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Mark Ducati
08-20-2010, 11:22 AM
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I had my S12 professionally refinished with a local gunsmith... the finish on this thing is immaculate! I've got some kind of door breecher muzzle brake I got from Mississippi Auto Arms, as well as the 8.5" Ace Skeleton Stock (with side folding mechanism)... that's a Chaos US extended quad rail and their HK sights :) Finally, she's sporting a magpul front grip, Tapco SAW pistol grip, Tromix trigger guard and an NC Star Reflex sight!

I am VERY impressed with the NC Star reflex sight... $60 bucks from rrages.com (thanks to Moe for the tip)... the sight is all metal, holds zero, also had red/green dual mode with 4 different reticals.

The MD Arms drum only takes 2 3/4" shells... even though the S&B 00 Buckshot shells are labeled 2 3/4", they do NOT fit in the MD Arms drum, but do fit in the 10 round AGP mags.

Even with MD Arms improved gas plug with 4 different settings, I cannot get this to cycle low brass ammo... some folks say they can open the gas ports a little and over gas it, but for me, I'll just stick with high brass... although 20 rounds in a drum for skeet would be fun :)

I'll answer questions later, gotta head out to shop with the wife on my day off, but wanted to get the pics up for y'all ASAP.

Mark Ducati
08-20-2010, 11:23 AM
Next on the list is to SBR that puppy :)

RCS
08-20-2010, 11:56 AM
+1 on the SBS. That is one sweet S12, by the way. Got a parts list?

El Jefe
08-20-2010, 01:06 PM
Damn, that is cool. I'm also getting intrigued by the NC Star sight.

deth502
08-20-2010, 02:22 PM
your rear sights on backwards.

other thn that, i like it :thumbsup:

Mark Ducati
08-20-2010, 03:22 PM
Seriously, is the rear site on backwards?

Saiga 12 - Russian Armory $449
Chaos US Quad Rail $189 (now $99)
Chaos US Hk Sights $85
Talon BreacherBrake $69 http://www.mississippiautoarms.com/saiga-12-talon-breacherbrake-etaclava-shield-black-p-889.html

Mississippi Auto Arms Conversion Kit $288 which includes:
http://www.mississippiautoarms.com/saiga-12-pistol-grip-conversion-kit-with-85-ace-skeleton-stock-p-845.html
Tromix Trigger Guard and Internals
Tapco Saw Grip
ACE 8.5" folding stock with Mississippi Auto folding mechanism
Screw Build Kit

Gunsmith Work to refinish and reassemble: $350

NC Star dual red/green with 4 reticles... $60
MD Arms 20 round Drum $160 bucks....


This is the first time I've added it up... sheesh! I've got about $1650 into this weapon... but I've been working on it for about a year now, so over time, maybe that's not too bad?

Mark Ducati
08-20-2010, 05:47 PM
Thanks Deth!

I just looked at my G3, you're right! Rear was backwards! I didn't even notice that!

az_paul
08-21-2010, 02:01 AM
Nice going, Mark!! Some of the other shotguns run better with high brass, as well.

swampdragon
08-21-2010, 03:32 AM
Nice going, Mark!! Some of the other shotguns run better with high brass, as well.

As long as he doesn't load the shells backwards too....lol
:coffee:
Just kidding...
Nice gun!

MRIman
08-21-2010, 07:49 PM
Have you ran it with low brass without the quad rail?
If not,give it a try. You might have to open the ports,but have read that the
rail was causeing an issue.

Mark Ducati
08-21-2010, 08:10 PM
I don't see how the rail can be an issue? Its just a bolt on accessory and doesn't interfere with the gas system at all...

Before I had the shotty rebuilt, I did try running low brass through it... I even tried all 4 settings using MD Arms improved gas block and even the factory 2 setting gas block... I couldn't get it to run low brass at all. Even the S&B 2 3/4" medium brass won't cycle. I was shooting 3" Winchester Turkey loads (5 shot) and that works... that's what I used to shoot skeet with today :) Worked like a charm.

Mark Ducati
08-21-2010, 08:11 PM
I've heard about opening the ports up a little.. seems like all you do is take dremel and just make the openings a hair bigger... I think I read that if you can see how much you opened the hole, then you did too much?

Mark Ducati
08-22-2010, 08:55 AM
BTW... I wanted to give y'all a report on that NC Star Reflex Sight.... it held zero for a couple dozen shots (that's all I took).

But this is NOT a good sight for skeet shooting... with the weapon lowered, as soon as I pulled the shotgun up for a cheek weld, then I had to find the illuminated reticle in the sight, then I had to try and find the bird flying!

The only way I could use the sight to shoot the clay pigeons was to get a cheek weld first and already acquire the sighting reticle, then lower my shotgun down, then when I called "pull" I already had the sight to track the flying bird.

I wouldn't recommend this sight for skeet... but, it would be awesome for sweeping and clearing a house.

RCS
08-22-2010, 09:02 AM
Awesome, Mark. Looks like a great build. Plan to add anything else?

1 Patriot-of-many
08-22-2010, 11:50 AM
Very very nice!

slamfire51
08-22-2010, 12:22 PM
Great looking Saiga!!

Got to get one someday.

videodon
08-22-2010, 02:24 PM
Very badass indeed! Me likie!
:)

Skarmajunga
08-22-2010, 02:45 PM
Who did you get the chaos rail from? Looks great by the way

DownRange1776
08-22-2010, 02:46 PM
That is an awesome looking Saiga 12ga. I really like those guns and would like to add one to my growing collection of guns.

The mags are they hard to find and what are the prices?

I looked at a .308 Saiga but the mags made me pause due to the price. I did find an L1A1 that I bought and now wanting a Saiga of some kind.

Mark Ducati
08-23-2010, 08:04 AM
The only thing I plan in future is an SBS...

Mags are abundant, but price... $40-50 bucks... but you can get the drum for $99 now on gunbroker.

skorpion
08-23-2010, 09:05 AM
That's one sweet boomstick right there, Mark. Those pictures really make me want to snatch up the S12 at my local shop.

deth502
08-23-2010, 03:07 PM
The only thing I plan in future is an SBS...

Mags are abundant, but price... $40-50 bucks... but you can get the drum for $99 now on gunbroker.

dont remember where (maybe sportsmans guide??) but ive been seeing ads for the drums for sale a lot lately. iirc, 10, 12, or 20 round?? the 20 was $99, with the smaller ones cheaper. im thinking they were from promag??

Skarmajunga
08-23-2010, 06:08 PM
Hey mark
did you have to knock out the original sight for the rail to fit?