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AK again
07-12-2010, 08:44 AM
So which do you think is better, the AK47 or America's favorite black rifle, the AR/M16/M4 family? While we're at it, let's discuss 7.62x39 v. 5.56x45, shall we?

filthy phil
07-12-2010, 09:34 AM
just a simple purple shotgun with a chain for a sling

Charliebravo
07-12-2010, 10:29 AM
So which do you think is better, the AK47 or America's favorite black rifle, the AR/M16/M4 family? While we're at it, let's discuss 7.62x39 v. 5.56x45, shall we?You dirty, evil bastard!:duh::wink:

L1A1Rocker
07-12-2010, 11:59 AM
Well, I guess since we can't see the old threads yet we'll just re-create them.

I've been a big AK guy but do to commonality of "stuff" I've crossed to the dark side. Got a no frills 20 in flat-top AR rifle several months ago. Now I'm sitting on a 300 Whisper carbine kit to form 1 into an internally suppressed toy.

Broondog
07-12-2010, 02:04 PM
i will never, EVER own a stinking fucking piece of shit AR! and not even a good one either. :biggrina:

they are worthless pieces of junk IMO.

AK's rule!!!

:ak:

:wootrock:

old Grump
07-12-2010, 08:54 PM
Aint any good if it don't start with M1. Garand, carbine, Thompson.

Zoff12
07-12-2010, 09:09 PM
I am an AR guy but will have to admit the 5.56 can be a bit anemic. The AR would be the "as-near-to-perfect" platform if the 6.8mm round or teh 6.5mm Grendel developed for it would become easier and cheaper to get. Had a little experience with the 6.8mm SPC. A nice round for the AR. Never delt with the Grendel but hear it is a good one as well.

justinsaneok
07-12-2010, 09:24 PM
:clap::bolt:

old Grump
07-12-2010, 09:25 PM
Or the .308 Stoner intended it for.

Yeah, yeah, I am a dinosaur, so sue me.

Actually 6.5 or 6.8 any flavor could sway me. 7MM even better. Wouldn't that make a boogerman wet his pants?

shadow65
07-12-2010, 09:27 PM
I've had multiples of both. I have 1 AK left and a few AR's. I've used an AR for some time as it was my duty weapon on the PD.
I really do not agree to the 5.56 being an under acheiver.There are some devistating loads.
Generally an AR is the more accurate of the two. Certainly at longer distances. An AR is very reliable so long as it is maintained properly.
An AK is reliable regardless of how it is maintained. The 7.62 x 39 round is a good, defensive round.
If I was in a survival situation with limited resources, an AK would definetly be by my side.

El Laton Caliente
07-12-2010, 09:31 PM
LOL!!!

This is a must post!

swampdragon
07-12-2010, 09:44 PM
AK15 man! Sweet.

Zoff12
07-12-2010, 09:49 PM
Or the .308 Stoner intended it for.

Yeah, yeah, I am a dinosaur, so sue me.

Actually 6.5 or 6.8 any flavor could sway me. 7MM even better. Wouldn't that make a boogerman wet his pants?Even better for the ...:zzombie:

Lucenut
07-12-2010, 10:32 PM
The Wolf 7.62 154 Grain softpoints do a nicer job on hogs than the .223 rounds I tried. Granted I only tried the .223 one hunt with green tips. Took 3 good hits to stop a 100lb porker. The 7.62 always drops them with one decent hit. That's how I rate them. But I haven't been hunting yet with the 6.5 Grendel upper I recently built.

imanaknut
07-12-2010, 10:39 PM
ALL RIGHT!!!! After the return of Gunsnet, I get my first thread to delete!!!!!!!!!!

Or maybe just move it to the Roadhouse!!!!!

OK, I will play along, Remington 700 in 30-06..... huh??? I forgot what this thread was about. Oh well.

NAPOTS
07-13-2010, 01:02 AM
I think we need a poll

renegadebuck
07-13-2010, 01:09 AM
I think we need a poll

Shit! Leave Krupski out of this!:biggrin:

Maser**
07-13-2010, 02:41 AM
AK of course. The AR is just an inferrior design and inferrior weapon.

RCS
07-13-2010, 05:20 AM
Well, I'm going to make use of personal experience:

Today, actually, my wife took her AR out, shot it, and after firing about 35 rounds through 'er it jammed--now this may have been a magazine issue, but I don't believe so. I'm going to buy some sturdy PMAGs and see if it will fix this problem.

