North Carolina will culturally be ruined in 10 years or so.

[was_peacemaker]

In May we are having a special election to vote for or against a amendment that would ban gay marriage. Recent polls show that the amendment would fail. Also recent polls show that NC voters would recognize gay legal unions. This means NC would be the only southern state without an amendment in the state constitution to define marriage.

That also means all those liberal gays will flock here for the low cost of living. The next domino to this would be the politics that they bring and in 10 years NC is the next Massachusetts, New Jersey, New York, or Maryland. Once the liberal northern gays flock here...NC will become a base for liberal operations in the south! The commies, unions, environmental wackos will come. Look out SC, VA, TN, GA! This is how the left is going to destroy the conservative south, and get their anti-gun tree hugging politics pushed south of the Mason-Dixon line!

[LAGC]

Like it or not, gay marriage is coming to every state before long. The trend for the past 20 years has been steady erosion of opposition to gay marriage:

http://sas-origin.onstreammedia.com/origin/gallupinc/GallupSpaces/Production/Cms/POLL/vqf79nrpfewws7ibh-1u-q.gif

That's not just the non-religious behind that trend, but mainline Christianity is becoming more liberal and tolerant as well.

But the same trend over the past 20 years is also more tolerance for gun rights. So I'm not too worried.

Pro-gay and pro-gun America. I can live with that.

[was_peacemaker]

Actually 30 states have constitutional amendments banning gay marriage. The issue is that gays tend to be uber-liberal and that usually translates to anti-gun.

[LAGC]

Actually 30 states have constitutional amendments banning gay marriage. The issue is that gays tend to be uber-liberal and that usually translates to anti-gun.

Maybe if the conservatives would quit hating on the gays, they wouldn't default to being so liberal. ;)

[was_peacemaker]

Maybe if the conservatives would quit hating on the gays, they wouldn't default to being so liberal. ;)

Are you in an area where there are many gays? I am near a large east coast art school and various colleges and universities that are very liberal. LAGC if you yourself saw day in and day out what gay culture is all about...then I think you would change your mind. They typically are a STD ridden self-centered, pessimistic, drug using drama queens. They can ruin a work place, and cause plenty of discourse because they have to shove their "victimization card" around.

I have worked places were gays push the limit and if you say something to them...they through up the "victim card" even when they know they are in the wrong. I have never been around many that weren't seeking attention and trying to throw crap in peoples faces.

[LAGC]

Well, I think you may be stereotyping based on particular anecdotal accounts you may have experienced.

Truth is, we ALL live around LGBT people. They make up fully 10% of any given population naturally, even if many of them aren't out of the closet yet. So I imagine you've been around many more than you realize, they just don't identify themselves as being "that way", so they've flown under the radar so to speak.

I have two cousins (one male and one female) who are gay, they've never been "in your face" about their sexual orientation. I've also worked in corporate settings where gays were welcomed, with pro-gay diversity posters plastered all over the place. Never noticed any problems.

If two men (or two women) want to tie the knot, they should have just as much equal right to do so as those of the opposite sex. It really is ridiculous how many social conservatives want to keep treating them like second-class citizens, and then they wonder why they don't tend to vote Republican. :rolleyes:

[was_peacemaker]

Well, I think you may be stereotyping based on particular anecdotal accounts you may have experienced.

Truth is, we ALL live around LGBT people. They make up fully 10% of any given population naturally, even if many of them aren't out of the closet yet. So I imagine you've been around many more than you realize, they just don't identify themselves as being "that way", so they've flown under the radar so to speak.

I have two cousins (one male and one female) who are gay, they've never been "in your face" about their sexual orientation. I've also worked in corporate settings where gays were welcomed, with pro-gay diversity posters plastered all over the place. Never noticed any problems.

If two men (or two women) want to tie the knot, they should have just as much equal right to do so as those of the opposite sex. It really is ridiculous how many social conservatives want to keep treating them like second-class citizens, and then they wonder why they don't tend to vote Republican. :rolleyes:


I think the numbers speak for themselves. MSM are men who have sex with men.

"CDC estimates that MSM account for just 2% of the US population, but accounted for 61% of all new HIV infections in 2009. MSM accounted for 49% of people living with HIV infection in 2008 (the most recent year prevalence data are available)."

http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/resources/factsheets/us.htm

[LAGC]

I think the numbers speak for themselves. MSM are men who have sex with men.

"CDC estimates that MSM account for just 2% of the US population, but accounted for 61% of all new HIV infections in 2009. MSM accounted for 49% of people living with HIV infection in 2008 (the most recent year prevalence data are available)."

http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/resources/factsheets/us.htm

Why focus on male homosexuals? Lesbians are very unlikely to contract HIV, since it usually transmits through anal sex. So what's your point?

Good reason for all folks to practice safe sex. Too bad many conservatives are against sex education and free condom distribution to teenagers.

And scientists are on the verge of finding a cure for HIV, by the way. What will the anti-gay folks fret about next?

