Saiga-308 and Vepr 308 owners.US MADE METAL MAGS.

[AKTexas]

http://www.csspecs.com/index.html

$50 each for the Vepr OR Saiga.

[Infidelski]

Are these new to the market, any reviews yet? Glad to see, thanks for the link

[AKTexas]

Are these new to the market, any reviews yet? Glad to see, thanks for the link

They were mentioned that the maker is a member of the Saiga forum.I found the link at gunco.I really have not found any reviews.

[Infidelski]

May have to guinea pig them myself for the Saiga & Vepr .308. Feedback to follow :)

[AKTexas]

May have to guinea pig them myself for the Saiga & Vepr .308. Feedback to follow :)

Keep us updated,I may talk my uncle into a few these.

[Infidelski]

Will do... sent email and hope to confirm an order (two of each .308 mags) this week for an in-person inspection.

[Lysander]

For $50, wouldn't it just be easier to mod M-14 mags for the Vepr?

[AKTexas]

For $50, wouldn't it just be easier to mod M-14 mags for the Vepr?

Mine takes un-modified M14 mags.The rifle was modified.

[Infidelski]

For $50, wouldn't it just be easier to mod M-14 mags for the Vepr?

It is more cost effective, have not tried to mod a m14 mag yet (is there an online detail of that?). Want to see whats being offered. Can't hurt to have 1 or 2 of these and support another Made in USA product :)

[Lysander]

Mine takes un-modified M14 mags.The rifle was modified.


Ah, got it backwards.

How much was the modification?

[AKTexas]

Ah, got it backwards.

How much was the modification?

The mod was done by Krebs before they stopped taking on custom work.I got the Vepr from mriddick and I think he got the Vepr after the conversion.I have no idea what it cost for the conversion.When I get it back I will take some pics of the trunnion and mag catch that Krebs did to use unmodified mags.

[hazmat]

Definitely something worth following. Let us know how they work. I may be interested in one or two...

[RCS]

How accurate is the Saiga in .308?

[AKTexas]

How accurate is the Saiga in .308?

Moderately to Very Accurate if you do your part the right ammo and it helps with a trigger conversion.

[O.S.O.K.]

Well, at the risk of having these go deep into backorder (which they probably will), I'm waiting. My FBMG mags work just dandy for now. I want to be sure these are worth $50 a pop...

My Saiga .308 pg conversion is very accurate. If these mags prove to be good, they'll make the Saiga 308 a top choice for a MBR - especially for the $$ IMHO.

Thanks for the heads up on these!!

[Lysander]

Well, at the risk of having these go deep into backorder (which they probably will), I'm waiting. My FBMG mags work just dandy for now. I want to be sure these are worth $50 a pop...

My Saiga .308 pg conversion is very accurate. If these mags prove to be good, they'll make the Saiga 308 a top choice for a MBR - especially for the $$ IMHO.

Thanks for the heads up on these!!

I disagree.

When I look at the money I've dropped on my S-308, converting it completely, buying mags for it, etc. I'm not that far away from an LMT MWS, which is infinitely more accurate than my S-308.

[AKTexas]

I disagree.

When I look at the money I've dropped on my S-308, converting it completely, buying mags for it, etc. I'm not that far away from an LMT MWS, which is infinitely more accurate than my S-308.

Why do the cheap guns add up to the price of the expensive ones?I'm considering two new .308 next year,a POF and a Springfield Socom.Both will run me over 1k each.

[Lysander]

Why do the cheap guns add up to the price of the expensive ones?I'm considering two new .308 next year,a POF and a Springfield Socom.Both will run me over 1k each.

$400 for the S-308 (I can't remember, I think it was more, but I'm low balling to be fair)
$100 for the RSA trigger
$55 for the K-Var polymer furniture
$80 for the Tabuk FH
$200 for the Ultimak Quad Rail (because I was getting too much shift from the factory HG)
$110 for the front end work (threading, crowning)
$300 for the Krebs Beryl rail.

Now, hindsight being 20x20, I wouldn't buy the Krebs rail. But I do feel that the Ultimak rails were pretty much essential due to the issues I was having with the original HG. Between the factory mags, FBMG, and Surefire, I've probably spent another $6-700 trying to find reliable magazines.