I haven't cleaned my AK in abut 300/400 rounds, and I don't plan to for a long, long time. It's hard to stop an AK-47.

In any combat situation, I don't want a primary that has any chance of jamming--even if it is because of a magazine.

AK again
07-13-2010, 08:44 AM
Yes, actually, I am a dirty, evil bastard. Still, this post needed to happen, and it was (as it should be) the first post in this forum.You should thank me for restoring order to the universe!

I'm being sorta tempted by the various piston-ARs, until I get to the 5.56. I don't see it as being as all-around useful as something bigger, like the 6.8, 6.5, or 7.62x39 - which has been described as the "perfect" assault rifle round by many.

justinsaneok
07-13-2010, 11:50 AM
I've had multiples of both. I have 1 AK left and a few AR's. I've used an AR for some time as it was my duty weapon on the PD.
I really do not agree to the 5.56 being an under acheiver.There are some devistating loads.
Generally an AR is the more accurate of the two. Certainly at longer distances. An AR is very reliable so long as it is maintained properly.
An AK is reliable regardless of how it is maintained. The 7.62 x 39 round is a good, defensive round.
If I was in a survival situation with limited resources, an AK would definetly be by my side.

I concur.:proudusa:

AKTexas
07-13-2010, 12:10 PM
I like them both.The AK gets the sneers at the range and the AR gets the drools.But when I bring out my long barreled .223 AK it gets looks of awe!Plus it shoots as good as my AR does.

AK-J
07-13-2010, 04:53 PM
I primarly own AKs, but I'm in the process of building an AR. I've got more experience with AKs, so that's what I prefer, but that might change after I get my AR built.:conf44:

swampdragon
07-13-2010, 05:34 PM
I primarly own AKs, but I'm in the process of building an AR. I've got more experience with AKs, so that's what I prefer, but that might change after I get my AR built.:conf44:

I've got more experience with M16s and M4s ....and still prefer the AK.
Funny world.

Ruskiegunlover
07-13-2010, 06:10 PM
don't and WON'T own an ar15. Have enough ammo stockpiled not to have to worry about any 'commonality' issues if tshtf........ar's suck. YUGO ak's rule......as does mosty everything made by the yugos in the firearms world.....

AKTexas
07-13-2010, 06:25 PM
don't and WON'T own an ar15. Have enough ammo stockpiled not to have to worry about any 'commonality' issues if tshtf........ar's suck. YUGO ak's rule......as does mosty everything made buy by the yugos in the firearms world.....

I said that once when I had 13 AK rifles and 2 AK pistols.I'm still wanting one of those Yugo RPK and the Yugo Krink.Just can't find any around my parts.

Dr. Gonzo GED
07-13-2010, 07:34 PM
AR47 1$ th3 1337 c4u4e d341t4 u$3$ 1t!!!!111

Gunreference1
07-13-2010, 09:25 PM
AR47 1$ th3 1337 c4u4e d341t4 u$3$ 1t!!!!111

Forgot my decoder ring today. :wink:

Steve

old Grump
07-13-2010, 09:30 PM
http://www.ar15pro.com/DisplayPic.aspx?PIC=203429

If I was going to swing to the darkside it would have to be something like this. I just can't make myself get away from the 7.62x51.

http://www.neaca.com/images/Garand_Springfield_14623xx_.JPG

So I spent some quality time this afternoon with something that looked a lot like this one. You got some convincing to do before I'm sold on anything starting with AK but I'm open.

RIGHTWINGJOE
07-13-2010, 10:27 PM
:whacky110:
BOTH have their areas where they shine... BOTH have their areas where they suck.:martellate:

That said, I like BOTH! :shootski:

TEN-32
07-13-2010, 10:43 PM
Shit! Leave Krupski out of this!:biggrin:

Fucking hilarious. :biggrina:

ubersoldate
07-14-2010, 02:04 AM
Im an AR guy, but I would have to say the only answer the the AR/AK debate would be to own at LEAST three of each.

L1A1Rocker
07-14-2010, 02:11 AM
Im an AR guy, but I would have to say the only answer the the AR/AK debate would be to own at LEAST three of each.

