Hate Crimes Against Jews and Muslims....

[Warthogg]

10 times more hate crimes against Jews than Muslims in US. (2010)

(Just heard on O'Reilly with Bernie Goldberg.)


Wart

[Kadmos]

Hrumpff, tell me something I don't know.


Religious bias 2010

Hate crimes motivated by religious bias accounted for 1,409 offenses reported by law enforcement. A breakdown of the bias motivation of religious-bias offenses showed:

* 65.4 percent were anti-Jewish.
* 13.2 percent were anti-Islamic.
* 9.5 percent were anti-other religion, i.e., those not specified.
* 4.3 percent were anti-Catholic.
* 3.8 percent were anti-multiple religions, group.
* 3.3 percent were anti-Protestant.
* 0.5 percent were anti-Atheism/Agnosticism/etc.


Interesting, if you look back at the earliest data the FBI has 1996, out of 1,401 religiously biased incidents

1,109 were anti-Jewish
27 were anti-Islamic

Just to give that some perspective, in 1996 there were 5,396 hate crimes based on race,

3,674 were anti black
1,106 were anti white.

That means in 1996 roughly the same amount of white people were victims of anti white hate crime and jews were of anti jewish hate crime..actually 3 more anti jewish hate crimes

But consider the population

223,553,265 white people (72.4% of population)

5,275,000 Jewish people (1.7% of population)

[Schuetzenman]

You're kidding right? Your stat that there is only 5.275 million Jewish peoples in the entire USA seems way too small. The stat that says more Jews are hate crimed than muzzies does not surprise me. I'd like to see that stat flopped into reverse as budding terrorists need to get their asses beat down.

[mriddick]

To be fair wart is probably just braggin his brethern are doing such a good job of keeping the numbers up :)

As far as the number of white hate crimes, I think it's pretty tough to get any crime against whites labeled as a hate crime as well as the varying degrees of what counts as a hate crime to some groups. Lets face it someone paints a swasika on a school wall and it's a hate crime, some white teenagers get beat just short of death for walking in a black neighborhood and it's simple assault. I'm not saying painting swasika's isn't a hate crime but there are alot of cases where people are attacked for being simply what they are that don't seem to make the list.

I think you'd really have to look at the cases on the list in much greater depth then just these raw numbers to get anything truly useful out of them.

[Krupski]

10 times more hate crimes against Jews than Muslims in US. (2010)

(Just heard on O'Reilly with Bernie Goldberg.)


Wart


I dunno. Given a choice, I'd rather bash muzzies... :)

[LAGC]

It really is a shame how badly Jews get scapegoated. Not just now, but historically as well. The fact that many of the prominent bankers and "money-changers" clear back from medieval times happened to be traveling Jews caused them to be broad-brushed and stereotyped as a whole group for the "sins" of the few.

I can understand having a natural distrust of bankers charging exorbitant amounts of interest and making obscene amounts of money off people's desperation in borrowing money, but its silly to blame all Jews for it, most of whom aren't even in that profession any more.

Of course, the current state of Israel's heavy-handed tactics hasn't helped any, but for most of the Jews living abroad, they have no part in Israel's policies, so they really shouldn't be blamed. It's scary to think that Jews as a whole might become mass-victims again if really tough times hit, because people naturally look for some group to blame all of society's ills on, and there's plenty of underground literature blaming the Jews for everything.

[Warthogg]

You're kidding right? Your stat that there is only 5.275 million Jewish peoples in the entire USA seems way too small. The stat that says more Jews are hate crimed than muzzies does not surprise me. I'd like to see that stat flopped into reverse as budding terrorists need to get their asses beat down.

Here we go...