So you're looking at $1300 before buying magazines and glass, and $2,000 if you include the cost of mags. The MWS sells for about $2300, has much cheaper magazines, is inherently more accurate, and is a much more adaptable platform. Add another $120 for 6 additional 762Magpul mags, and you're pretty damn close. For me, it would be a "no brainer", and it won't be, because after my next AR, I'm buying the MWS.

[AKTexas]

$400 for the S-308 (I can't remember, I think it was more, but I'm low balling to be fair)
$100 for the RSA trigger
$55 for the K-Var polymer furniture
$80 for the Tabuk FH
$200 for the Ultimak Quad Rail (because I was getting too much shift from the factory HG)
$110 for the front end work (threading, crowning)
$300 for the Krebs Beryl rail.

Now, hindsight being 20x20, I wouldn't buy the Krebs rail. But I do feel that the Ultimak rails were pretty much essential due to the issues I was having with the original HG. Between the factory mags, FBMG, and Surefire, I've probably spent another $6-700 trying to find reliable magazines.

So you're looking at $1300 before buying magazines and glass, and $2,000 if you include the cost of mags. The MWS sells for about $2300, has much cheaper magazines, is inherently more accurate, and is a much more adaptable platform. Add another $120 for 6 additional 762Magpul mags, and you're pretty damn close. For me, it would be a "no brainer", and it won't be, because after my next AR, I'm buying the MWS.

So tell me about the MWS?Who makes it?

[O.S.O.K.]

Lysander, given your list of add-ons, I would agree with you.

And I said "a top choice", not the top choice. ;) Semantics.

Your list has over $600 worth of stuff that I don't want. I like a kiss type carbine myself.

Mine is about as simple as it gets - the only thing I'd improve is the buttstock - but the one on it works just fine. Just a basic conversion with drift adjustable rear sight added.

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4025/4462018915_0472974b7f.jpg

I can have a scope on the low side-mount that I have for it ready to go to pack with if I want to use it for longer range.

The mags were the real weak spot...

It shoots 1 1/2", 100 yard groups with the iron sights - general handloads. 2" groups with milsurp Hertenberger. Plenty good enough, but I could most likely get to MOA with handloads taylored to it.

[Infidelski]

No response from csspecs about an order yet, it is friday so hopefully they get back to work tuesday and process the order
Nice rig OSOK, i'm still driving the woody saiga ;)

[O.S.O.K.]

Thanks. And you hit on something else that slows me down on this - they are currently using paypal for orders/payments. My credit card doesn't wash with those pukes - we had a disagreement over a transaction... yes, involving gun stuff. The hell with paypuke.

[Infidelski]

you say paypal and I found them on GB. ordered a two pack for the Vepr. not many sales but feedback so far has been A+

[Infidelski]

Order placed, easy to work with people down there. Hope to have report and pics next week

[AKTexas]

Order placed, easy to work with people down there. Hope to have report and pics next week

Look forward to the report...Even if I don't have a S-308 anymore and my Vepr takes M14 mags.

[davepool]

Look forward to the report...Even if I don't have a S-308 anymore and my Vepr takes M14 mags.

I was considering having my vepr modified to take the M14 mags at one time ( i thought it was you who had given me a link to someone who did that before the shut down ) but i managed to find 4 unused plastic 10 rounders at a gun show and changed my mind, the 20 round mags look interesting and the same price i paid for the plastic 10 round,thanks for the link !

[AKTexas]

I was considering having my vepr modified to take the M14 mags at one time ( i thought it was you who had given me a link to someone who did that before the shut down ) but i managed to find 4 unused plastic 10 rounders at a gun show and changed my mind, the 20 round mags look interesting and the same price i paid for the plastic 10 round,thanks for the link !

Krebs used to do it.They not longer take custom work.

[Infidelski]

Good News !

I ended up ordering off of GB, 2 for $100 twenty round VEPR mags [+ Florida sales tax] and free shipping ;)

I'm not sure if the transaction could have been much better and they arrived yesterday while I was shooting dove in GA. Opened them up this morning after washing and fueling the cars. The packaging was so good I'd call it slightly overdone but then again they are MADE IN THE USA and after opening one up I understood again why everything was right and tight like it ought to be :) !!!

At first sight I was impressed, I've bought plenty of NEW mags lately from the likes of ruger, sgm, sig, C-products, magpul, springfield etc etc. These are the best opening impression yet. The mags are all metal spot-welded construction including follower and overall they look to be well crafted, the materials and finish are excellent quality. I count 33 spotwelds on the body, one is double struck and another shows a small indication of porosity. Fit and feed results later...

