Excessive force or "out of control"?

[JTHunter]

After hearing on the news earlier today about Pennsylvania police firing over 100 rounds at 2 unarmed men (couldn't find a link), then reading the following story, you have to wonder.

This is NOT intended to denigrate those officers who do not engage in actions such as these but to ask "Why?" the LEOs involved in these incidents aren't disciplined in some matter.

Toddler severely burned in drug raid in Georgia
http://news.yahoo.com/toddler-severely-burned-drug-raid-georgia-174914431.html

[l921428x]

the one in Georgia i know some of.

the guy they were going after was so violent that the cops got a no knock warrant. they busted down the door and threw in the flash/bang.
they had no indication that there were children inside the home, from past or present watching.

the device landed near the face of the child and exploded, we are hearing that it is 50/50 for the child.

whoever put the child in that situation is to blame.

[Kadmos]

From the article on the burned kid


In an interview with investigators, the toddler's mother said she knew methamphetamine was being sold out of the home and tried to keep her four children away from any drugs or drug activity

The situation sucks, and it certainly isn't the kids fault, but frankly, I wonder if it wouldn't be justice for the cops to sue the mother for emotional distress!

[l921428x]

yep.

[5.56NATO]

The answer is to make sure the officers and command are held personaly responsible for what they do. If a child is harmed in a raid they should all be charged with that level of child abuse.
If they raid the "wrong" address they should be charged with armed burglary, asault with deadly weapons, attempted murder, kidnapping, etc.

Time in prison, asset forfeiture, retirements, everything should be on the table for officers to pay for their crimes, not just their dept or city/county.

[1 Patriot-of-many]

The answer is to make sure the officers and command are held personaly responsible for what they do. If a child is harmed in a raid they should all be charged with that level of child abuse.
If they raid the "wrong" address they should be charged with armed burglary, asault with deadly weapons, attempted murder, kidnapping, etc.

Time in prison, asset forfeiture, retirements, everything should be on the table for officers to pay for their crimes, not just their dept or city/county.^ This, you can be sure they would think twice of drawing and firing on the wrong people if they actually had real skin in the game instead of paid vacations and the usual expected exoneration by their peers. And before our friends in blue or Kadmos the boot licker talk about how dangerous police work is, look up the stats. Their occupation is behind even truck drivers and many more. about 10th IIRC.

[1 Patriot-of-many]

From the article on the burned kid



The situation sucks, and it certainly isn't the kids fault, but frankly, I wonder if it wouldn't be justice for the cops to sue the mother for emotional distress!Amazing you can turn it 180 degrees. The militarization of the police is to blame along with the nonsensical drug war. It's lead to so many abuses by LE, Judges, prosecutors. It's led to destruction of the 4th, 5th and 2nd amendment on a scale that will never be rolled back.

[Krupski]

^ This, you can be sure they would think twice of drawing and firing on the wrong people if they actually had real skin in the game instead of paid vacations and the usual expected exoneration by their peers. And before our friends in blue or Kadmos the boot licker talk about how dangerous police work is, look up the stats. Their occupation is behind even truck drivers and many more. about 10th IIRC.


Police work is dangerous... VERY dangerous....


(for us).

[Kadmos]

Amazing you can turn it 180 degrees. The militarization of the police is to blame along with the nonsensical drug war. It's lead to so many abuses by LE, Judges, prosecutors. It's led to destruction of the 4th, 5th and 2nd amendment on a scale that will never be rolled back.

Oh, I think the drug war is stupid.

But, as long as those drugs are illegal, the smart thing to do is keep your kids out of the line of fire.

And it's not just the cops that are the problem, letting fucking meth heads wander around your kids is insane.

Is anyone unaware that cops raid meth houses? Is anyone unaware that cops use flash bangs or come in hard sometimes? Knowing that, don't you think it might be wise to not have your kids in a meth house?



Their occupation is behind even truck drivers and many more. about 10th IIRC.

With number one being what...drug dealer...meth cook?

Part of the reason it isn't as dangerous is because they mitigate the risk with the tactics they use. Flash bangs save lives, but on rare occasion things can go terribly wrong.


Do you think the cops are laughing over this? I imagine they feel horrible about what happened. This certainly was never the intent

[Silentkilla01]

The answer is to make sure the officers and command are held personaly responsible for what they do. If a child is harmed in a raid they should all be charged with that level of child abuse.
If they raid the "wrong" address they should be charged with armed burglary, asault with deadly weapons, attempted murder, kidnapping, etc.

