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Gunreference1
09-02-2010, 01:26 AM
Gun law freedom lawsuit dealt blow

By MATT GOURAS, Associated Press
Thursday, September 2, 2010

HELENA, Mont. -- A group of states, including South Carolina, seeking freedom from federal gun laws were dealt a blow Wednesday when a federal magistrate recommended dismissal of a lawsuit launched by gun rights advocates who argue Congress has overstepped its bounds with gun control.

The magistrate sided with the U.S. Department of Justice, which says courts already have decided that Congress can set standards on such items as guns through its power to regulate interstate commerce. The recommendation now goes to the federal judge in Missoula hearing the case -- and even gun rights advocates recognized it is likely he will side with the magistrate.

The issue was launched last year with "firearm freedoms act" laws backed by gun advocates in Montana and led to a lawsuit filed by gun advocates with the backing of Montana, Utah, Alabama, Idaho, South Carolina, South Dakota, Wyoming and West Virginia.

The states argue they should decide which rules, if any, would control the sale and purchase of guns and paraphernalia made inside their borders. They say the 10th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution assures that the federal government only has those powers that are specifically given to it by the U.S. Constitution.

Federal magistrate Jeremiah Lynch beat back that argument in his recommendation dated Tuesday.

"Because federal firearms laws are a valid exercise of Congress' power under the Commerce Clause as applied to the intrastate activities contemplated by the act, there is no 10th Amendment violation in this case," Lynch wrote.

Lynch also challenged the standing of Gary Marbut and his Montana Shooting Sports Association to file the lawsuit in the first place.

Gun control advocates hailed the initial ruling.

"The gun lobby's so-called 'freedom' acts would threaten public safety by circumventing lifesaving federal laws," said Paul Helmke, president of the Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence. "The magistrate's recommendation was correct that the lawsuit, and the Act itself, should be thrown out."

Marbut said he is not surprised by the magistrate's recommendation, and believes it is likely that Federal Judge Donald Molloy will agree with his magistrate.

"We expected an adverse ruling in district court, which is fine, because it will give us control of the appeals process. We need to get in front of the Supreme Court," Marbut said. "Truly we need to overturn a half century of Commerce Clause precedent and only the Supreme Court can do that."

http://www.postandcourier.com/news/2010/sep/02/gun-law-freedom-lawsuit-dealt-blow/

Steve

l921428x
09-02-2010, 03:16 AM
I am not sure this is what the interstate commerce clause was set up for, the dems are going to start using this for everything.

Gunreference1
09-08-2010, 03:56 AM
Gun fans looking forward to challenging feds

'We only have to win at the United States Supreme Court'
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Posted: September 07, 2010
10:10 pm Eastern

By Bob Unruh
© 2010 WorldNetDaily

A magistrate in Montana has recommended to a U.S. district court judge that a lawsuit contending the federal government under the 10th Amendment lacks the authority to regulate in-state gun manufacturing and sales be dismissed, a move that the plaintiffs are greeting almost with glee.

"We have assumed all along that we would likely get dismissed at the district court," Gary Marbut, president of the Montana Shooting Sports Association, told KECI-TV in Missoula, Mont. "We only have to win at the United States Supreme Court, and we can lose all the way up to the United States Supreme Court."

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http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=200285

Steve

Gunreference1
10-01-2010, 12:09 AM
Fed judge dismisses states' gun suit

Matt Gouras, Associated Press Writer – Thu Sep 30, 5:22 pm ET

HELENA, Mont. – A federal judge in Missoula has dismissed a lawsuit by gun rights advocates and states seeking freedom from federal gun laws, a move that the advocates promised to appeal.

The decision Wednesday from U.S. District Judge Donald Molloy was expected since his magistrate a month ago recommended tossing out the lawsuit because Congress has the authority to regulate firearms with its constitutional power to regulate interstate commerce.

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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100930/ap_on_re_us/us_gun_rights_states_2

Steve

Gunreference1
10-04-2010, 12:15 AM
Gun case defying feds heads to appeals court

Challenge suggests Washington can't regulate in-state commerce
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Posted: October 03, 2010
10:23 pm Eastern

By Bob Unruh
© 2010 WorldNetDaily

A Montana lawsuit that could undercut the authority of the federal government on issues including guns, marijuana, REAL ID, health care, the national guard, taxes and even law enforcement is poised to move to the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals.

But even that august body is unlikely to resolve the contentions, since the authors of the original claim, which challenges the feds' authority to regulate guns made, sold and kept within a state, say they need the U.S. Supreme Court to act.

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http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=210609

Steve

Penguin
10-04-2010, 06:42 AM
That is disapointing so far but, not surprising.

imanaknut
10-04-2010, 11:48 AM
ATF has used interstate and international commerce to restrict the firearms that we could own since the 1968 Unconstitutionality.

Shall not be infringed applies to interstate, international and if it came down to it, interstellar sale of firearms.

Gunreference1
12-03-2010, 01:21 AM
Thursday, December 2nd, 2010 at 7:16 pm

Firearms Freedom Act Heads to the Ninth Circuit Court on Appeal

Firearms Freedom Act Enroute to the U.S. Supreme Court.

http://www.ammoland.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/Firearms-Freedom-Act-Map-12-1-10.jpg

MISSOULA, MONT. --(Ammoland.com)- Plaintiffs in litigation to validate the principles of the Montana Firearms Freedom Act (MFFA) have appealed an expected but adverse federal district court decision to the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals.

The plaintiffs in MSSA v. Holder include the Montana Shooting Sports Association (MSSA), the Second Amendment Foundation (SAF), and MSSA President Gary Marbut of Missoula.

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http://www.ammoland.com/2010/12/02/firearms-freedom-act-heads-to-the-ninth-circuit-court/

Steve

Gunreference1
02-10-2011, 02:55 AM
Montana wants penalties for feds who violate state law

Lawmakers considering upgrade to Firearms Freedom Act
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Posted: February 10, 2011
12:30 am Eastern

By Bob Unruh
© 2011 WorldNetDaily

Lawmakers in the state of Montana who initiated the idea of a Firearms Freedom Act to declare guns made, sold and kept in the state exempt from federal regulations now want to beef up the plan.

They want penalties to apply to any "official, agent, or employee" of the federal government "who purposely or knowingly enforces a law, regulation, or order of the United States relating to a personal firearm, firearm accessory, or ammunition manufactured in this state."

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http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=261893

Steve

Penguin
02-10-2011, 07:49 AM
Well I think we all know how that will go in the 9th circut.

Krupski
02-10-2011, 10:19 AM
The magistrate sided with the U.S. Department of Justice, which says courts already have decided that Congress can set standards on such items as guns through its power to regulate interstate commerce.

How is "interstate commerce" relevant to firearms (or any other product) made in a particular state and kept in that state?

TomO
02-10-2011, 10:40 AM
How is "interstate commerce" relevant to firearms (or any other product) made in a particular state and kept in that state?

It's not....but the Feds aren't interested in actually following the Constitution as it's intended; they are interested in controlling whatever they can in SPITE of the Constitution. They have and will continue to use the Commerce Clause outside of it's intended purpose for anything they can think of to expand their power.