The best post so far on this thread. Here, here.

Got the AK's coverd - working on the AR's

NewbieAKguy
07-14-2010, 03:01 AM
Im an AR guy, but I would have to say the only answer the the AR/AK debate would be to own at LEAST three of each.

+2. Got the AR already, and no probs with it yet, but AK will be added once funds are available...and I get some input from you guys as to which would I should lean towards first (of many!!).

shadow65
07-14-2010, 10:17 PM
I'm curious to know what caused the malfunction.


Well, I'm going to make use of personal experience:

Today, actually, my wife took her AR out, shot it, and after firing about 35 rounds through 'er it jammed--now this may have been a magazine issue, but I don't believe so. I'm going to buy some sturdy PMAGs and see if it will fix this problem.

I haven't cleaned my AK in abut 300/400 rounds, and I don't plan to for a long, long time. It's hard to stop an AK-47.

In any combat situation, I don't want a primary that has any chance of jamming--even if it is because of a magazine.

AK-J
07-15-2010, 12:37 AM
I've seen both malfunction. Though AR-15s seem to malfunction more often... However, it seems almost all malfunctions are from either crap ammo or crap magazines in both weapons.

Solidus-snake
07-15-2010, 10:53 AM
I have put over 200rds through my AR with no cleaning and zero malfunctions.

I like both and so far both have been very dependable.

I say own at least 1 of each :]

Bluedog
07-15-2010, 10:55 AM
Should I get a 9mm or a .45.

Also, I like 1911, but I here they are outdated and should get a Glock. Is that true?

Bluedog
07-15-2010, 11:01 AM
I have 5 AKs in 4 calibers (7.62, 5.45, .223, .308) and 5 ARs in 3 calibers (.223, .22 [A REAL .22 AR, not a clone] and 6.5)

RCS
07-15-2010, 03:34 PM
I'm curious to know what caused the malfunction.

That darn-dirty Wolf ammo. =D

Really, though. I'm not too sure. This is a new platform to me so I couldn't wrap my head around it. I need to get more trigger time with it so I can find all the kinks.

Bluedog
07-15-2010, 03:38 PM
AK of course. The AR is just an inferrior design and inferrior weapon.

Well folks, Maser has settled this once and for all.

I'm not sure what "inferrior" means, but it cant be the same as inferior, 'cause he could have typed that just as easy.

Dr. Gonzo GED
07-15-2010, 03:40 PM
D31t4 u$3z 4k15.

4K15 p0wnzz0rxxxxzzz!!!111oneone lolol

Dr. Gonzo GED
07-15-2010, 03:42 PM
AK of course. The AR is just an inferrior design and inferrior weapon.

We're talking about usung them for for shooting, not sodomizing stufed animals like you pedo-troll.

raxar
07-16-2010, 06:59 PM
personally I prefer bacon and red heads....

Prometheus168
07-16-2010, 07:09 PM
We can honestly say.. .This has NEVER been discussed on this board before.... LOL!! Ill take my AKM for simple rugged reliability...

Rusty

gpwasr10
07-17-2010, 02:23 AM
i will never, EVER own a stinking fucking piece of shit AR! and not even a good one either. :biggrina:

they are worthless pieces of junk IMO.

AK's rule!!!

:ak:

:wootrock:

Yeah... I remember my first beer...

Maser**
07-17-2010, 02:46 AM
Well folks, Maser has settled this once and for all.

I'm not sure what "inferrior" means, but it cant be the same as inferior, 'cause he could have typed that just as easy.

You know what it means. If not see Moe's list. I am SOOOOO glad you agree with me though.

Dr. Gonzo GED
07-20-2010, 02:58 PM
You know what it means. If not see Moe's list. I am SOOOOO glad you agree with me though.

I'm glad that you're glad.

Now why don't you play hide and go fuck yourself?

abpt1
07-20-2010, 03:07 PM
So which do you think is better, the AK47 or America's favorite black rifle, the AR/M16/M4 family? While we're at it, let's discuss 7.62x39 v. 5.56x45, shall we?
http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s298/abpt1/33962.jpg

AKTexas
07-20-2010, 04:00 PM
So what is wrong with the M14?