Wart






Countries with Largest Jewish Populations


2010
Rank

Country

Jews

% of World Jewish Population
1 Israel 5,703,700 42.5%
2 United States 5,275,000 39.3%
3 France 483,500 3.6%
4 Canada 375,000 2.8%
5 United Kingdom 292,000 2.2%
6 Russia 205,000 1.5%
7 Argentina 182,300 1.4%
8 Germany 119,000 0.9%
9 Australia 107,500 0.8%
10 Brazil 95,600 0.7%
11 Ukraine 71,500 0.5%
12 South Africa 70,800 0.5%
13 Hungary 48,600 0.4%
14 Mexico 39,400 0.3%
15 Belgium 30,300 0.2%


http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Judaism/jewpop.html


I had thought about 7 million in the US.

[Warthogg]

To be fair wart is probably just braggin his brethern are doing such a good job of keeping the numbers up :)

As far as the number of white hate crimes, I think it's pretty tough to get any crime against whites labeled as a hate crime as well as the varying degrees of what counts as a hate crime to some groups. Lets face it someone paints a swasika on a school wall and it's a hate crime, some white teenagers get beat just short of death for walking in a black neighborhood and it's simple assault. I'm not saying painting swasika's isn't a hate crime but there are alot of cases where people are attacked for being simply what they are that don't seem to make the list.

I think you'd really have to look at the cases on the list in much greater depth then just these raw numbers to get anything truly useful out of them.


To be fair wart is probably just braggin his brethern are doing such a good job of keeping the numbers up :)


Not worthy of a response.


As far as the number of white hate crimes, I think it's pretty tough to get any crime against whites labeled as a hate crime as well as the varying degrees of what counts as a hate crime to some groups. Lets face it someone paints a swasika on a school wall and it's a hate crime, some white teenagers get beat just short of death for walking in a black neighborhood and it's simple assault. I'm not saying painting swasika's isn't a hate crime but there are alot of cases where people are attacked for being simply what they are that don't seem to make the list.


I think this 'hate crime' bidness is mostly bullshit. If a black homosexual is beaten senseless by two white dirt-bags, tied to the back bumper of their pickem-up truck and drug until dead, that's murder. Since this actually happened in Texas that means the doers are likely to have a date with the needle. After convicting them of murder and executing their sorry asses what does charging this scum with a hate crime bring to the table ??


Wart

[Kadmos]

To be fair wart is probably just braggin his brethern are doing such a good job of keeping the numbers up :)

As far as the number of white hate crimes, I think it's pretty tough to get any crime against whites labeled as a hate crime as well as the varying degrees of what counts as a hate crime to some groups. Lets face it someone paints a swasika on a school wall and it's a hate crime, some white teenagers get beat just short of death for walking in a black neighborhood and it's simple assault. I'm not saying painting swasika's isn't a hate crime but there are alot of cases where people are attacked for being simply what they are that don't seem to make the list.

I think you'd really have to look at the cases on the list in much greater depth then just these raw numbers to get anything truly useful out of them.

I think you make a good point, my guess would be the bulk of hate crimes with a religious bias would be property crimes, vandalism and such, with a few incidents of assault.

Whereas crimes with a racial bias would tend more towards violence, particularly anti-white crimes. There really aren't many ways to express anti-white hatred though vandalism. I suppose someone could paint "honkey" or "KKK" on someone's property, but I doubt that happens nearly as often as say a burning cross in the yard, a noose slung over a tree or painting nigger on someones property.

Another thing that might be a factor though is the way the group perceives police, for a minor defacement a black may just paint over something, or wash it off and forget about it, whereas a jew would almost certainly call the police and thus generate a report.

[Schuetzenman]

Here we go...

Wart





I had thought about 7 million in the US.

Frankly I'd of thought more like 20 ish million. Damn Kadmos, you Jewis folk need to get fucking!

[Kadmos]

Frankly I'd of thought more like 20 ish million. Damn Kadmos, you Jewis folk need to get fucking!

Well, I know I could stand to do some! lol



To be honest the real trouble, in America at least, is marrying outside the faith.

For my family of my generation there were 4 boys and 1 girl, only one married a Jew, me, and we had no kids. My daughter is from a previous um..thing. She's basically agnostic but like to joke that she is half Jewish half Irish (actually French, but her step-grandfather has an Irish name)

Two of the other boys have either decided not to have kids or just aren't likely to. My brother and his wife don't want kids, one cousin isn't likely to marry

My other male cousin has 3 kids with his non-Jewish wife who had them baptized (as what exactly I'm not sure).

