New Mini 30 and new 10/22 TACTICAL rifles from Ruger who else?

[AKTexas]

http://www.ruger.com/products/miniThirty/images/5854.jpg

http://www.ruger.com/products/1022Tactical/images/1261.jpg


The Mini Thirty® Tactical Rifle
Announcing a new model of the simple, rugged and reliable Mini Thirty® Rifle, the Mini Thirty Tactical Rifle. Like all Ruger® Mini Thirty rifles, which have been extremely popular since first introduced in 1991, the Mini Thirty Tactical allows shooters to fire the 7.62 X 39 round in an affordable, quality, American-made auto-loading rifle. The Mini Thirty Tactical has a blued 16-1/8" barrel with flash suppressor and comes with a black synthetic stock. The rifle weighs approximately 6.75 pounds, has an overall length of 37.5 inches, and is shipped with one 20-round magazine. The sighting system on the Mini Thirty Tactical includes an adjustable "ghost ring" aperture rear sight and a protected, non-glare post front sight. Patented Ruger scope bases are machined directly into the receiver and can never shoot loose. A set of Ruger scope rings is included at no charge with each rifle. Side ejection of cartridge cases easily clears the lowest-mounted optics, and a patented recoil buffer helps protect optics from damage from repeated firing.
The 10/22® Tactical Rifle
Announcing the new Ruger® 10/22-FS rifle featuring the Ruger SR-556®/Mini-14®-style flash suppressor. This threaded barrel version of the popular Ruger 10/22® rifle allows owners to attach an assortment of muzzle accessories to one of America's favorite rimfire rifles. The Ruger 10/22-FS features a precision-rifled, cold hammer-forged 16-1/8" alloy steel barrel with black matte finish. The factory 1/2-28 thread barrel offers Ruger 10/22 owners the convenience and cost effectiveness of a threaded barrel necessary for many custom built firearms. With a black synthetic stock and carbine length barrel, the Ruger 10/22-FS weighs in at 4.3 lbs., the lightest weight 10/22 available today from Ruger. The Ruger 10/22-FS has an overall length of 36-1/4 inches, features a 13.5" length of pull and comes with a combination scope base adapter and reliable Ruger rotary magazine.

[FunkyPertwee]

I won't be happy until they bring back the A-Team side folder.

[AKTexas]

I won't be happy until they bring back the A-Team side folder.

You forgot the infinite ammo magazines too.The only downside is no chance in hell you will hit someone.

[mriddick]

The ruger folder had nice lines but it was a PITA to operate, the Choate folder was much better to work with.

I keep hearing good things from the new Ruger mini series, now if they can get the mag costs down to a reasonable level, there's no way they should be costing $25-30 a crack.

[AKTexas]

The ruger folder had nice lines but it was a PITA to operate, the Choate folder was much better to work with.

I keep hearing good things from the new Ruger mini series, now if they can get the mag costs down to a reasonable level, there's no way they should be costing $25-30 a crack.

They were going for $40 not too long ago.I would say this is a good step down.

[FunkyPertwee]

The ruger folder had nice lines but it was a PITA to operate, the Choate folder was much better to work with.

I keep hearing good things from the new Ruger mini series, now if they can get the mag costs down to a reasonable level, there's no way they should be costing $25-30 a crack.

I don't think I'd even want one except to have the old school 80's Ruger assault look.

Or especially if was like lynx's ACC-556.

[Moebrown20]

You forgot the infinite ammo magazines too.The only downside is no chance in hell you will hit someone.
In the 5 years the A-Team was on, the never shot anyone.

[Lysander]

What does this thing do that an AK or a Saiga can't/won't for less money?

[matshock]

What does this thing do that an AK or a Saiga can't/won't for less money?

Be a Ruger.

Seriously, my BIL forwent ARs & AKs because he wanted a Ruger.

Could he do better? Yeah. Am I happy to have another well-armed Republican in the family? Yeah.

[AKTexas]

What does this thing do that an AK or a Saiga can't/won't for less money?

You got it.

[O.S.O.K.]

I've been telling myslef that I don't need one of these....

http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/images/Mini%2014%20Wood%20ss.jpg

Old School LEO mini-14... Nebraska State Poleece.
$499 Shipped to your ffl.

CDNN has several OEM mags for sale too....

Tempting.... very tempting.

Yes, the fsb is placed such so that the bayo lug is usable.... slobber slobber.

[AKTexas]

I've been telling myslef that I don't need one of these....

http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/images/Mini%2014%20Wood%20ss.jpg

Old School LEO mini-14... Nebraska State Poleece.
$499 Shipped to your ffl.

CDNN has several OEM mags for sale too....

Tempting.... very tempting.

Yes, the fsb is placed such so that the bayo lug is usable.... slobber slobber.

That is nice but it needs the side folder.

[O.S.O.K.]