Paladin
07-21-2010, 02:24 AM
It has a lot to do with the type of shooting done and the type of shooter. The topic is subjective. I prefer an AR for the kind of shooter I am and the kind of shooting I do. With provisos. Piston operated with 6.5 Grendel chamber and currently non-existent polymer magazines (by Magpul?) designed specifically for the round would be ideal for me. The AR is a much more flexible platform for a build.

That said, if I were "visiting" Afghanistan, I would sport a full beard, wear a pakul, and tote an AKM... And have a hell of a good time.

Paladin
07-21-2010, 02:33 AM
So what is wrong with the M14?

Not a thing. Especially now that Beta makes a C-Mag for it.

Better yet, what's wrong with the M60 A3?

http://www.scottsdalegunclub.com/mga/images/m60.jpg

ATAK, Inc.
07-21-2010, 10:09 AM
personally I prefer bacon and red heads....

Nothing like hitting the nail on the head!!!

Back to the topic at hand. Both!!!

Right now, I have just one AR, a DPMS M4 flat-top with an EOtech, she was a police trade in, maybe 200 rounds thru her, still very tight, zero wobble between upper and lower, chrome bolt/carrier.

On the AK side, got my trusty SAR-1, re-done into a AK-103 with a Kobra. Also, a WASR-2, like new. In the works is a Polish underfolder, a Romy "G", and my favorite one to build, a Bulgy AK-74 that will be configured into a Khyber pass type rifle.

Bottom line, This will make the zombie's puke up little Suzie in a New York minute!
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll144/SVD1843/DSC03550.jpg

AKTexas
07-21-2010, 10:32 AM
Not a thing. Especially now that Beta makes a C-Mag for it.

Better yet, what's wrong with the M60 A3?

http://www.scottsdalegunclub.com/mga/images/m60.jpg

Now that is a weapon!

American Rage
07-21-2010, 02:04 PM
AR47 1$ th3 1337 c4u4e d341t4 u$3$ 1t!!!!111

Attempted Gonzo translation:

AR47 is the 1ee7? c4u4e? delta4? uses it!!!!111

Who else wants a crack at decphering his giberish!

lol


Rage

American Rage
07-21-2010, 02:07 PM
D31t4 u$3z 4k15.

4K15 p0wnzz0rxxxxzzz!!!111oneone lolol

Second semi-translation of Gonzo's giberish:

Delta uses ak15.

Ak15 Ownes 0rxxxxzzz!!!oneone Hahahaha


Rage

Lysander
07-21-2010, 02:25 PM
I like both, I'll use both as the situation dictates. Because of my long term familiarity with the AK, and training dedicated to its use, I'll always have an AK as my "go to" weapon for sake of familiarity.

Dr. Gonzo GED
07-21-2010, 02:32 PM
Attempted Gonzo translation:

AR47 is the 1ee7? c4u4e? delta4? uses it!!!!111

Who else wants a crack at decphering his giberish!

lol


Rage

n00b. ;P

American Rage
07-21-2010, 02:36 PM
Okay, now for my answer: I can't say which is the best, but I can tell my experience of owning both.

Fact is that I got my first AR in 1989, four have passed through my hands since.

Got an AK after originally coming to this board goodness knows how many years ago.

The AK was designed to be both super simple as well as extremely rugged. It'll damn sure put a hurting on whatever living thing it hits. I hated the sights, which are rudimentary. Of course, I've always believed that with my eyesight I need all the help I can get. I hated the length of pull. Of course, I have extra long arms for my heighth. The safety drove me nuts as I hate to ever take my finger off the trigger, and hate even more to remove it from the grip. And you want to talk about loud? The AKs safety/dust cover could never be silenced. Worse yet, it seemed to group minute of large trash lid angle at 100 yards. Groupings of 18" were common. Admitedly, my eyesight may have played a role in the gun's accuracy.

Still, it was simple, rugged, and reliable. Ammo was cheap, mags were too and plentiful as well. Knowing that most "kills" in combat (at least before modern optics) were at less than 100 yards, the AKs short comings didn't really bother me. In fact, I liked to pretend it was a super magnumized M1 carbine, just cheaper and more reliable. And that's a good thing in anybody's book!