The female cousin has two boys, with her non Jewish husband but has raised them Jewish.

So, from five we are down to 2 1/2 Jews

Not exactly a gain. I hear similar stories from a lot of other families. Obviously it's more important to some than others, and while I'm not going to say who should marry who, I do find it kinda sad.

[Warthogg]

Well, I know I could stand to do some! lol



To be honest the real trouble, in America at least, is marrying outside the faith.

For my family of my generation there were 4 boys and 1 girl, only one married a Jew, me, and we had no kids. My daughter is from a previous um..thing. She's basically agnostic but like to joke that she is half Jewish half Irish (actually French, but her step-grandfather has an Irish name)

Two of the other boys have either decided not to have kids or just aren't likely to. My brother and his wife don't want kids, one cousin isn't likely to marry

My other male cousin has 3 kids with his non-Jewish wife who had them baptized (as what exactly I'm not sure).

The female cousin has two boys, with her non Jewish husband but has raised them Jewish.

So, from five we are down to 2 1/2 Jews

Not exactly a gain. I hear similar stories from a lot of other families. Obviously it's more important to some than others, and while I'm not going to say who should marry who, I do find it kinda sad.

A couple of years back the Rabbi in Dothan, Alabama was paying Jews to move to Dothan.

Probably Israel's primary threat is internal from the roughly 20% of the population that is non-Jewish. That portion of the population continues to have kids at a rapid rate while the Jewish 80% is......well not fucking enough.


Wart

[Schuetzenman]

Well, I know I could stand to do some! lol



To be honest the real trouble, in America at least, is marrying outside the faith.

For my family of my generation there were 4 boys and 1 girl, only one married a Jew, me, and we had no kids. My daughter is from a previous um..thing. She's basically agnostic but like to joke that she is half Jewish half Irish (actually French, but her step-grandfather has an Irish name)

Two of the other boys have either decided not to have kids or just aren't likely to. My brother and his wife don't want kids, one cousin isn't likely to marry

My other male cousin has 3 kids with his non-Jewish wife who had them baptized (as what exactly I'm not sure).

The female cousin has two boys, with her non Jewish husband but has raised them Jewish.

So, from five we are down to 2 1/2 Jews

Not exactly a gain. I hear similar stories from a lot of other families. Obviously it's more important to some than others, and while I'm not going to say who should marry who, I do find it kinda sad.

I know that Jewish lineage is counted from the mothers side traditionally. Yes it is kind of sad because at that rate the ethnic genotype will be blended out of existance eventually.

[American Rage]

I expect it to get much worse for the jews in America, ditto for the christians.

The left hates religion with a passion, especially the jews and christians. So much so that they have made alliances with the muzzies. Ironically, the socialists are so stupid that they think that they can lure the muzzies from islam. I strongly suspect islam has other plans. Throw in the fact that the latino movement basis all of their complaints for "a right of return" on the Palestinian argument means more hate on the jews here in the US of A.

But then again, 25-30 years ago, one of the newsmags at the time had an article that said muslims were encouraging other muslims to immigrate to the US to offset the jewish vote. I've watched the muzzies pour into the country since then, and the hatred toward jews in America seems to ratchet up yearly.

We're all in for a rough ride.

[LAGC]

Ironically, the socialists are so stupid that they think that they can lure the muzzies from islam.

Dude, we already have. Muslims here in America as MUCH more liberal and tame compared to their conservative Middle East counter-parts. Hardly any of the women even wear head-scarves any more. A little bit of secular love goes a long way to take the bite out of religion. In the end, Islam will be just as watered down and tame as Judaism and Christianity are in America today. I mean, really, who takes the Old Testament literally any more? NO ONE. Except maybe the Westboro idiots.