The fit is real good with no slop whatsoever, a little tight side to side. Manual feed was flawless with some brass cased brittish rad; 1st a string of 10 rnds fed on the order of 1 per second followed by 20 cycles fast as ya can. Need to remember to wear gloves cycling fast like that. My vepr 308 is an early 1998 rifle model that only ever fed plastic mags so I expected a hang-up but had none. Extracted cases were clean and only showed small typical marks from feeding into breach on the neck. Hope to get to th range sooner rather than later but its a busy time of year for us. Will postt a few pics into a gallery so y'all can see them later when the wifey gets home with cam.

[DeadPool]

$400 for the S-308 (I can't remember, I think it was more, but I'm low balling to be fair)
$100 for the RSA trigger
$55 for the K-Var polymer furniture
$80 for the Tabuk FH
$200 for the Ultimak Quad Rail (because I was getting too much shift from the factory HG)
$110 for the front end work (threading, crowning)
$300 for the Krebs Beryl rail.

Now, hindsight being 20x20, I wouldn't buy the Krebs rail. But I do feel that the Ultimak rails were pretty much essential due to the issues I was having with the original HG. Between the factory mags, FBMG, and Surefire, I've probably spent another $6-700 trying to find reliable magazines.

So you're looking at $1300 before buying magazines and glass, and $2,000 if you include the cost of mags. The MWS sells for about $2300, has much cheaper magazines, is inherently more accurate, and is a much more adaptable platform. Add another $120 for 6 additional 762Magpul mags, and you're pretty damn close. For me, it would be a "no brainer", and it won't be, because after my next AR, I'm buying the MWS.

Damn, thats a lot of dough for a saiga. yours is probably a lot sweeter than mine but I'm in the $8-900 range. if you look real close at the avatar you can see it. dont no how to post pics.

[HDR]

So tell me about the MWS?Who makes it?


http://www.lewismachine.net/

[aliceinchains]

Why do the cheap guns add up to the price of the expensive ones?I'm considering two new .308 next year,a POF and a Springfield Socom.Both will run me over 1k each.



Springfield Socom is a sweet little weapon.

[Infidelski]

Sorry about crummy phone pics, I finally have the day off and wife took camera to beach ;)

http://i1123.photobucket.com/albums/l552/Infidelski/th_IMG_0606.jpg?t=1289242408

http://i1123.photobucket.com/albums/l552/Infidelski/th_IMG_0607.jpg?t=1289242408

http://i1123.photobucket.com/albums/l552/Infidelski/IMG_0608.jpg?t=1289242484

http://s1123.photobucket.com/albums/l552/Infidelski/th_IMG_0609.jpg?t=1289242557

[AKTexas]

Looks good!

[AKTexas]

Range report on these mags?

[davepool]

Range report on these mags?

I'll second that.

[csspecs]

I'll second that.

Third

[Infidelski]

Apologies people.... The mags have not seen any range time. But as I expressed before they are very well made/fabricated and functioned well being manually feed. I could not imagine anything that couldn't be hand fitted/adjusted if there was a feed problem but from my experience I'm really not expecting any problems.

[Infidelski]

FINALLY !!! Apologies for not reporting these mags sooner, I pretty much had forgotten how well the veprs handle.

The CSSPECS .308 Vepr mags function just fine. No pictures but I can report that the mags all fit in the Vepr .308 Rifle. These are very heavy duty mags and with so much metal and hard corners compared to the factory mags they fit very good, the molot factory polymer mags are still pretty tight fitting in this original configuration rifle. We loaded up 10 factory mags and 2 CSSPECS mags with an assortment of mostly 7.62x51 surplus. I choose one mag to reload a few times, the mags load and feed very well. No problems whatsoever!

The .223 Vepr Carbine was a blast to shoot again, this time with some slightly modified 20rnd tanker mags and wolf ammo.

Both guns were fitted with recoil buffers purchased long ago and I forgot how fugly the factory rear sights are on the vepr.

[El Laton Caliente]

I see they have 20's shipping. This is why I haven't been shooting the .308 VEPR. Something else to unass money on...

[O.S.O.K.]

New website: http://stores.csspecs.com/StoreFront.bok

Out of stock on 20 round Saiga....