ARs rock! I don't care what anybody says! ARs are everything the AK isn't. I call it 'refinement.' I greatly prefer its length of pull. Its battlesights are superior in every way. And the ARs ergonomics are also far superior to the AK. Yeah, it may not be as reliable or rugged as an an AK. But don't kid yourself, a properly maintain AR is very reliable, and rugged enough to boot. Also, I should be intelligent enough to carry spares and pre-maintain my weapon before anything wears out. The end result is orange to grapefruit sized groups at 100 yards. A vast improvement over my AK groupings. The 5.56/.223s trajectory is such that I feel there's an actual chance that I could hit a target 200 or even 300 yards out from my position. The AK never came close to giving me that chance. Sure, traditionally, most kills have been at 100 yards or less, but when you need more distance it's sure nice to have.

In the end, it's a bit of a trade-off in my eyes. Although I didn't choose a weapon that is will virtually never fail because it was built for illiterates, often on the left side of the IQ scale, and thus semi-destruction proof. Instead, I did get a rifle that is still very reliable, and much more accurate in my hands. Thus giving me the potential to kill an enemy from a much greater distance. And the ability to read means I can maintain it myself. History proves that when you can hit your enemy and he can't hit back you're most likely going to win.

And that's why I'd personally choose the AR15.


Rage

American Rage
07-21-2010, 02:38 PM
n00b. ;P

Damn it!!!!!!!


Rage

swampdragon
07-21-2010, 05:30 PM
Okay, now for my answer: I can't say which is the best, but I can tell my experience of owning both.

Fact is that I got my first AR in 1989, four have passed through my hands since.

Got an AK after originally coming to this board goodness knows how many years ago.

The AK was designed to be both super simple as well as extremely rugged. It'll damn sure put a hurting on whatever living thing it hits. I hated the sights, which are rudimentary. Of course, I've always believed that with my eyesight I need all the help I can get. I hated the length of pull. Of course, I have extra long arms for my heighth. The safety drove me nuts as I hate to ever take my finger off the trigger, and hate even more to remove it from the grip. And you want to talk about loud? The AKs safety/dust cover could never be silenced. Worse yet, it seemed to group minute of large trash lid angle at 100 yards. Groupings of 18" were common. Admitedly, my eyesight may have played a role in the gun's accuracy.

Still, it was simple, rugged, and reliable. Ammo was cheap, mags were too and plentiful as well. Knowing that most "kills" in combat (at least before modern optics) were at less than 100 yards, the AKs short comings didn't really bother me. In fact, I liked to pretend it was a super magnumized M1 carbine, just cheaper and more reliable. And that's a good thing in anybody's book!

ARs rock! I don't care what anybody says! ARs are everything the AK isn't. I call it 'refinement.' I greatly prefer its length of pull. Its battlesights are superior in every way. And the ARs ergonomics are also far superior to the AK. Yeah, it may not be as reliable or rugged as an an AK. But don't kid yourself, a properly maintain AR is very reliable, and rugged enough to boot. Also, I should be intelligent enough to carry spares and pre-maintain my weapon before anything wears out. The end result is orange to grapefruit sized groups at 100 yards. A vast improvement over my AK groupings. The 5.56/.223s trajectory is such that I feel there's an actual chance that I could hit a target 200 or even 300 yards out from my position. The AK never came close to giving me that chance. Sure, traditionally, most kills have been at 100 yards or less, but when you need more distance it's sure nice to have.

In the end, it's a bit of a trade-off in my eyes. Although I didn't choose a weapon that is will virtually never fail because it was built for illiterates, often on the left side of the IQ scale, and thus semi-destruction proof. Instead, I did get a rifle that is still very reliable, and much more accurate in my hands. Thus giving me the potential to kill an enemy from a much greater distance. And the ability to read means I can maintain it myself. History proves that when you can hit your enemy and he can't hit back you're most likely going to win.

And that's why I'd personally choose the AR15.


Rage

18" groups @ 100?
Wow.
Were you using the cheapest AK available and the worst ammo you could find?

AKTexas
07-21-2010, 05:33 PM
The worst groups I have had with my AK at 100 was 4-5" with crap ammo.Standard groups are 2-3" all day long and even better with the Krebs peep sight.

swampdragon
07-21-2010, 05:43 PM
Not a thing. Especially now that Beta makes a C-Mag for it.

