Alright Here's Your 2012 Candidates............

[Warthogg]

BARRY OBAMA.......ON THE LEFT

MITT ROMNEY*.......ON THE uuhhh..left


WHO GETS YOUR VOTE ??

No write in candidates allowed.


Wart

*Perry done up and shot his feet off. Unless there's video of Mitt porking a Ft Worth sow he gets the Rethuglican - RINO nomination.

[old Grump]

Alan Keyes, I'll cut the hand off the man who tells me I can't have a write in.

[cevulirn]

In that case someone might just have to vote with .308 Winchester. What? I can't afford a .50!

Please note, this is a joke. I would likely take a path similar to the Old Grump up there.

[Full Otto]

In that case someone might just have to vote with .308 Winchester. What? I can't afford a .50!

Don't have much, but I'll pitch in a little

[El Jefe]

Way too early to give the nomination to Romney.

[Altarboy]

Loves me some Herman Cain. But you're probably right. Hold my nose and vote.

[El Jefe]

No reason not to like Mr Cain, great guy. But the odds of him getting the nomination are slim.

[Warthogg]

Alan Keyes, I'll cut the hand off the man who tells me I can't have a write in.


Unfortunately we are prohibited write-in votes here in Oklahoma. (Litigated and upheld by a Raygun appointed judge.)


Wart

[mriddick]

Looks like I'm voting same as I did in 2008....

[recon]

How did you vote?

[old Grump]

Unfortunately we are prohibited write-in votes here in Oklahoma. (Litigated and upheld by a Raygun appointed judge.)


Wart
Guess they wouldn't like my ballot in the Sooner state but it wouldn't change a thing as far as who I would vote for.

[FunkyPertwee]

Looks like I'm voting same as I did in 2008....

I may have to follow your path. I don't think I can stand to vote for another "McCain".

[Schuetzenman]

No reason not to like Mr Cain, great guy. But the odds of him getting the nomination are slim.

He would IMO be the best guy to put into the job. He understands business, budgets and believes in the US Constitution as passed / what it's orginial intent was.

[El Jefe]

He would IMO be the best guy to put into the job. He understands business, budgets and believes in the US Constitution as passed / what it's orginial intent was.

I won't argue with any of that, to varying degrees its all true. But, the job is much, much more complicated than that, and I personally have reservations about how the other 98% of the job would be handled by a novice such as Mr Cain.

Tho really, it's moot, he won't get the nomination anyway. I'm wondering if his real ambition isn't to get enough name recognition for the Veep spot or a slot in the cabinet?

[mriddick]

How did you vote?

For President, I didn't

[TEN-32]

I still like Sarah.

[ltorlo64]

Back to the original post, my number one priority is to get Obama out of office and prevent someone worse from obtaining it. Given that, I would vote for Romney and then stay informed and active so that he does not drift to the left of center. I believe that any Republican candidate will be more of a centrist anyway. The way the MSM reports on conservatives, or on actually on people who are not as liberal as they would like, I think this is the best we can hope for. But a centrist, who we can influence to lean even slightly to the right is much better than what we have now.

[Warthogg]

I don't think I can stand to vote for another "McCain".

Nor will I. Still feel dirty for voting for the last McCain.



Wart

[kuntryboy]

Back to the original post, my number one priority is to get Obama out of office and prevent someone worse from obtaining it. Given that, I would vote for Romney and then stay informed and active so that he does not drift to the left of center. I believe that any Republican candidate will be more of a centrist anyway. The way the MSM reports on conservatives, or on actually on people who are not as liberal as they would like, I think this is the best we can hope for. But a centrist, who we can influence to lean even slightly to the right is much better than what we have now.

agreed. bho has to go! i don't want four more years of eurocrat apolitics.

[Richard Simmons]

With Ginsburg getting close to 80 another term for Barry will likely assure a new liberal on the SCOTUS for the next 20+ years, especially with Obamacare likely headed to the SCOTUS for a ruling. IMHO Obama's last two SCOTUS appointments are potentially more damaging than Obamacare (if it's not found unconstitutional). We need a conservative in the white house but we also need to keep the House and if not take a majority in the Senate at least add more seats. If it comes down to it would a centrist Republican be better than Obama?

