What have we learned in 2,066 years?

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What have we learned in 2,066 years?



"The budget should be balanced, the Treasury should be refilled,
public debt should be reduced, the arrogance of officialdom should be
tempered and controlled, and the assistance to foreign lands should
be curtailed lest Rome become bankrupt. People must again learn to
work, instead of living on public assistance."

- Cicero - 55 BC


So, evidently, ..........nothing.

[mriddick]

Could it be we have a little over 520 years before the collapse?

[El Laton Caliente]

Naw, things happen faster these days...

[l921428x]

My thought is nothing. Look to the past, it can lead the future......

[Kadmos]

Yep same old ideas, same old problems.

On the other hand though, Cicero was a lawyer, philosopher, and politician, born of the Equestrian Order...so it's not likely he ever exactly did a hard day's work himself ;)

[l921428x]

Weird, for some today, thinking is the hardest thing they have to do.

[Cypher]

If that's a real quote I find it amazing.

[5.56NATO]

Gilbert:
We got around to the subject of war again and I said that, contrary to his
attitude, I did not think that the common people are very thankful for
leaders who bring them war and destruction.

Goering:
"Why, of course, the people don't want war," Goering shrugged. "Why would
some poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best that
he can get out of it is to come back to his farm in one piece. Naturally,
the common people don't want war; neither in Russia nor in England nor in
America, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after
all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is
always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy
or a fascist dictatorship or a Parliament or a Communist dictatorship."

Gilbert:
"There is one difference," I pointed out. "In a democracy the people have
some say in the matter through their elected representatives, and in the
United States only Congress can declare wars."

Goering:
"Oh, that is all well and good, but, voice or no voice, the people can
always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you
have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists
for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the
same way in any country."

[Warthogg]

Gilbert:
We got around to the subject of war again and I said that, contrary to his
attitude, I did not think that the common people are very thankful for
leaders who bring them war and destruction.

Goering:
"Why, of course, the people don't want war," Goering shrugged. "Why would
some poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best that
he can get out of it is to come back to his farm in one piece. Naturally,
the common people don't want war; neither in Russia nor in England nor in
America, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after
all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is
always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy
or a fascist dictatorship or a Parliament or a Communist dictatorship."

Gilbert:
"There is one difference," I pointed out. "In a democracy the people have
some say in the matter through their elected representatives, and in the
United States only Congress can declare wars."

Goering:
"Oh, that is all well and good, but, voice or no voice, the people can
always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you
have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists
for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the
same way in any country."

I've not before seen these quotes before but can find nothing with which to disagree.


Wart



Görings last days were spent with Gustave Gilbert, a German-speaking intelligence officer and psychologist who was granted free access by the Allies to all the prisoners held in the Nuremberg jail. Gilbert kept a journal of his observations of the proceedings and his conversations with the prisoners, which he later published in the book Nuremberg Diary.

http://enominepatris.com/politics/goering.htm


Had I read the quotes without attribution to Goering, I would have thought these were the remarks of Paul Joseph Goebbels, Reich Minister of Propaganda

[Warthogg]

If that's a real quote I find it amazing.

Real.


Wart

[Cypher]

Real.


Wart

Kind of makes you lose hope for the future.

[gpwasr10]

Kind of makes you lose hope for the future.

Nah man, here the governed could always retake the country from a corrupt government.

[Warthogg]

Nah man, here the governed could always retake the country from a corrupt government.

"could" ?? Yes but that would require a tremendous will on the part of the governed.


Wart

[Cypher]

"could" ?? Yes but that would require a tremendous will on the part of the governed.


Wart

As a whole I don't think this country has it in it to do anything ground breaking to make schanges in the government.

[dishman]

As a whole I don't think this country has it in it to do anything ground breaking to make schanges in the government.

my thoughts are that 10-20% want nothing more then this countries collapse..another 20% are cheering them on(libtards)and then we are left with the hardworking folks paying for the 40% that are against us.
problem is that those that are actually working and paying taxes(towards our downfall)are too damn busy to notice or if they do..have neither the time nor inclination to do anything but put their heads down and keep at the grindstone.
i dont see a bright future at this rate..i really believe in american exceptionalism..but all the exceptional people are so damn busy trying to survive..the ones sucking us dry have nothing but time.