Better yet, what's wrong with the M60 A3?

http://www.scottsdalegunclub.com/mga/images/m60.jpg

I dunno man.
I carried a Pig back in the early 80's for a while.
It would wear your ass out humpin' it all day, and it had some reliability issues too.

swampdragon
07-21-2010, 05:45 PM
The worst groups I have had with my AK at 100 was 4-5" with crap ammo.Standard groups are 2-3" all day long and even better with the Krebs peep sight.

That's a good analysis. That's about what mine does too with cheap Wolf hollow-points.
I likewise have a Krebs sight, and also an Aimpoint too.
So I'm sure that helps...

American Rage
07-21-2010, 05:59 PM
18" groups @ 100?
Wow.
Were you using the cheapest AK available and the worst ammo you could find?

Saiga with wolf ammo. Of course, it had been converted by Hesse. That probably explains alot.


Rage

AKTexas
07-21-2010, 06:02 PM
That's a good analysis. That's about what mine does too with cheap Wolf hollow-points.
I likewise have a Krebs sight, and also an Aimpoint too.
So I'm sure that helps...

The Krebs is by far the best aftermarket item I could have added to my AK.


Saiga with wolf ammo. Of course, it had been converted by Hesse. That probably explains alot.


Rage

Hesse has such a bad reputation.A friend of mine told me he has a 74' with a welded rear trunnion and plastic rivets for appearance.

American Rage
07-21-2010, 10:58 PM
The Krebs is by far the best aftermarket item I could have added to my AK.



Hesse has such a bad reputation.A friend of mine told me he has a 74' with a welded rear trunnion and plastic rivets for appearance.

No, it was simply a rough conversion from Saiga politically correct hunting rifle to AK47. They used the strangest forward stock that had nothing what so ever to do with any other AK ever sold in the world! There were other issues as well. However, as a super-magnumized M1 carbine type weapon, I like the AK a whole bunch. Still, I prefer the AR. Still, I've often wondered if an AK 74 might not be in my future.

Rage

swampdragon
07-22-2010, 03:15 AM
No, it was simply a rough conversion from Saiga politically correct hunting rifle to AK47. They used the strangest forward stock that had nothing what so ever to do with any other AK ever sold in the world! There were other issues as well. However, as a super-magnumized M1 carbine type weapon, I like the AK a whole bunch. Still, I prefer the AR. Still, I've often wondered if an AK 74 might not be in my future.

Rage

Well...all I can say is this:
I used M16s and M4s for 20 years.
If you shoot better with them than you do with an AK, then stick with it.
Obviously the AK is not for you.
"Although," Hesse is the worst of the worst.
So maybe, you'd change your mind with a better AK.

I've never seen an AK yet that was 100% perfect in every way, but still...I'm willing to bet if you picked up a milled Bulgarian...you'd never look back.

Vorkutinetz
07-22-2010, 11:40 AM
MOSIN 9130 with the bayonet on is the way to go!!!!!

For the sake of throwing a few more kicks at this poor dead horsie...I had both, now I have one left and it comes in 7.62X39 and hails from Chris Butler at AKUSA. Love that rifle...it is so freaking evil that I have to keep it locked up at night or it will do the unthinkable to all the children in my neighborhood....

Paladin
07-22-2010, 12:27 PM
I've never seen an AK yet that was 100% perfect in every way, but still...I'm willing to bet if you picked up a milled Bulgarian...you'd never look back.

Swampy...I'm not up to speed on recent AK stuff. Where's the best place to look for the best people and stuff? Thanks.

AKTexas
07-22-2010, 12:53 PM
Swampy...I'm not up to speed on recent AK stuff. Where's the best place to look for the best people and stuff? Thanks.

Krebs builds a nice if not overly priced AK rifle.Check out Red Jacket Arms or Red Stick Arms same company.They did my Saiga .223 conversion. Good work decent turn around too.

http://www.redstick-firearms.com/

American Rage
07-22-2010, 03:22 PM
Well...all I can say is this:
I used M16s and M4s for 20 years.
If you shoot better with them than you do with an AK, then stick with it.
Obviously the AK is not for you.
"Although," Hesse is the worst of the worst.
So maybe, you'd change your mind with a better AK.

I've never seen an AK yet that was 100% perfect in every way, but still...I'm willing to bet if you picked up a milled Bulgarian...you'd never look back.

I've bought my last caliber for a while.

Still, I'll admit the fact that no other AK accessories would fit on my AK prejudiced me toward my particular AK.