Time in prison, asset forfeiture, retirements, everything should be on the table for officers to pay for their crimes, not just their dept or city/county.
Personally I've seen what meth can do to someone or an entire family. So now when a cop is really trying to do his job. And someone accidentally gets hurt in the process it's the cops fault? I'm with Kad on this guys. The mother knew what was going on in the house. She should have never had her kids around this and further more she is the one that should be charged with the following as mentioned......

[5.56NATO]

Personally I've seen what meth can do to someone or an entire family. So now when a cop is really trying to do his job. And someone accidentally gets hurt in the process it's the cops fault? I'm with Kad on this guys. The mother knew what was going on in the house. She should have never had her kids around this and further more she is the one that should be charged with the following as mentioned......

So you think they should get raises, paid time off, and promotions?
Noted.


How do you feel about Lon Horiuchi?

[1 Patriot-of-many]

So you think they should get raises, paid time off, and promotions?
Noted.


How do you feel about Lon Horiuchi?Good question....After all that bastard after being entrapped by the ATF, His kids dog being shot, then his son being shot shooting the fucker that had no warrant and a submachinegun on private property, should've just given up..After all he just wanted to live with his own race and he wouldn't spy for the gov't...Hey women holding babies deserving headshots, I'm with Kadmos on this one.......

[5.56NATO]

An officer from the Brunswick County Sheriff’s Office and another from the Boiling Spring Lakes police department showed up to the house soon after. Eventually, a third officer from the Southport police department entered the home as well, and ordered the use of tasers to subdue Vidal. According to Wilsey, Vidal was pinned on the ground by two of the officers when a third said, “we don’t have time for this,” and shot Vidal, killing him.

http://dailycaller.com/2014/01/05/parents-call-police-for-help-cops-show-up-and-kill-their-18-year-old-son/#ixzz33LwyO7ar

What in the f.....

[5.56NATO]

Henry Magee, a 28-year-old Texan who accidentally shot and killed a police officer during a no-knock raid on his home, will not be indicted on murder charges, according to a grand jury.

Burleson County police raided Magee’s home in December after receiving a tip from an informant that he was in possession of drugs. Five pounds of marijuana were found the premises.

Police did not knock before entering the home, and they executed the search before sunrise, when it was still dark outside. Magee’s lawyer told the grand jury that his client thought the police were burglars, and he fired his gun to protect his girlfriend, who was pregnant. The bullet struck and killed Deputy Adam Sowders.
http://dailycaller.com/2014/02/10/man-who-shot-cop-during-raid-thought-he-was-defending-pregnant-girlfriend-from-robbers/#ixzz33Lxps6Id

[Aggressive Perfector]

Officers out of control? Never...



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhHm7Tujca4

[Kadmos]

An officer from the Brunswick County Sheriff’s Office and another from the Boiling Spring Lakes police department showed up to the house soon after. Eventually, a third officer from the Southport police department entered the home as well, and ordered the use of tasers to subdue Vidal. According to Wilsey, Vidal was pinned on the ground by two of the officers when a third said, “we don’t have time for this,” and shot Vidal, killing him.

http://dailycaller.com/2014/01/05/parents-call-police-for-help-cops-show-up-and-kill-their-18-year-old-son/#ixzz33LwyO7ar

What in the f.....

The officer who shot the kid has already been indicted and is on unpaid leave awaiting trial.

[l921428x]

tripe. what does any of the other have to do with the op.
library of congress has many books and stories.

[jet3534]

the one in Georgia i know some of.

the guy they were going after was so violent that the cops got a no knock warrant. they busted down the door and threw in the flash/bang.
they had no indication that there were children inside the home, from past or present watching.

the device landed near the face of the child and exploded, we are hearing that it is 50/50 for the child.

whoever put the child in that situation is to blame.

No, the police are to blame. Tossing in the flash bang grenade without knowing who is in the room is a despicable act. The guy they were going after was a low level drug dealer, not some modern day Billy the Kid. Don't think for a minute this can't happen to you. Reference the link below describing how the police conducted a dynamic entry against a family that was totally innocent of a crime. The basis for the dynamic entry warrant was the fact that the husband and wife had concealed carry permits, i.e., THEY OWNED GUNS and therefore might be violent. Think about the ramification of this to you or the rest of us posting here. With the possible exception of two people posting here, I think all of us probably own guns.

http://reason.com/blog/2011/03/23/fourth-circuit-denies-qualifie

[Silentkilla01]

So you think they should get raises, paid time off, and promotions?
Noted.


