2nd defense the o couldn't have seen coming.

[Gunner1558]

The o certainly didn't see this coming!


http://WWW.youtube.com/embed/9RABZq5IoaQ?feature=player_embedded

[cevulirn]

Well spoken.

[s15v8]

Excellent!

[l921428x]

the aca, nsa, fast and furious, is all about control. when they take our guns then they will take our God. this means we will have to cower to "the man" or .gov.
we need more of these americans to stand up and be visible in their communities.

[Schuetzenman]

Jesse and Al will call them Toms. They aren't toeing the party line ... HOW DARE THEY!

[Kadmos]

Of course they didn't see it coming, the history he gave is basically nonsense.

The NRA wasn't founded to get guns to freed slaves, it was founded as a marksmanship club, then morphed into a sporting club, not really becoming a civil rights organization until 1977.

I really don't get why both sides seem to want to make the NRA into something it wasn't. No, it wasn't founded by the KKK. But no, it wasn't founded to fight the KKK either.

Likely some members at various times were (and are) members of the KKK, and many members are also for equal rights and belong to organizations dedicated to that goal.

What he is likely referring to is Robert F. Williams, who got an NRA charter together in the late 1950's to promote marksmanship in his area to attempt to keep the KKK at bay, which he called The Black Armed Guard. It's doubtful the NRA even knew it was a black club, and they certainly didn't give him the charter with the idea of him fighting the KKK with it. It was just another marksmanship club to them. His widow even said had the NRA known they were black they likely would have pulled the charter.

BTW, Williams probably wasn't someone most people would want to support. He left America for Cuba and called for armed revolt of black members in the Armed forces to stop the blockade of the Cuban missile crisis. Then went on to Hanoi to call for insurrection against the US, and congratulated China for making it's first, what he called, "Freedom bomb", joining the club of nuclear powers. Then he went on to live in China for some time before returning to the US.

[l921428x]

Of course they didn't see it coming, the history he gave is basically nonsense.

The NRA wasn't founded to get guns to freed slaves, it was founded as a marksmanship club, then morphed into a sporting club, not really becoming a civil rights organization until 1977.

I really don't get why both sides seem to want to make the NRA into something it wasn't. No, it wasn't founded by the KKK. But no, it wasn't founded to fight the KKK either.

Likely some members at various times were (and are) members of the KKK, and many members are also for equal rights and belong to organizations dedicated to that goal.

What he is likely referring to is Robert F. Williams, who got an NRA charter together in the late 1950's to promote marksmanship in his area to attempt to keep the KKK at bay, which he called The Black Armed Guard. It's doubtful the NRA even knew it was a black club, and they certainly didn't give him the charter with the idea of him fighting the KKK with it. It was just another marksmanship club to them. His widow even said had the NRA known they were black they likely would have pulled the charter.

BTW, Williams probably wasn't someone most people would want to support. He left America for Cuba and called for armed revolt of black members in the Armed forces to stop the blockade of the Cuban missile crisis. Then went on to Hanoi to call for insurrection against the US, and congratulated China for making it's first, what he called, "Freedom bomb", joining the club of nuclear powers. Then he went on to live in China for some time before returning to the US.

doesn't matter it is the perception.
not all white people hung niggers in the front yard or burned crosses in the back yard.
people in the north during the 50/60s were bigger segregationist than in the south. go figure.
propaganda you dummie.

[silentkilla]

doesn't matter it is the perception.
not all white people hung niggers in the front yard or burned crosses in the back yard.
people in the north during the 50/60s were bigger segregationist than in the south. go figure.
propaganda you dummie.
even way back when they were slaves the north had alot more to do with slavery than the south did.

[l921428x]

Jesse and Al will call them Toms. They aren't toeing the party line ... HOW DARE THEY!

YES propaganda you dummies.
no different than mao lenin stalin ahlinski Obama hillory and who ever is the next SLAVE master.
thought,money,property
any is all
sometimes I feel the fool on this forum but
there are all kinds of men and too little women here.
the democratic party is all propaganda, we have been under this for years
and kadmos the history he gave WAS his, not yours where your wife or mother could say "oh no it wasn't that way"

the democratic party started the war of aggression. civil war to you dumbasses.
the democratic party fought the civil rights act of 1964
the democratic party gave you Vietnam.
the democratic party now gives you obama
the democratic party now gives you obamacare

welcome massa, please don't beat me again................FOOLS..........

[imanaknut]

Just watched that video. Nice to see some Americans are waking up.

How many people realize the true reason for the 1934 NFA? Like all other propaganda, the reason published was not the reason it was written. The published reason was because of the criminal use of most specifically the Thompson sub-machine gun, but the real reason was that most people could not afford the $200 tax for the "right" to own that weapon. And who were the "poor" people back then? By coincidence pretty much the same poor people today.