And I occasionally think about buying an AK 74.


Rage

Paladin
07-22-2010, 05:05 PM
Krebs builds a nice if not overly priced AK rifle.Check out Red Jacket Arms or Red Stick Arms same company.They did my Saiga .223 conversion. Good work decent turn around too.

http://www.redstick-firearms.com/

Thanks, just got off their site...

swampdragon
07-22-2010, 05:12 PM
Swampy...I'm not up to speed on recent AK stuff. Where's the best place to look for the best people and stuff? Thanks.

I'll agree with TEX that Krebs does some nice builds.

My personal rifle is an older Arsenal SLR95 that I fixed up.
It's been sweet.
They are only available "used" now when you can find them.
However, I'm still a sucker for milled receivers over stamped.

Paladin
07-22-2010, 08:57 PM
I'll agree with TEX that Krebs does some nice builds.

My personal rifle is an older Arsenal SLR95 that I fixed up.
It's been sweet.
They are only available "used" now when you can find them.
However, I'm still a sucker for milled receivers over stamped.

If you can steer me to some intell on milled receivers and what you comsider to be "the proper" AK it would be appreciated. Who, what, why... Save me the process of trial and error. I am thinking about an AK/7.62x39.

Thanks.

swampdragon
07-23-2010, 03:46 AM
If you can steer me to some intell on milled receivers and what you comsider to be "the proper" AK it would be appreciated. Who, what, why... Save me the process of trial and error. I am thinking about an AK/7.62x39.

Thanks.

Arsenal Inc. in Vegas.
Period.

Milled receiver versions like the Sa m7 or older SLR95/96 you may find used in gun stores.
I'm a HUGE fan of the Bulgarian AKs.
I seriously just don't think they get any better.

My old SLR95 went from this to this.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v648/Swampdragon/754526b6.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v648/Swampdragon/scan0011.jpg

I'll NEVER sell it. Never trade it. Never give it up.
It's the best rifle I've ever owned in my life.
The AR15 may be 1 to 1.5" more accurate at 100 meters...but so what?
This thing always goes bang and the accuracy is still superb for an AK.
Hell the combat accuracy is still superb for ANY combat rifle.

Paladin
07-23-2010, 05:19 AM
Arsenal Inc. in Vegas.
Period..

Roger that. Arsenal Inc via Las Vegas...

Thanks.

Dr. Gonzo GED
07-23-2010, 12:09 PM
If you can steer me to some intell on milled receivers and what you comsider to be "the proper" AK it would be appreciated. Who, what, why... Save me the process of trial and error. I am thinking about an AK/7.62x39.

Thanks.

"The Fireing Line" makes a milled Ak that is one of the tighest I've ever seen. A real piece of work man!

http://www.firinglineoklahoma.com/akreceivers.html

Paladin
07-23-2010, 12:25 PM
"The Fireing Line" makes a milled Ak that is one of the tighest I've ever seen. A real piece of work man!

http://www.firinglineoklahoma.com/akreceivers.html

Ja, ja. Dem are purty.

Dr. Gonzo GED
07-23-2010, 12:42 PM
Ja, ja. Dem are purty.

If you find one at a shop, be sure to inspect it in person. The internals are fitted like clockwork. I've never seen the like, even from Bulgaria or Russia. It's the QC that AK always needed, but never got.

American Rage
07-23-2010, 01:47 PM
"The Fireing Line" makes a milled Ak that is one of the tighest I've ever seen. A real piece of work man!

http://www.firinglineoklahoma.com/akreceivers.html

I was really excited, until I saw the prices.


Rage

HDR
07-24-2010, 05:59 AM
I'm being sorta tempted by the various piston-ARs, until I get to the 5.56. I don't see it as being as all-around useful as something bigger, like the 6.8, 6.5, or 7.62x39 - which has been described as the "perfect" assault rifle round by many.


http://www.defensereview.com/the-big-m4-myth-fouling-caused-by-the-direct-impingement-gas-system-makes-the-m4-unreliable/

Guys with DI systems will need to avoid those 2400 round firefights. As they will need a truck to haul the 2400 rounds getting out of Dodge will be much easier.

The trick is get the buffer and spring right.

ready
07-24-2010, 07:03 AM
That's where the R.E. in S.E.R.E. comes in handy.