Sure there are the occasional hard-core religious extremists, but they are the exception, not the rule. American muzzies are all bark and no bite. It's funny watching the Christian fundamentalists froth at the mouths over them. The more religious diversity we have the better. The sooner more people wake up and rise above all religions, once they see how despite all their differences, they are really all the same. Smoke and mirrors.

[old Grump]

Maybe we need more peace loving Muslims like these lovely ladies"


http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Ne...9#.Ts3CTrIk6sp (http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/150029#.Ts3CTrIk6sp)


Five Muslim Moroccan girls in Belgium beat a 13-year-old classmate, called her a "dirty Jew” and told her to "return to your country.”

The girl, Oceane Sluijzer, has filed a complaint with police after the anti-Semitic attack at a sports training center. The attackers were identified and questioned by police.

Jewish legislator Viviane Teitelbaum of Brussels denounced the "silence" of political leaders and most of media after this attack.
Gosh I wonder why they thought they had the right to tell another that she should go back to her country when her family was probably there generations before the lovely little Muslim ladies. Correct me if I am wrong but don't the Muslims claim that Israel is trespassing on the land that they stole from the Jews 1500 years ago?

[insider]

The Jews better start humping like crazy, or they will die out as a race. They need to move out of the war zone, and live somewhere they can breed. The muzzies have taken over Dearborn, let the Jews take over Detroit and turn that shit hole into a paradise.

[Izzy]

I mean, really, who takes the Old Testament literally any more? NO ONE. Except maybe the Westboro idiots.


So those who continue to hold fast to the Torah are "Idiots"? Nice "secular love" LAGC.


Anyone who beleives in an Omipotent G-D, should understand time is RELATIVE ( not fixed)...creation could have been done in six muniutes if G-d had chosen, let alone six days. ( e.g. That the creator could have used a compresssion of the time-line to make what would appear to take "X" billions of years take in actuality only six days.

( an example only for those for those who believe in "evolutionary" or neo-darwin type theories of creation).

Secondy, the secret of true science is in knowing that MOST theories are ultimately proven WRONG over time. :smiley09: Look at how radiocarbon dating theory is now being dismantled:


"This is exactly what has been noticed in recent years; the decay rates of radioactive elements are changing. This is especially mysterious as we are talking about elements with "constant" decay rates -- these values aren't supposed to change. School textbooks teach us this from an early age.


This is the conclusion that researchers from Stanford and Purdue University have arrived at, but the only explanation they have is even weirder than the phenomenon itself: The sun might be emitting a previously unknown particle that is meddling with the decay rates of matter. Or, at the very least, we are seeing some new physics."

http://news.discovery.com/space/is-the-sun-emitting-a-mystery-particle.html




let the Jews take over Detroit and turn that shit hole into a paradise.


AFAIK Metro detroit has a large ORTHODOX Jewish population ( Oak Park , Southfield, Bloomington Hills Etc.), last I heard it was about ( or over ) 50% of the jewish population there are Orthodox and having large families( vs. conservative an reform).

The Benai Yisrael ( "children of Israel") [aka Shivtai Yisrael ( "tribes of Israel") Aka "Jews" ( Judah)] are not going to die out. What is happening is the less commited are intermarying, and the more committed are breeding. In 50 years, if nothing changes, there will be a much higher percentage of G-D fearing "Jews" ( judites and other tribes).

[LAGC]

So those who continue to hold fast to the Torah are "Idiots"? Nice "secular love" LAGC.

Only those who read it 100% literally or think its the infallible truth. It's always fun asking the zealots how Noah managed to fit all the dinosaurs onto the Ark. T-Rexes, brontosaurs, velociraptors, and all. The responses and mental contortions are pure comedy gold! :laugh:


Anyone who beleives in an Omipotent G-D, should understand time is RELATIVE ( not fixed)...creation could have been done in six muniutes if G-d had chosen, let alone six days. ( e.g. That the creator could have used a compresssion of the time-line to make what would appear to take "X" billions of years take in actuality only six days.