[Warthogg]

If it comes down to it would a centrist Republican be better than Obama?

Do you mean Mitt the RINO ??



Wart

[Richard Simmons]

Do you mean Mitt the RINO ??



Wart


I mean what I said. Taking all things into account, potential SCOTUS appointments, maybe winning more seats in the Senate or a majority, hopefully keeping a majority in the house but perhaps not, etc., would a Centrist Republican be better than four more years of Obama? From what I'm seeing posted by yourself and others, none of the potential candidates are worth a damn so they must not be "conservative" so centrist seemed like as good a term as another. Hanging a particular name out there is irrelevant to the question.

For the record I'm not saying I would or wouldn't prefer a Centrist to Obama, I'm just putting the question out there for discussion.

[Warthogg]

I mean what I said. Taking all things into account, potential SCOTUS appointments, maybe winning more seats in the Senate or a majority, hopefully keeping a majority in the house but perhaps not, etc., would a Centrist Republican be better than four more years of Obama? From what I'm seeing posted by yourself and others, none of the potential candidates are worth a damn so they must not be "conservative" so centrist seemed like as good a term as another. Hanging a particular name out there is irrelevant to the question.

For the record I'm not saying I would or wouldn't prefer a Centrist to Obama, I'm just putting the question out there for discussion.

I'm only asking if you consider Mitt a centrist ?? And a republican ??


Wart

[O.S.O.K.]

Alright, here's my "read" on the situation: people got all excited about Perry because he wasn't Mitt and seemed conservative/tea party - but, he's not.

So they're re-evaluating now and looking for another "not Romney" that will do.

And I'm liking Herman Cain too if no new conservatives step forward.

[Richard Simmons]

I'm only asking if you consider Mitt a centrist ?? And a republican ??


Wart

As far as being a Republican, that's the ticket he's running on so yes I consider him a Republican. Now, do I consider the term Republican as being synonymous with "conservative"? NO, I do not. At least not today, not for the last decade plus and probably not for the next decade to come.

As far as being a Centrist I would say, probably. He's obviously not a conservative, at least across the board but he's also not what I at least would call a liberal. Something in the middle perhaps so centrist if you will. But again. The question isn't/shouldn't be about Romney so if the term "centrist" is bothersome then let's just say "Would any of the Republicans running now be better than four more years of Obama"?

[Richard Simmons]

Alright, here's my "read" on the situation: people got all excited about Perry because he wasn't Mitt and seemed conservative/tea party - but, he's not.

So they're re-evaluating now and looking for another "not Romney" that will do.

And I'm liking Herman Cain too if no new conservatives step forward.

I would pretty much agree with the above. Whether it's the different polls or what ever, before Perry entered the race Romney looked like the person to beat and for one reason or another he also seemed like the most electable given the baggage some of the others have and or the fact that lots of "Republicans" aren't as conservative as they once were. There is no perfect candidate for "conservatives" yet, at least IMO and they might not be this election. Either a "better" candidate steps up soon, don't expect him/her to be prefect either, or Republicans, Conservatives and Independents have to get behind the best we have or it's four more years of Barry.

[ltorlo64]

I would pretty much agree with the above. Whether it's the different polls or what ever, before Perry entered the race Romney looked like the person to beat and for one reason or another he also seemed like the most electable given the baggage some of the others have and or the fact that lots of "Republicans" aren't as conservative as they once were. There is no perfect candidate for "conservatives" yet, at least IMO and they might not be this election. Either a "better" candidate steps up soon, don't expect him/her to be prefect either, or Republicans, Conservatives and Independents have to get behind the best we have or it's four more years of Barry.

This is my point as well. The liberals (Democrats) don't get their perfect candidate either, but they are more willing to compromise on their beliefs to acheive the goal of moving our country from a free society to a socialist state. Conservatives need to start thinking this way so that we move from the socialist state we are becoming and back towards a free society.