Good Lord.

I don't need any damned excuses to get a gun... but just hanging around here.... oh shit.

I ordered one of these...

Now to go see about getting some mags coming my way.

I understand that the aftermarket ones are a waste of money - so it'll be some Ruger mags. Probly 20 rounders...

Shit.

Now I have to go see what to sell off to cover this :dammit:

[O.S.O.K.]

That is nice but it needs the side folder.

I've got plenty of folders and adjustable stocked assawlt guns - I'm not a big A Team fan - I just like the retro mini-14's. Especially when they look like these and take bayos...

$499 shipped - and I know its going to have light handling marks and be pristine inside... every LEO trade-in that I've gotten from these guys has been at least a condition higher than they state.

[O.S.O.K.]

Well, I did a search and best I can tell, CDNN had the lowest prices on factory mags so I ordered from them.

[AKTexas]

Well, I did a search and best I can tell, CDNN had the lowest prices on factory mags so I ordered from them.

How much?Midway had them for 24 recently.

[O.S.O.K.]

I checked Midway - had them on sale for $26.99 (20 rounders) and $33.99 for the 30's. CDNN $24.99 and 29.99 respectively.

Everybody else was quite a bit higher.

It comes with one experienced 20 round mag and I ordered three of each of the 20's and 30's to go with. Seven mags is kinda my minum. I'll pick up some more when they're on sale later - if...

OH and the mini 14 is a "GB" model. These were produced in FA and SA models for military and LEO respectively.

I figure if nothing else, I'll be able to sell this for a premium later on if I decide to...

ETA: found some interesting info:

http://world.guns.ru/assault/as37-e.htm

I'd post some text but its got that copywrite stuff....

[AKTexas]

I checked Midway - had them on sale for $26.99 (20 rounders) and $33.99 for the 30's. CDNN $24.99 and 29.99 respectively.

Everybody else was quite a bit higher.

My uncle just got 4 from midway at 24.99 for the 20's,must have been a sale.

[deth502]

I've been telling myslef that I don't need one of these....

http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/images/Mini%2014%20Wood%20ss.jpg

Old School LEO mini-14... Nebraska State Poleece.
$499 Shipped to your ffl.

CDNN has several OEM mags for sale too....

Tempting.... very tempting.

Yes, the fsb is placed such so that the bayo lug is usable.... slobber slobber.

i got that one with the butler creek side folder. i paid a bit more than that though. id love to have a factory ss folder, but what ive seen them going for is as much as the rifle.

i never watched the a team, so i never associated it with that, but in hindsight, after seeing how this one shoots, im not at all surprised they never shot anyone.

[O.S.O.K.]

So how's your's shoot? And what kind of ammo por favor?

I'm expecting 2-3" groups at 100 yards? A lot of guys say 2" is more the norm...?

And the A-Team's mini's look like they're chromed?

http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u115/Ratduster77/ateam.jpg

Pitty da foo dat don't like da A Team's gunz :coffee:

They aren't "true" ACC556's or even GB's = look at the front sights - they're the civi front sights, so I'm guessing that the movie gun rental place cobbled these together?

http://images.starpulse.com/Photos/Previews/The-A-Team-tv-11.jpg

[ubersoldate]

Thats one gun I would love to own...

[Moebrown20]

So how's your's shoot? And what kind of ammo por favor?

I'm expecting 2-3" groups at 100 yards? A lot of guys say 2" is more the norm...?

And the A-Team's mini's look like they're chromed?

Pitty da foo dat don't like da A Team's gunz :coffee:

They aren't "true" ACC556's or even GB's = look at the front sights - they're the civi front sights, so I'm guessing that the movie gun rental place cobbled these together?
http://www.imfdb.org/images/1/14/Mini14gb-f.jpg
Hmmmmm..........
I gotta get that stock for mine!

They used quite a few guns, but that was used the most.

http://www.imfdb.org/index.php?title=The_A-Team#Ruger_Mini_14_Stainless_version_with_Folding_ stock

[alismith]

I think I have the one they're talking about here. Mine's the Mini-Thirty. I have one five-round mag, about 20 ten-rounders, two twenty-rounders, and one thirty-round mag. I like the looks of the ten-round mag the best.

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii37/alismith483/MVC-001F-9.jpg

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii37/alismith483/MVC-002F-11.jpg

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii37/alismith483/MVC-003F-13.jpg

[Moebrown20]

I have a folding stock, but like theirs:

http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t39/moebrown20/P1050036.jpg

[deth502]

So how's your's shoot? And what kind of ammo por favor?

I'm expecting 2-3" groups at 100 yards? A lot of guys say 2" is more the norm...?


ive never papered it, but i have shot at round 12" steel plates at 60-120 yds and have never been able to hit more than about 35% on my best day, which i consider horrible.

and now that i see the pics, yeah, they are definately std "civilian" minis. im sure billy ruger did his damndest to keep those dangerous bayonets and flash hiders away from everyone, including hollywood. ill bet hes spinning in his piss filled grave with ruger now offering a rifle with a dreaded flash hider to anyone, not to mention the hicap mags.