Unfortunately today not only do we have pure propaganda spewing forth from the government, but they now fully own the news media who are more than happy to repeat the lies.

Right now there are firearm laws in a couple of states and several cities that threaten the very fabric of this fragile democratic republic. So far they have played out with out any blood shed that we know about. And with the news media in the back pocket of the criminals in our government, if someone was to stand up for his/her constitutional rights, he or she would immediately be branded as a kook and not the true patriot that he or she really is/was.

[N/A]

Well, let us get the whole reason the NRA was founded out there....shall we?

NRA History
The NRA was founded shortly after the American Civil War by Union Army officers who were appalled by the lack of shooting skills among the Union soldiers during the war and determined to correct this problem by encouraging the shooting sports and marksmanship among the general population, including former slaves in the former slave states. This made the NRA very unpopular in the former slaves states and the NRA was considered an enemy by the Ku Klux Klan.

Union Army Col. William C. Church and Gen. George Wingate are the officially listed founders of the NRA. They were granted a charter from the state of New York on November 17, 1871. The first NRA president was Ambrose E. Burnside, a commander of the Army of the Potomac. Former US President Ulysses S. Grant, who had enacted the 1871 law declaring the Ku Klux Klan to be an illegal terrorist organisation, was elected president of the National Rifle Association in 1883. Nine of the NRA's first ten presidents had fought against slavery during the Civil War. Including: Gen. Winfield Scott Hancock, Gen. Phillip Sheridan. During Reconstruction, Gen. Sheridan removed hundreds of local officials from office in Louisiana and Texas for violating the rights of former slaves and for failing to enforce laws for their protection.

[Kadmos]

and kadmos the history he gave WAS his, not yours where your wife or mother could say "oh no it wasn't that way"


If history means "made up story" to you, that's fine. I understand history can be a bit subjective. But it should at least be backed up by some sort of facts. We know the story of the founding of the NRA. It's the same basic story the NRA uses when it tells it's own history.

Nothing in it was founded to help former slaves defend themselves.

It's simply not accurate.


Something that is accurate....The NRA was founded by William Conant Church and General George Wood Wingate. Both Union soldiers in the civil war. Its first president was Civil War Union General Ambrose Burnside.



the democratic party started the war of aggression. civil war to you dumbasses.

Who now? I had thought Lincoln was a Republican ;)

[Kadmos]

Thank you N/A,

The founders of the NRA had only one thought on gun control, the literal one of being able to hit the target.

Nothing more, nothing less.

It wasn't a social or political organization, it was one that promoted marksmanship.

Not white people trying to keep the black man down, nor white people trying to show the black man how to keep the KKK at bay, just marksmanship.

Nowadays it's different, it does try to protect the 2nd, back then, not so much, just marksmanship

[Schuetzenman]

Thank you N/A,

The founders of the NRA had only one thought on gun control, the literal one of being able to hit the target.

Nothing more, nothing less.

It wasn't a social or political organization, it was one that promoted marksmanship.

Not white people trying to keep the black man down, nor white people trying to show the black man how to keep the KKK at bay, just marksmanship.

Nowadays it's different, it does try to protect the 2nd, back then, not so much, just marksmanship

Typical liberal spin doctoring! You never fail to deliver on low expectations.

[l921428x]

Thank you N/A,

The founders of the NRA had only one thought on gun control, the literal one of being able to hit the target.

Nothing more, nothing less.

It wasn't a social or political organization, it was one that promoted marksmanship.

Not white people trying to keep the black man down, nor white people trying to show the black man how to keep the KKK at bay, just marksmanship.

Nowadays it's different, it does try to protect the 2nd, back then, not so much, just marksmanship

sorry Kad. but sometimes your lack of intuition or fore thought in matters confuses me. and I consider myself to be stupid.

[l921428x]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Rifle_Association

[Ruskiegunlover]

Not to argue with so scholarly a source as Wikipedia....but.....



......wikipedia is a source?

I think the idea of the NRA being at least partially a civil rights organization from the beginning is obvious. Started by republicans to PROMOTE SHOOTING AND FIREARMS with civilians. Started by the same republicans who ENDED SLAVERY.....And opposed by the same DIMS who passed gun control in the south to KEEP FREED SLAVES FROM OWNING GUNS.....


Pretty obvious to me.

[l921428x]

http://www.newrepublic.com/article/112322/gun-control-racism-and-nra-history

http://www.nrahq.org/history.asp

it is a source and if you read most of the sites on a search they pretty much all read the same. http://www.policymic.com/articles/23929/10-surprising-facts-about-the-nra-that-you-never-hear

just sayin

do I think the goa is better, maybe.

jpfo, I feel the same.