[was_peacemaker]

Why focus on male homosexuals? Lesbians are very unlikely to contract HIV, since it usually transmits through anal sex. So what's your point?

Good reason for all folks to practice safe sex. Too bad many conservatives are against sex education and free condom distribution to teenagers.

And scientists are on the verge of finding a cure for HIV, by the way. What will the anti-gay folks fret about next?

"Lesbian and bisexual women reported significantly higher lifetime rates of ecstasy, cocaine, methamphetamine, and LSD use compared to heterosexual women. These data suggest a need to better understand the influence of sexual orientation and sexual culture in relation to club drug use and to tailor health promotion efforts to meet the needs of various groups of club drug using women." http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2688448/

[LAGC]

Again, I fail to see your point.

Equal rights shouldn't be denied to an entire class of people just because a minority engage in risky behavior.

It would be like saying all white males should be locked up because most sex predators are white males.

[mriddick]

IMO the question should be is it good for society, then if it is deemed to be so then simply pay for the extra costs and be done with it.

[5.56NATO]

Marriage has always been between a man and a woman. Anything else is just that, something else. Next they'll try to get it legislated that all must agree the sky is green and the grass is blue.

[LAGC]

IMO the question should be is it good for society, then if it is deemed to be so then simply pay for the extra costs and be done with it.

Well, I know what's not good for society. That's the number of LGBT youth who commit suicide every day because they are bullied, harassed, or told they are "evil" for being who they are.

The extra costs associated with expanding marriage benefits to more people is more than mitigated by the eventual decrease in teen suicides, I would think.

[mriddick]

Well, I know what's not good for society. That's the number of LGBT youth who commit suicide every day because they are bullied, harassed, or told they are "evil" for being who they are.

The extra costs associated with expanding marriage benefits to more people is more than mitigated by the eventual decrease in teen suicides, I would think.
Then do the math and prove it :) You know even in places where gays are accepted their rates of suicide are much higher then the national average, it could be they are just more sensitive to such things and are at risk regardless. It might be you're attempt to make them conform to national averages is in itself a form of bigotry, as maybe they are different and you're not allowing them to be what they are...

[LAGC]

Then do the math and prove it :) You know even in places where gays are accepted their rates of suicide are much higher then the national average, it could be they are just more sensitive to such things and are at risk regardless. It might be you're attempt to make them conform to national averages is in itself a form of bigotry, as maybe they are different and you're not allowing them to be what they are...

Well, to be completely honest with you, I've never really seen the big deal about marriage. Considering most marriages end in divorce with much suffering involved, why bother in the first place? Why not keep relationships open-ended, so that if you and your would-be spouse eventually come to not love each other any more, why not just split and find new mates? Why put your children through that, if you can't stand your spouse any more?

But if gays/lesbians want to "join the club" and be as miserable as so many straight married couples are, that should be their right. After all, there are tax and health care benefits of tying the knot that unmarried couples can't take advantage of.

I certainly don't see any harm, any more than broken/abusive marriages between straight people are wrong in general.

[NAPOTS]

If fags get to marry I want two wives.

[mriddick]

Well, to be completely honest with you, I've never really seen the big deal about marriage. Considering most marriages end in divorce with much suffering involved, why bother in the first place? Why not keep relationships open-ended, so that if you and your would-be spouse eventually come to not love each other any more, why not just split and find new mates? Why put your children through that, if you can't stand your spouse any more?

But if gays/lesbians want to "join the club" and be as miserable as so many straight married couples are, that should be their right. After all, there are tax and health care benefits of tying the knot that unmarried couples can't take advantage of.

I certainly don't see any harm, any more than broken/abusive marriages between straight people are wrong in general.

My belief is going forward everything should be looked at as to costs and whether it is paid for, I know it sounds different but it's time that's how we start to do it. I also believe we need to make choices based on whats good for society VS just OK'ing every individual freedom based on it simply being an individual freedom (not much of a libertarian).

[FunkyPertwee]

Just because I define marriage as being outside the authority of Government doesn't mean I support homosexuality or am non-religious.

[Dr. Gonzo GED]

NC's culture is so fragile that it will be ruined by ugly fat chicks getting spousal status?

I'm not seeing the connection.

You've already got gays. They already live togeather. A piece of paper that basically does little more than marry their credit score and tax return is going to destroy your society?

Grow. Thicker. Skin.

[FunkyPertwee]

NC's culture is so fragile that it will be ruined by ugly fat chicks getting spousal status?

I'm not seeing the connection.

You've already got gays. They already live togeather. A piece of paper that basically does little more than marry their credit score and tax return is going to destroy your society?

Grow. Thicker. Skin.

I think what they really want is the gays to be rounded up and shipped via train to a fag camp. Thats the only way to stop Christian children from choosing to become gay. Otherwise the anal urge is just too great for them to resist.

Thats what I gather from the family values crowd anyway. Same goes for pot; If they don't pay the police to eradicate it, they're children won't have strong enough principals to resist becoming a drug addict.