Okay, so you already admit you don't take the Old Testament literally. Days are really billions of years, so you say. Fair enough. What about the supposed order of creation? Do you really believe the Earth was created first (Genesis 1:2) and the sun and stars came after (Genesis 1:16)? Science has pretty much destroyed that idea -- the stars came about long before the planets formed around them in orbit. The moon didn't come about until later.


Secondy, the secret of true science is in knowing that MOST theories are ultimately proven WRONG over time. :smiley09: Look at how radiocarbon dating theory is now being dismantled:


"This is exactly what has been noticed in recent years; the decay rates of radioactive elements are changing. This is especially mysterious as we are talking about elements with "constant" decay rates -- these values aren't supposed to change. School textbooks teach us this from an early age.


This is the conclusion that researchers from Stanford and Purdue University have arrived at, but the only explanation they have is even weirder than the phenomenon itself: The sun might be emitting a previously unknown particle that is meddling with the decay rates of matter. Or, at the very least, we are seeing some new physics."

http://news.discovery.com/space/is-the-sun-emitting-a-mystery-particle.html

The cool thing about science is that its constantly tweaking itself and improving itself. It offers falsifiable hypotheses which can be measured and tested against to see if it stands up to scrutiny. The longer a hypothesis lasts, the more likely it is to become an accepted theory. The Theory of Gravity, the Theory of Evolution. Many diverse scientific fields which all testify to their veracity.

You can't say the same about religion. The only way for religion to adapt is for people to quit taking it as seriously and literally, and re-interpreting their scriptures to jive with what science has taught us about how the world really works.

[Kadmos]

Only those who read it 100% literally or think its the infallible truth. It's always fun asking the zealots how Noah managed to fit all the dinosaurs onto the Ark. T-Rexes, brontosaurs, velociraptors, and all. The responses and mental contortions are pure comedy gold! :laugh:


That's an easy one, he didn't let them on, that's why they aren't around anymore, some goes for griffins, minotaurs, unicorns, and pegasi...er...pegasuses?

My real issue with Genesis as a kid wasn't that stuff, it was why god needed to rest after only 6 days of work. I'm mean, it's god right, he couldn't have pushed through another day of work. And then, if you think about it from one perspective he worked those six days and didn't just rest on the 7th, but actually may have rested for hundreds or thousands of years. It really doesn't say he went back to work on the 8th day.

[Warthogg]

Quote Originally Posted by Izzy View Post
So those who continue to hold fast to the Torah are "Idiots"? Nice "secular love" LAGC.



Quote Originally Posted by LAGC View Post
Only those who read it 100% literally or think its the infallible truth.


Being a believer/religious is mostly about faith LAGC. I'm not faithful to any religion - don't believe in any prophets - but I am a deep believer in God.


Wart

[shorthair]

Now I know why GOD gave man work...for fools like Liberals to stay off the web.

[Kadmos]

Now I know why GOD gave man work...for fools like Liberals to stay off the web.

It didn't work.

[shorthair]

Yea. :laugh:

[LAGC]

That's an easy one, he didn't let them on, that's why they aren't around anymore, some goes for griffins, minotaurs, unicorns, and pegasi...er...pegasuses?

Well, we don't have fossil evidence for minotaurs, unicorns, griffins, etc. But I do find it odd that if the Bible was really inspired by God, there would be no mention of dinosaurs at all? I mean, its almost as if ignorant Bronze Age desert dwellers wrote the Bible, surely nothing God himself would have over-looked. I mean, if the Bible had ANY modern knowledge at all, like say revelations about calculus or other advanced mathematical discoveries, THAT would be truly miraculous and maybe even be enough for me to believe it was inspired by God.


My real issue with Genesis as a kid wasn't that stuff, it was why god needed to rest after only 6 days of work. I'm mean, it's god right, he couldn't have pushed through another day of work. And then, if you think about it from one perspective he worked those six days and didn't just rest on the 7th, but actually may have rested for hundreds or thousands of years. It really doesn't say he went back to work on the 8th day.

