Toddler Critically Burned from SWAT Team Flashbang During 3 A.M. No-Knock Raid

[LAGC]

ATLANTA — Bounkham Phonesavanh, a nineteen month old toddler, is in a medically-induced coma after reportedly suffering severe burns when a SWAT team from the Habersham County Sheriff’s Office in Georgia threw a flash grenade into his home during a no-knock raid apparently over a drug purchase made there earlier in the week. Sheriff Joey Terrell said officers asked the informant who directed them to the house whether there were any children and were told there weren’t so there was nothing they could have done to prevent it. Via Access North Georgia:


Terrell said both the district attorney and Georgia Bureau of Investigation [GBI] have said there was no wrongdoing on the SRT's part.

"I've talked to the D.A., I've talked to the GBI," Terrell said. "I've given them the whole information and they say there's nothing else we can do. There's nothing to investigate, there's nothing to look at. Given the information given, GBI's SWAT team would have done the exact same thing - they'd have used the exact same scenario to enter the house."

Whether the sheriff’s office should be executing no-knock warrants on homes because they can find informants to buy drugs from there seems like something Terrell, the GBI or the DA could “look at.” Unless the social media activists launch the right hash tag to end the war on drugs, Bounkham Phonesavanh is unlikely to be its last child victim. No one thinks of the children when cops get to play commando.

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http://reason.com/blog/2014/05/30/swat-team-reportedly-throws-flash-bang-b

Are we winning the War on Drugs yet?

[Kadmos]

http://www.gunsnet.net/showthread.php?30246-Excessive-force-or-quot-out-of-control-quot

Really could have lived not seeing that picture BTW, how about a graphic pic warning as a courtesy next time.

The mother knew meth was being sold out of the house.

Still, very sad.

[Oswald Bastable]

No one is safe from the Stasi.

[LAGC]

http://www.gunsnet.net/showthread.php?30246-Excessive-force-or-quot-out-of-control-quot

Really could have lived not seeing that picture BTW, how about a graphic pic warning as a courtesy next time.

The mother knew meth was being sold out of the house.

Still, very sad.

Ah, didn't see the other thread.

Do you approve of these no-knock raids though in the middle of the night?

Seems like if they just wanted to arrest the dealer the could have pulled him over after he left his house, instead of storming in a blazin'.

I think it sets a very dangerous precedent sanctioning such raids based only on the tip of an informant.

Informants who turn state's evidence tend to not be the most reliable of characters, tend to just drop names to satisfy the detectives.

Were there even any drugs found at the house? I've read quite a few different sources now, and haven't seen anything conclusive.

I could just see such tactics used against gun owners should a meaningful AWB ever be passed.

[Oswald Bastable]

I could just see such tactics used against gun owners should a meaningful AWB ever be passed.

Of course they will. The outgrowth of socialism/marxism always leads to that point.

[Kadmos]

Ah, didn't see the other thread.

It's cool, it happens


Do you approve of these no-knock raids though in the middle of the night?

Eh, depends on the occasion. I'm not thrilled about the idea, but if they knock evidence tends to get flushed, officers tend to get hurt


Seems like if they just wanted to arrest the dealer the could have pulled him over after he left his house, instead of storming in a blazin'.

They don't want to just arrest the dealer, they want to find the stuff at his house, seize it and kick his ass out of the neighborhood.

If they arrest him, his pals will clear out the house.

And yes, I'm fine with them seizing meth houses.


I think it sets a very dangerous precedent sanctioning such raids based only on the tip of an informant.

Depends on the informant, the judge makes the call.


Informants who turn state's evidence tend to not be the most reliable of characters, tend to just drop names to satisfy the detectives.

Yep. That's the idea. If it doesn't pay off, they don't get the deal.


Were there even any drugs found at the house? I've read quite a few different sources now, and haven't seen anything conclusive.

My guess is yes, the mother did know meth was sold from the house.

Don't have your kids in a meth house. Don't be in a meth house. Don't sell meth. Don't use meth. Those tips will save you a whole lot of misery.


I could just see such tactics used against gun owners should a meaningful AWB ever be passed.

Unlikely, but possible.

[LAGC]

Of course they will. The outgrowth of socialism/marxism always leads to that point.

It's kind of funny you mention that, because...