[alismith]

I think the numbers speak for themselves. MSM are men who have sex with men.

"CDC estimates that MSM account for just 2% of the US population, but accounted for 61% of all new HIV infections in 2009. MSM accounted for 49% of people living with HIV infection in 2008 (the most recent year prevalence data are available)."

http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/resources/factsheets/us.htm

Hummm, sounds like a self-limiting culture to me. Making it "legal" just might make it disappear a little quicker...

[gpwasr10]

In May we are having a special election to vote for or against a amendment that would ban gay marriage. Recent polls show that the amendment would fail. Also recent polls show that NC voters would recognize gay legal unions. This means NC would be the only southern state without an amendment in the state constitution to define marriage.

That also means all those liberal gays will flock here for the low cost of living. The next domino to this would be the politics that they bring and in 10 years NC is the next Massachusetts, New Jersey, New York, or Maryland. Once the liberal northern gays flock here...NC will become a base for liberal operations in the south! The commies, unions, environmental wackos will come. Look out SC, VA, TN, GA! This is how the left is going to destroy the conservative south, and get their anti-gun tree hugging politics pushed south of the Mason-Dixon line!

What the hell is wrong with that man? Gays are clean, keep property values high, keep their houses immaculate, don't have a high number of criminals in their ranks.

I don't get buttfucking other dudes hairy assholes either, but on the hole (pun intended) they normally stick to themselves.

[was_peacemaker]

What the hell is wrong with that man? Gays are clean, keep property values high, keep their houses immaculate, don't have a high number of criminals in their ranks.

I don't get buttfucking other dudes hairy assholes either, but on the hole (pun intended) they normally stick to themselves.

My issue is this. When a state or community becomes "gay friendly" it attracts other liberals like unions, ACLU types, PETA types, gun grabbers and commie's in general. If we can get this amendment passed then maybe they will pack up and go to NY, or Cali. Its like this. If you allow your garden to harbor a weed... then guess what? More weeds pop up.

By passing this marriage amendment we are basically telling the left that NC is not a place that is going to harbor their anti-American agenda. This amendment is to NC culture what weed pulling is for the garden. It needs to be done to protect the stability of the states culture. Or ACLU card carrying commies are gonna flock here then infiltrate our schools and government and twinkle toe the place up.

[dishman]

i have to respectfully dissagree,i know a few gay "couples" and they are pretty conservative,and are enthusiastic firearms owners.
maybe you watch to much tv,but what you describe has not been my experiance..but maybe i met the only few decent ones.so i could be incorrect.
i think what someone does in there bedroom is there business,as long as it does not cost me money..what the hell do i care what my neighbor does in there bedroom..unless i am a perv or some weirdo pushing my values on them.
i will say that by the consevatives hating on them,does push them to the dems/liberals..which then goes against my/our interests as gun owners,etc...
i am not kidding,the ones i know are more conservative then i am,and i am pretty conservative...just not what people do in there bedroom..i was never elected as bedroom nanny..and honestly..being anti/hateful of gays goes against true conservative princibles..a real conservative wants minimal interference from the state..unless they are vulnerable like a kid..the state has no biz in my home.
my dad,after my mom died,became a deacon,he always said..hate the sin,not the sinner.
by hating the people you claim are going to destroy your state,you are actually driving them into the arms of your real enemy...not very farsighted..and if your so sure it is evil,then god will get em in the end anyhow..so how it is your concern?
i say conservatives hating gays is counter productive,and like i always say..there is no such thing as crazy if god is on your side..lol..ask bin laden!

[was_peacemaker]

Its not that I hate anyone. I don't care for what they bring around. I am sure there are a few conservative gays. But, around here its more like the Rachel Maddow approved blue haired anti-American types.

[insider]

AIDS=Another Infected Dick Sucker.

[TEN-32]

Big picture folks. Erosion of our moral and family values and religious beliefs. Hijacking our education system. Its all part of the communist takeover without firing a shot.

LAGC you should go kill yourself. You are a commie piece of shit.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3I-PVVowFY

[was_peacemaker]

Big picture folks. Erosion of our moral and family values and religious beliefs. Hijacking our education system. Its all part of the communist takeover without firing a shot.

LAGC you should go kill yourself. You are a commie piece of shit.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3I-PVVowFY

Is that Oprah's rep? LOL WOW....I can't believe she just said that.

[insider]

Big picture folks. Erosion of our moral and family values and religious beliefs. Hijacking our education system. Its all part of the communist takeover without firing a shot.

LAGC you should go kill yourself. You are a commie piece of shit.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3I-PVVowFY
Maxine Waters is a POS!

[dishman]

Maxine Waters is a POS!

maxine waters is a pos is right,and what fucking retards elected that shit stain?
where the hell is she from,i mean is she from cali?
she reps the gimme handout crowd,has to be for open borders as well.
i cant believe someone that vapid can get elected,jeez maybe i will run for office?