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Cypher
11-08-2012, 09:27 AM
Well, that didn't take long at all. better buy up whatever foreign made guns you want now while you can before they are banned from importation.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/11/07/us-arms-treaty-un-idUSBRE8A627J20121107


(Reuters) - Hours after U.S. President Barack Obama was re-elected, the United States backed a U.N. committee's call on Wednesday to renew debate over a draft international treaty to regulate the $70 billion global conventional arms trade.

U.N. delegates and gun control activists have complained that talks collapsed in July largely because Obama feared attacks from Republican rival Mitt Romney if his administration was seen as supporting the pact, a charge Washington denies.

The month-long talks at U.N. headquarters broke off after the United States - along with Russia and other major arms producers - said it had problems with the draft treaty and asked for more time.

But the U.N. General Assembly's disarmament committee moved quickly after Obama's win to approve a resolution calling for a new round of talks March 18-28. It passed with 157 votes in favor, none against and 18 abstentions.

U.N. diplomats said the vote had been expected before Tuesday's U.S. presidential election but was delayed due to Superstorm Sandy, which caused a three-day closure of the United Nations last week.

An official at the U.S. mission said Washington's objectives have not changed.

"We seek a treaty that contributes to international security by fighting illicit arms trafficking and proliferation, protects the sovereign right of states to conduct legitimate arms trade, and meets the concerns that we have been articulating throughout," the official said.

"We will not accept any treaty that infringes on the constitutional rights of our citizens to bear arms," he said.

U.S. officials have acknowledged privately that the treaty under discussion would have no effect on domestic gun sales and ownership because it would apply only to exports.

The main reason the arms trade talks are taking place at all is that the United States - the world's biggest arms trader accounting for more than 40 percent of global conventional arms transfers - reversed U.S. policy on the issue after Obama was first elected and decided in 2009 to support a treaty.

'MONTHS AWAY' FROM DEAL?

Countries that abstained included Russia, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Sudan, Belarus, Cuba and Iran. China, a major arms producer that has traditionally abstained, voted in favor.

Among the top six arms-exporting nations, Russia cast the only abstention. Britain, France and Germany joined China and the United States in support of the resolution.

The measure now goes to the 193-nation General Assembly for a formal vote. It is expected to pass.

The resolution said countries are "determined to build on the progress made to date towards the adoption of a strong, balanced and effective Arms Trade Treaty."

Jeff Abramson, director of Control Arms, a coalition of advocacy groups, urged states to agree on stringent provisions.

"In Syria, we have seen the death toll rise well over 30,000, with weapons and ammunition pouring in the country for months now," he said. "We need a treaty that will set tough rules to control the arms trade, that will save lives and truly make the world a better place."

Brian Wood of Amnesty International said: "After today's resounding vote, if the larger arms trading countries show real political will in the negotiations, we're only months away from securing a new global deal that has the potential to stop weapons reaching those who seriously abuse human rights."

The treaty would require states to make respecting human rights a criterion for allowing arms exports.

Britain's U.N. mission said on its Twitter feed it hoped that the March negotiations would yield the final text of a treaty. Such a pact would then need to be ratified by the individual signatories before it could enter into force.

The National Rifle Association, the powerful U.S. interest group, strongly opposes the arms treaty and had endorsed Romney.

The United States has denied it sought to delay negotiations for political reasons, saying it had genuine problems with the draft as written.

(Editing by Xavier Briand)

Diesel
11-08-2012, 09:51 AM
I do so wish the shit for brains arabs had flown the air planes into the UN building instead of the twin towers...wish in one hand, shit in the other see which gets filled up first.

Diesel 88888888

:coffee:

Cypher
11-08-2012, 10:00 AM
I do so wish the shit for brains arabs had flown the air planes into the UN building instead of the twin towers...wish in one hand, shit in the other see which gets filled up first.