[deth502]

and i see this has turned into a picture thread. i guess im going to have to dig mine out.......

[O.S.O.K.]

Yes, please do.

Now, I read up that they had different twist rates depending on when they were manufactured - and that they used to use a supplier for barrels but switched to their own at some point.

But the twist rate started out 1:10, then changed to 1:7 and then finally to the present 1:9.

Depending on the bullet weight/twist rate and barrel dimensions....etc., they indicated that accuracy was all over the board - some shot really bad and others very respecitibly.

So, what've you got and what have you shot in it? You can find the twist rate with a tight patch - put a mark on the cleaning rod and push in - measure the distance it takes for the mark to make a complete rotation - that's the twist. (in case you didn't know this already... )

If you've got a 1:7" twist barrel and were shooting lighter weight bullet, varmint type loads, it probably wouldn't do very well at all - wanting 55 or 62 grains or more... Conversly, the 1:10 would want lighter bullets...

I've read that the GB models were "nicer or better made" than the civi models - but that may be complete BS.

[O.S.O.K.]

I have a folding stock, but like theirs:

http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t39/moebrown20/P1050036.jpg

Hey Moe - that may not be as pretty as the A-Team's but it gets the job done!

How's your's shoot (and with what kind of ammo?).

[weevil]

The Mini is one of those rifles the gun-snobs love to hate but all the ones I've ever shot seemed like pretty decent rifles.



I've came close to buying one a couple of times but never took the plunge, but maybe someday I'll add one to the collection.

[raxar]

I was looking at a stainless/synthetic 10/22 at cabela's when I got my savage and I have to say they are pretty nice rifles, I really like the synthetic stock.

that said the only real advantage I can see of the mini series is that they make them in stainless, which I prefer in any "serious use" firearm

[deth502]

http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb31/deth502/IMAG0134.jpg
http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb31/deth502/IMAG0133.jpg
http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb31/deth502/IMAG0132.jpg
http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb31/deth502/IMAG0131.jpg

afa the rate of twist, i have no idea, and i never really thought to look. ill have to check that out later.

if tried all kinds of surpluss through it. all 55 and 62 gn, didnt like either very much. and im NOT working up a handload for it. thats my philosophy as far as rifle ammo goes. if its something thats made to be accurate and can be nice to my brass, it gets handloads. if its gonna beat and throw my brass, and not be terribly accurate to boot, i dont wast my time reloading for it, as surpluss can still be found fairly cheap compared to reloading. pistol, otoh, i reload for anything, i have so much brass its just expendable anyway.

btw, i just ound out a few seconds ago taking those pics. i got that bayo i forget where. its a cheap shitty chinese knock off m7 bayonet, but i like the way its all stainlessey and shit, matches the rifle nice. but now i just noticed that the hole is too small to fit over a flash hider. looks like its dremmel time.

[Lysander]

The Mini is one of those rifles the gun-snobs love to hate but all the ones I've ever shot seemed like pretty decent rifles.



I've came close to buying one a couple of times but never took the plunge, but maybe someday I'll add one to the collection.

If they performed better than an AK in either caliber or were significantly cheaper than an AR, or even used a common type of mag, they might be worth it, despite their inaccuracy. Since they don't, I view it as too much money for too little performance.

[Moebrown20]

Hey Moe - that may not be as pretty as the A-Team's but it gets the job done!

How's your's shoot (and with what kind of ammo?).

I haven't shoot it in a few years.
I use wolf 55g and a good day is 2.5" @ 100
I need to bring it out this weekend and get the dust out of it.

[Moebrown20]

http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb31/deth502/IMAG0134.jpg

Yours look more like the A-Team than mine.

[O.S.O.K.]

I haven't shoot it in a few years.
I use wolf 55g and a good day is 2.5" @ 100
I need to bring it out this weekend and get the dust out of it.

With Wolf? That's about the same as my Saiga .223 with Wolf. Not bad at all! :anim_beer-1:

death - that's a good lookin rig! :anim_beer-1:

Lysander - that's excactly why its taken me this long to buy one. But something just snapped or clicked when I saw the budsgunshop listing... maybe they use subliminals on their site! :tinfoil:

[weevil]

If they performed better than an AK in either caliber or were significantly cheaper than an AR, or even used a common type of mag, they might be worth it, despite their inaccuracy. Since they don't, I view it as too much money for too little performance.



That's nice, but I still wouldn't mind having one if the price was right.




They look kinda cool. :cool:






I do agree about the mags though, if they used AR mags I'd probably already have one.

[HDR]

That is nice but it needs the side folder.