How do you feel about Lon Horiuchi?
Personally I don't know who Lon horiuchi is because I stopped watching the news everyday when the world went to shit long ago. But no I don't feel like they need time off with pay and raises. Most are a bunch of NWO punks that don't give as hit about anything but harassing people. But you have to understand that the mother knew what was going on in the house and most likely knew what would happen in the house sooner or later. So she should have never had a kid I. Those conditions. If it was weed or something like that I would say otherwise but METH!!!! Come on people!

[Silentkilla01]

Good question....After all that bastard after being entrapped by the ATF, His kids dog being shot, then his son being shot shooting the fucker that had no warrant and a submachinegun on private property, should've just given up..After all he just wanted to live with his own race and he wouldn't spy for the gov't...Hey women holding babies deserving headshots, I'm with Kadmos on this one.......

I tell you what buddy not all cops are like that. And just because you all don't agree with a certain person on here doesn't mean no one else can especially when what he stated was the truth.

[Silentkilla01]

So what your telling me is deputy Vaughn is like this and ten 32????

[jet3534]

http://www.salon.com/2013/07/07/%E2%80%9Cwhy_did_you_shoot_me_i_was_reading_a_book _the_new_warrior_cop_is_out_of_control/

[Silentkilla01]

http://www.salon.com/2013/07/07/%E2%80%9Cwhy_did_you_shoot_me_i_was_reading_a_book _the_new_warrior_cop_is_out_of_control/
I guess where I'm at is different man. I'm was raised in the south and in the small town I live In now most everybody know everyone. Even the LEO's. Where I used to live in Georgia was a different subject but I'm here now and it's not like that

[5.56NATO]

"It can also be difficult to trace an IP address to a physical address, which can lead to yet more mistaken raids. An example of that problem manifested in one of the more bizarre botched raids in recent years. It took place in September 2006, when a SWAT team from the Bedford County sheriff’s department stormed the rural Virginia home of A. J. Nuckols, his wife, and their two children. Police had traced the IP address of someone trading child porn online to the Nuckols’ physical address. They had made a mistake. As if the shock of having his house invaded by a SWAT team wasn’t enough, Nuckols was in for another surprise. In a letter to the editor of the Chatham Star Review, he described the raid: “Men ran at me, dropped into shooting position, double-handed semi-automatic pistols pointed at me, and made me put my hands against my truck. I was held at gunpoint, searched, taunted, and led into the house. I had no idea what this was about. I was scared beyond description.”

He then looked up, and saw . . . former NBA star Shaquille O’Neal.

O’Neal, an aspiring lawman, had been made an “honorary deputy” with the department. Though he had no training as a SWAT officer, Shaq apparently had gone on several such raids with other police departments around the country. The thrill of bringing an untrained celebrity along apparently trumped the requirement that SWAT teams be staffed only with the most elite, most highly qualified and best-trained cops. According to Nuckols, O’Neal reached into Nuckols’s pickup, snatched up his (perfectly legal) rifle, and exclaimed, “We’ve got a gun!” O’Neal told Time that Nuckols’s description of the raid on his home was exaggerated. “It ain’t no story,” he said. “We did everything right, went to the judge, got a warrant. You know, they make it seem like we beat him up, and that never happened. We went in, talked to him, took some stuff, returned it—bada bam, bada bing.”

Incidentally, there have been other strange incidents of SWAT teams with star power. Matt Damon accompanied SWAT officers on several raids while preparing for the movie “The Departed.” And after police mistakenly shot and killed immigrant and father Ismael Mena on a raid in Denver in 1999, they revealed that Colorado Rockies first baseman Mike Lansing had gone along for the ride. Denver police added that it was fairly common to take sports stars on drug raids."

[Silentkilla01]

Holy shit man. That F'D up big time. Good read though..

[5.56NATO]

A conversation thread between two presumptive Ohio police officers has evidently been pulled from Facebook days after Ohio Attorney General Mike Dewine was asked to investigate ostensible “jokes” about shooting gun owners, and to ensure that all law enforcement personnel understand that openly carrying firearms is lawful activity in the state.

“Shoot the kid on the right,” wrote one in response to a publicized open carry incident at a Texas Chipotle restaurant that drew criticism even from some on the “pro-gun” side, and induced state advocacy groups to announce a change in tactics.

“I’d be yelling at him to drop the gun,” wrote the other. “Then tap tap.”

That reference is apparently to a double tap, the placing of two aimed shots in a target in quick succession.

“You can do both at the same time,” replied his Facebook friend. “Haha.”
http://www.examiner.com/article/police-double-tap-evidence-erased-after-ohio-ag-asked-to-investigate