Diesel 88888888

:coffee:

I would much prefer that than the Trade Center for sure.

L1A1Rocker
11-08-2012, 11:25 AM
I do so wish the shit for brains arabs had flown the air planes into the UN building instead of the twin towers...wish in one hand, shit in the other see which gets filled up first.

Diesel 88888888

:coffee:

The UN is the muzzies best tool to get into the pockets of other nations.


The UN tabled this so the US could get through the election. Now BamBam has more "flexibility". Please folks, steel your heart for what may become needed.

samiam
11-08-2012, 11:42 AM
So if foreign gunmakers wanted to sell their products in USA they would have to manufacture them here . . . sounds like a job creation program

O.S.O.K.
11-08-2012, 12:40 PM
I'm very concerned about this. I suspect with the House firmly in Repub hands, that obummer will try the "treaty" route to gun control. We know that lap dog Dingy Harry will comply and he's already talking about changing the rules for filibuster - very fishy.

We need to watch this closely.

studmuffin
11-08-2012, 01:47 PM
I do not trust anything said in that article. The whole concept is meaningless. Smallarms sales are like any other form of contaband. There are already laws in place to prevent it, yet is still happens on a massive scale and is no more under control and the illegal drug trade. So what other purpose can it be in place for. To internationally render illegal nongovernmental arms from freedom fighters of any kind. democratic or otherwise. Still in the end it will mean nothing. It's only purpose is to disarm citizens, including american citizens.

Cypher
11-08-2012, 01:57 PM
I do not trust anything said in that article. The whole concept is meaningless. Smallarms sales are like any other form of contaband. There are already laws in place to prevent it, yet is still happens on a massive scale and is no more under control and the illegal drug trade. So what other purpose can it be in place for. To internationally render illegal nongovernmental arms from freedom fighters of any kind. democratic or otherwise. Still in the end it will mean nothing. It's only purpose is to disarm citizens, including american citizens.

Yep, like other anti-gun propositions they sugar coat it and try to make it sound like they are trying to save innocent people when in reality the only purpose they have is top prevent law abiding people from owning guns.

This of all the gun shops in the US that rely on foreign imports. Yeah there will be a used market but look at what happened to prices with dill weed Bush I's ban.

imanaknut
11-08-2012, 03:06 PM
I can't believe I am saying this, but any treaty has to be approved by the senate. Harry Reid might be a bastage democrat, but he is very pro-second amendment. He has shown over time that he won't allow anti-firearm bills out of committee, so based on that I hope he will continue and not allow a senate vote on a US firearm treaty.

Did I really say that? Yes!

O.S.O.K.
11-08-2012, 03:35 PM
I trust that guy about as much as I trust nasty pelosi or obummer. He will tow the party line - just watch. He'll come up with some kind of excuse.

stinker
11-08-2012, 05:32 PM
The treaty would require states to make respecting human rights a criterion for allowing arms exports.


Oh, well, why didn't they just say so before?

Now i just feel all warm and squishy inside about it since the U.N. is coming to the rescue making human rights the top priority...

Queue the libtard tossing out an accusation of my desire to see human rights violated in 3...2...1...

1 Patriot-of-many
11-08-2012, 08:02 PM
I can't believe I am saying this, but any treaty has to be approved by the senate. Harry Reid might be a bastage democrat, but he is very pro-second amendment. He has shown over time that he won't allow anti-firearm bills out of committee, so based on that I hope he will continue and not allow a senate vote on a US firearm treaty.

Did I really say that? Yes! don't know how you can say that. I posted a whole list recently of antigun stuff Reid stood behind.

Schuetzenman
11-08-2012, 10:41 PM
I'm very concerned about this. I suspect with the House firmly in Repub hands, that obummer will try the "treaty" route to gun control. We know that lap dog Dingy Harry will comply and he's already talking about changing the rules for filibuster - very fishy.

We need to watch this closely.

When will that old Prick drop dead already!