This takes work though. We can't just elect a centrist and then leave them to their own devices. We need to keep after them, show them we are watching and remind them that freedom and liberty are what make this country great. This is what will push us back towards the right.

[Schuetzenman]

I won't argue with any of that, to varying degrees its all true. But, the job is much, much more complicated than that, and I personally have reservations about how the other 98% of the job would be handled by a novice such as Mr Cain.

Tho really, it's moot, he won't get the nomination anyway. I'm wondering if his real ambition isn't to get enough name recognition for the Veep spot or a slot in the cabinet?

How well has Obama handled the majority of the job, (the part not standing and reading from a teleprompter)? You don't salvage two national chain restaurants from bankruptcy and not know now to; analyze, organize and prioritize.

The other part is that thanks to Obama the notion of a Black Man being able to be POTUS is now stereotyped as equaling; failure mode, incompetent, not smart enough to do the job.

[Warthogg]

"Would any of the Republicans running now be better than four more years of Obama"?

I do wish a resounding YES leaped into my mind.


Wart

[El Jefe]

How well has Obama handled the majority of the job, (the part not standing and reading from a teleprompter)? You don't salvage two national chain restaurants from bankruptcy and not know now to; analyze, organize and prioritize.

The other part is that thanks to Obama the notion of a Black Man being able to be POTUS is now stereotyped as equaling; failure mode, incompetent, not smart enough to do the job.

As I've said repeatedly, Obama is a fucking disaster. I'm not down on Cain, I just have doubts about his readiness to run the country. Sorry.

[Schuetzenman]

As I've said repeatedly, Obama is a fucking disaster. I'm not down on Cain, I just have doubts about his readiness to run the country. Sorry.

Frankly I have doubts about almost anybody I can think of that's in this race as a candidate. It is a BIG job and the country is in major FUBAR mode. I look at all the candidates and I'm sure any of them could do a better job than Obama. That said I don't think most of them can come up with a way to fix the financial side of this country that is so screwed up. Cain otoh has fixed two large multi million dollar restaurant chains spread across most of the US with thousands of employees. That experience to me seems the most relevant achievement on a resume for any of the Republican candidates. IMO we don't need slick political deal makers like Romeny, Perry or Newt.

Cain has been a Fair Tax guy and now he has his own 9,9,9 plan. I'd be happy with either one over what we currently have. Either would sure streamline reporting for corporations and put the US in a very advantageous light for businesses to relocate here.

Just shot him an email from his web site specifically asking about his stance on the 2nd Amendment. Now to see how long it takes to get it answered.

[ltorlo64]

Just shot him an email from his web site specifically asking about his stance on the 2nd Amendment. Now to see how long it takes to get it answered.

I would be very interested in the answer. Please let us know what the reply is.

[old Grump]

By Ian Millhiser (http://thinkprogress.org/author/ian-m/) on Jun 10, 2011 at 6:00 pm
In an interview with CNN’s Wolf Blitzer earlier this week, former pizza executive and GOP presidential candidate Herman Cain took a surprisingly liberal view on gun contro (http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/herman-cain-gun-control-a-states-issue-huh/)l:

BLITIZER: Let’s talk about gun control. Do you support any gun control?
CAIN: I support the Second Amendment.
BLITZER: So you don’t? What’s the answer on gun control?
CAIN: The answer on gun control is I support, strongly support, the Second Amendment. I don’t support onerous legislation that’s going to restrict people’s rights in order to be able to protect themselves as guaranteed by the Second Amendment.
BLITZER: Should states or local governments be allowed to the gun situation . . .
CAIN: Yes
BLITZER: So the answer is yes?
CAIN: Yes. The answer is yes, that should be a state’s decision.


http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2011/06/10/242793/anti-gun-herman-cain/Thought I mentioned it in my post, he is pro gun and pro states rights so he isn't completely clean on the issue but better than most.