Yet now of all times, at the present revolutionary moment, it is most urgent and essential that there be a universal arming of the people. To assert that, while we have a revolutionary army, there is no need to arm the proletariat, or that there would “not be enough” arms to go round, is mere deception and trickery. The thing is to begin organizing a universal militia straight away, so that everyone should learn the use of arms even if there is “not enough” to go round, for it is not at all necessary that the people have enough weapons to arm everybody. The people must learn, one and all, how to use arms, they must belong, one and all, to the militia which is to replace the police and the standing army. The workers do not want an army standing apart from the people; what they want is that the workers and soldiers should merge into a single militia consisting of all the people.” - A Proletarian Militia by VI Lenin

[Oswald Bastable]

Yet now of all times, at the present revolutionary moment, it is most urgent and essential that there be a universal arming of the people. To assert that, while we have a revolutionary army, there is no need to arm the proletariat, or that there would “not be enough” arms to go round, is mere deception and trickery. The thing is to begin organizing a universal militia straight away, so that everyone should learn the use of arms even if there is “not enough” to go round, for it is not at all necessary that the people have enough weapons to arm everybody. The people must learn, one and all, how to use arms, they must belong, one and all, to the militia which is to replace the police and the standing army. The workers do not want an army standing apart from the people; what they want is that the workers and soldiers should merge into a single militia consisting of all the people.” - A Proletarian Militia by VI Lenin

Funny how that's never happened or worked out in a single country that's fully embraced socialism/marxim...

And yet it did, once upon a time...in a country built on capitalism.

Things that make you go hmmm...

[LAGC]

Funny how that's never happened or worked out in a single country that's fully embraced socialism/marxim...

And yet it did, once upon a time...in a country built on capitalism.

Things that make you go hmmm...

I think a lot of it had to do with the fact that widespread private gun ownership was never that big of a phenomenon in the East (Russia, China, southern Asia) unlike the West, so even though Marx and Lenin talked about arming all workers and dissolving the standing army in favor of a well-armed citizens militia, it just never happened -- resources were allocated elsewhere. It would have been interesting to see how history may have turned out had it happened. Trotsky may have been able to wrest power away from Stalin with the militia's help, and I doubt Pol Pot would have been able to pull off marching all those city-dwellers to the countryside where most starved to death.

Of course, Marx only figured communism was achievable in fully-developed capitalist economies (of the West) once wealth inequalities between rich and poor got so wide that the workers would revolt, not in undeveloped agrarian economies of the East. But, of course, history had other plans...

[LAGC]

Were there even any drugs found at the house? I've read quite a few different sources now, and haven't seen anything conclusive.

Thonetheva faces no weapons charge in this week's incident, and as for drugs, Terrell said officers found only residue in the home.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/05/30/us/georgia-toddler-injured-stun-grenade-drug-raid/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

Asked and answered...

[1 Patriot-of-many]

WOW...Even LAGC isn't defending this type of craziness from jackboots, Kadmos of course is. Gov't plant. I guess the wrong house raids/killings in the name of the drug war is fine by you too......Pretty sad, I feel sorrow for jackboot lickers like you.

[jet3534]

Cops are ready to fry kids and kill people based on the unverified word of an informant. The militarization of the police has got to stop.

[Krupski]

http://www.gunsnet.net/showthread.php?30246-Excessive-force-or-quot-out-of-control-quot

Really could have lived not seeing that picture BTW, how about a graphic pic warning as a courtesy next time.

The mother knew meth was being sold out of the house.

Still, very sad.

"Not seeing" a tragedy doesn't make it go away.

We need to see the results of militarized cops using and abusing excessive force. We need to see it, be enraged by it and do something about it.

Do you think if you close your eyes when you climb aboard the cattle car that you won't actually end up at the gas chambers?

[Krupski]

Ah, didn't see the other thread.

Do you approve of these no-knock raids though in the middle of the night?

Seems like if they just wanted to arrest the dealer the could have pulled him over after he left his house, instead of storming in a blazin'.

I think it sets a very dangerous precedent sanctioning such raids based only on the tip of an informant.

Informants who turn state's evidence tend to not be the most reliable of characters, tend to just drop names to satisfy the detectives.

Were there even any drugs found at the house? I've read quite a few different sources now, and haven't seen anything conclusive.

I could just see such tactics used against gun owners should a meaningful AWB ever be passed.

I'm sure they carry a backup stash - just in case.

The bottom line is that a few grams of white powder do not justify the levels of force used.

[Krupski]

Thonetheva faces no weapons charge in this week's incident, and as for drugs, Terrell said officers found only residue in the home.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/05/30/us/georgia-toddler-injured-stun-grenade-drug-raid/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

Asked and answered...

From the article:


The police officers involved have been called baby killers and received threats following the incident, Sheriff Joey Terrell said.

This is exactly why if the SHTF there will be very few military or police obeying orders to fire upon US citizens. It's simple: We know where they live.

Maybe these threats are a knee-jerk reaction and will fade away, but sustained "misbehavior" by "authorities" WOULD quickly result in reprisals against family members.

Hate is a powerful thing.

[Avanarts]

Regardless of whether drugs were being sold there, or if the mother knew that drugs were being sold in the house, the enforcers have absolutely no right or "need" to be throwing explosive devices into someone's home.

[Kadmos]

"Not seeing" a tragedy doesn't make it go away.