Why??

Folders are good, but for shooting stocks are better.... ;)

[AKTexas]

Why??

Folders are good, but for shooting stocks are better.... ;)

the ATeam folder.

[Schuetzenman]

I've been telling myslef that I don't need one of these....

http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/images/Mini%2014%20Wood%20ss.jpg

Old School LEO mini-14... Nebraska State Poleece.
$499 Shipped to your ffl.

CDNN has several OEM mags for sale too....

Tempting.... very tempting.

Yes, the fsb is placed such so that the bayo lug is usable.... slobber slobber.

So you want a noise maker that is incapable of hitting anything past 50 yards ....... fascinating! Why you think the A-Team never killed anybody. ;)

[chiak47]

I'd rather have the PC9

http://gungallery.euweb.cz/Pict/Ruger%20PC-9.jpg

[Lysander]

Lysander - that's excactly why its taken me this long to buy one. But something just snapped or clicked when I saw the budsgunshop listing... maybe they use subliminals on their site! :tinfoil:

I understand, I like the looks of them as well, it's just everything else about them I dislike. I grew up watching the A-Team and never understood why they never killed anybody, it was only after shooting several Mini-14s that I figured it out.

[HDR]

I grew up watching the A-Team and never understood why they never killed anybody, it was only after shooting several Mini-14s that I figured it out.

A rather clear explanation..

lol

[AKTexas]

I'd rather have the PC9

http://gungallery.euweb.cz/Pict/Ruger%20PC-9.jpg

Are any of those available anymore?

[O.S.O.K.]

Well, time will tell if mine's a shooter or a noise maker :)

But I have to say Lysander, you indicated in another thread that you were happy with your WASR's 4" grouping at 100 yards.... so why is that bad for the mini? Price? They go for around $400 and yes the mags are great and $10 a pop...

This isn't an A-Team thing to me at all - I always thought the A-Team was a silly show. I don't think I wached more than one show all the way through.

I don't know how to explain the attraction other than it looks like a m-14 only chambered for the mouse round or maybe that its a "leo-surp" rifle?

[weevil]

Yeah it does seem kinda funny to hear guys on an AK forum putting down other rifles for not being accurate.


:biggrina:

[AKTexas]

If you leave the mini as is and don't try to make it into an AR.The rifle is fine for what it is.Don't expect to drive nails with it the mini will take down what you shoot at if you do your part.

[Lysander]

Well, time will tell if mine's a shooter or a noise maker :)

But I have to say Lysander, you indicated in another thread that you were happy with your WASR's 4" grouping at 100 yards.... so why is that bad for the mini? Price? They go for around $400 and yes the mags are great and $10 a pop...

I paid $299 for my WASR, and I understood at the time that this was a low quality build thrown together with cheap parts and little skill. I wouldn't pay a dime more than that for one, either. The Mini14 purports to be the exact opposite. And if you want a new Mini 14 with all of the "improvements", you're looking at $600 or more. For the cost of a new Mini14 "Tactical" you could build a far superior AR that takes cheap (and common) mags, is more accurate, etc.

The deal you got on the Mini was damn good, and almost made me jump on it. Then reason bit me in my ass and stopped me cold.

And in defense of my WASR (it being the least accurate rifle I own), it shoots about as well as the most accurate Mini 14 I ever shot.

[weevil]

When you could get a decent AK for $300 or an SKS for under $200 and 7.62 ammo was $75 a case of 1K then yeah I'd agree the Mini wasn't much of a deal.

However with AKs up around the $400-500 mark and SKS's getting close to $400 plus 7.62 ammo almost 4x as much as it was, a Mini for $400 doesn't sound like such a bad deal.


And yeah a Mini "with all the improvements" might run $600 but the only AR you're gonna get for that is a bare-bones stripped down model.


I doubt I'll run out and and get one but I can certainly understand why someone would get one.

[Lysander]

When you could get a decent AK for $300 or an SKS for under $200 and 7.62 ammo was $75 a case of 1K then yeah I'd agree the Mini wasn't much of a deal.

And yeah a Mini "with all the improvements" might run $600 but the only AR you're gonna get for that is a bare-bones stripped down model.


But, since this thread is dealing with the new "Tacitical" minis that's kind of a moot point.

[weevil]

But, since this thread is dealing with the new "Tacitical" minis that's kind of a moot point.




I didn't know the A-Team used the new "Tactical" Minis.



:biggrina:

[O.S.O.K.]

If I find that my specimine isn't capable of very good accuracy, then one thing I will do is check the crown and if its got any obvious flaws or even looks maybe a little off, I'll cut a 45 degree bevel to freshen and true-up the terminus of the rifling. Finish with a light lapping and then take it back and try again.

I was reading that this was one of the causes of some of the bad accuracy in these - hard to believe that a company like Ruger would let that go but aparently its the case...