That's what I don't get. I mean, if there really is a living, thinking God, what the fuck has he/she/it/they been up to for the past 13.7 billion years? I mean, here he/she/it/they just pops into existence (somehow), does his/her/its/their magic setting the Big Bang into motion, then for all intents and purposes, implements a completely hands-off approach and lets the universe function by itself on its own?

Why aren't we constantly seeing new things popping into existence? Why did God stop making things?

Maybe if God really did exist in the beginning, he exists no longer?

Things that make you go "Hmm....."

:think2:

[Krupski]

The cool thing about science is that its constantly tweaking itself and improving itself. It offers falsifiable hypotheses which can be measured and tested against to see if it stands up to scrutiny.

What I can't understand is why religious nuts poo-poo "science" so much.

If God said "Let there be light" does that mean He poofed the Sun into existence, or does it mean He created hydrogen and over billions of years it's gravitation collapsed clouds into stars and, then, according to God's wish... "there was light"?

If God "created life in His image" does that mean he poofed life into existence instantly, or did He invent DNA and allow certain elements to come together and form the first primitive life which EVOLVED into the form God wanted?

There is NOTHING in "science" that disproves anything about God. Some of it merely explains how God's inventions work. And the "proof" of God is all around. Just look in the sky. Look at a newborn baby. God is everywhere in plain sight.

[Krupski]

It didn't work.:yeah:

[Kadmos]

Well, we don't have fossil evidence for minotaurs, unicorns, griffins, etc. But I do find it odd that if the Bible was really inspired by God, there would be no mention of dinosaurs at all?

Well for starters unicorns, and griffins turn into dust when killed, even little kids know that ;)

As to dinosaurs being mentioned, well...


Book of Job, chapter 40

Behold now behemoth, which I made with thee; he eateth grass as an ox.

Lo now, his strength is in his loins, and his force is in the navel of his belly.

He moveth his tail like a cedar: the sinews of his stones are wrapped together.

His bones are as strong pieces of brass; his bones are like bars of iron.

...Behold, he drinketh up a river, and hasteth not: he trusteth that he can draw up the Jordan into his mouth.

That's actually not a bad description of several species of dinosaur.

[El Jefe]

Well, we don't have fossil evidence for minotaurs, unicorns, griffins, etc. But I do find it odd that if the Bible was really inspired by God, there would be no mention of dinosaurs at all? I mean, its almost as if ignorant Bronze Age desert dwellers wrote the Bible, surely nothing God himself would have over-looked. I mean, if the Bible had ANY modern knowledge at all, like say revelations about calculus or other advanced mathematical discoveries, THAT would be truly miraculous and maybe even be enough for me to believe it was inspired by God.



That's what I don't get. I mean, if there really is a living, thinking God, what the fuck has he/she/it/they been up to for the past 13.7 billion years? I mean, here he/she/it/they just pops into existence (somehow), does his/her/its/their magic setting the Big Bang into motion, then for all intents and purposes, implements a completely hands-off approach and lets the universe function by itself on its own?

Why aren't we constantly seeing new things popping into existence? Why did God stop making things?

Maybe if God really did exist in the beginning, he exists no longer?

Things that make you go "Hmm....."

:think2:

You don't understand what the book is for.

[El Jefe]

What I can't understand is why religious nuts poo-poo "science" so much.

If God said "Let there be light" does that mean He poofed the Sun into existence, or does it mean He created hydrogen and over billions of years it's gravitation collapsed clouds into stars and, then, according to God's wish... "there was light"?

If God "created life in His image" does that mean he poofed life into existence instantly, or did He invent DNA and allow certain elements to come together and form the first primitive life which EVOLVED into the form God wanted?

There is NOTHING in "science" that disproves anything about God. Some of it merely explains how God's inventions work. And the "proof" of God is all around. Just look in the sky. Look at a newborn baby. God is everywhere in plain sight.

This actually not true. Most Christians that I personally know, have no issue with science, it's just that they don't worship it like some people do. But go ahead and throw stereotypes around if you must. :)