We need to see the results of militarized cops using and abusing excessive force. We need to see it, be enraged by it and do something about it.

Do you think if you close your eyes when you climb aboard the cattle car that you won't actually end up at the gas chambers?

Seeing it isn't the issue, I've seen way worse. I grew up on ER horror stories and slide shows, plus actually hanging out in the ER.

It's that I was having a chill night, eating a snack, and when I noted there was a picture I scrolled down expecting to see a mug shot of a drug dealer, not a burnt kid.

It's simply good manners to have a graphic pic warning.

[jet3534]

It's kind of funny you mention that, because...

Yet now of all times, at the present revolutionary moment, it is most urgent and essential that there be a universal arming of the people. To assert that, while we have a revolutionary army, there is no need to arm the proletariat, or that there would “not be enough” arms to go round, is mere deception and trickery. The thing is to begin organizing a universal militia straight away, so that everyone should learn the use of arms even if there is “not enough” to go round, for it is not at all necessary that the people have enough weapons to arm everybody. The people must learn, one and all, how to use arms, they must belong, one and all, to the militia which is to replace the police and the standing army. The workers do not want an army standing apart from the people; what they want is that the workers and soldiers should merge into a single militia consisting of all the people.” - A Proletarian Militia by VI Lenin

The left is all about people owning guns -- that is until they take over.

[jet3534]

From the article:



This is exactly why if the SHTF there will be very few military or police obeying orders to fire upon US citizens. It's simple: We know where they live.

Maybe these threats are a knee-jerk reaction and will fade away, but sustained "misbehavior" by "authorities" WOULD quickly result in reprisals against family members.

Hate is a powerful thing.

Vigilantism is justified when people who are above the law commit crimes.

Here is an interesting commentary on the use of flash bang grenades.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-watch/wp/2014/05/30/georgia-toddler-critically-injured-by-polices-flash-grenade/

[Oswald Bastable]

Apparently this jackboot group also killed a pastor in botched investigation in 2009...


In September 2009, the young pastor Ayers was ministering to a young woman whom a Georgia drug task force was investigating on drug charges. (She had allegedly sold an undercover officer $50 worth of cocaine.) When task force members saw Ayers alone in the car with the woman, they switched their focus to him. According to Ayers’s lawsuit, the woman was about to be evicted from the motel at which she was staying. Ayers gave her the $23 in his pocket to help cover her rent.

The task force followed Ayers to a convenience store, where he went in to get money from an ATM. When he returned and got into his car they pounced. They pulled up behind him in an unmarked black SUV. Armed agents dressed in street clothes then rushed Ayers’s car. He put his car in reverse and attempted to escape. In the process, he nicked one agent. Another then opened fire, killing him. Ayers told hospital staff was that he thought he was being robbed. His reported last words were, “Who shot me?”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-watch/wp/2014/05/30/drug-task-force-that-burned-a-toddler-this-week-also-killed-an-innocent-pastor-in-2009/

Because murder in the name of the gov't is just a-ok with the liberal/progressive/fascist state.

[L1A1Rocker]

From the article:



This is exactly why if the SHTF there will be very few military or police obeying orders to fire upon US citizens. It's simple: We know where they live.

Maybe these threats are a knee-jerk reaction and will fade away, but sustained "misbehavior" by "authorities" WOULD quickly result in reprisals against family members.

Hate is a powerful thing.

That's also why, when the federals surrounded Bundy's ranch, they were brought in from out of state.

[Krupski]

Vigilantism is justified when people who are above the law commit crimes.

Here is an interesting commentary on the use of flash bang grenades.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-watch/wp/2014/05/30/georgia-toddler-critically-injured-by-polices-flash-grenade/

Say what?

NOBODY is above the law.

These out of control Rambo wannabe SWAT assholes are the ones committing the crimes of burning, shooting and murdering people over a joint or over a few granules of white powder.

[Krupski]

That's also why, when the federals surrounded Bundy's ranch, they were brought in from out of state.

That makes it a little more difficult to ID the person, but not impossible.

A photograph and a little detective work can find out who anyone is.

[jet3534]

Say what?

NOBODY is above the law.

These out of control Rambo wannabe SWAT assholes are the ones committing the crimes of burning, shooting and murdering people over a joint or over a few granules of white powder.

I think you possibly misunderstood my point. I am saying it is the police that are often above the law because they can commit crimes and the DA looks the other way. For example this case of a guy executed in a parking lot by the police after making some bets on football games with a cop: http://www.salon.com/2013/07/07/%E2%80%9Cwhy_did_you_shoot_me_i_was_reading_a_book _the_new_warrior_cop_is_out_of_control/

A good commentary on the militarization of police:
https://www.rutherford.org/publications_resources/john_whiteheads_commentary/just_shoot_the_mindset_responsible_for_turning_sea rch_warrants_into_de

[sevlex]

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