If you could have one knife to survive with, what would it be?

[Sherman]

I think I would either make my own or go with Kukri/Parang of some sort.

What would be the knife of your choosing?

Sherman

[raxar]

If I could only have one it would be a leatherman wave, as I hate to go a day in "rule of law" without a multi-tool.

[Paladin]

Hmmmm...

Survive, I guess that's the key word. For a guy on the job, yeah a multi-tool with a blade.

If we mean survive, without the help of normal support systems, then I'll go with my stag handled Cold Steel Trailmaster. Good for the woods & CQB. Besides, it's kewl.

[old Grump]

I can see the advantage but I think I would rather have my tools separate. Mostly because half the time when I deploy my leatherman I pinch myself, well more than half the time and it just doesn't feel right in my hand. tough call but if I had to dump all knives but one I would be left with a fixed blade Buck 4 1/2" skinning knife on my belt. I use it for more things than I count, only my folding knives get more use but they don't cut as good as the buck. Smart money would probably go with a bigger knife but I can do things like skin a rabbit or fillet a catfish that I can't do with a larger knife.

[Mac_Muz]

I can and have made knives selling for up to 450 bucks. If you ask me a hi carbon steel that is cared for, kept sharp and gets oil, even if the oil comes from game you took.

To me a blade of no more than 6 inches and some wicked pointy like a caper to do fine detail facial skinning, so really that 6 inches is too big, as the whole might be just over 6, counting the grip.

A knife to me isn't for hack and slash if it is a tool. A knife like a dirk or a bowie are weapons, not really tools.

So if the knife is a cutting tool I want mine small, and then a axe for hack and slash.

I am not likey to come into chems where stainless and other nasty corrosive matter, other that salt water and clean fresh water, and oil will fix that.

A Rockewell of 58-62 suits me too, for the abilty to create sparks.

If it is a weapon I would like a grip that is sticky, maybe can deal with minor dc volts, but linemans liers would be a lot better. Still I would use a high carbon steel over stainless.

I just can't see me swimming in a pool of real nasty stuff and living lone enough to need a full blown anti corrosive blade.

Leatherman like knives are all stainless and I have a couple, they beat a swiss knife pretty well for turning allens. That whole problem is there is too many fasteners.

My main purpose for knives is cutting things neatly, and cleanly like facials cut on hides. I need a delicate accurate blade, not a clever.

So there is no one best over all knife and that's why i have many.

[O.S.O.K.]

http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/9994/1729133xs4.jpg

Pretty hard to beat. And it fits onto my survival gun too ;)

[swampdragon]

I already have this one...so I guess I'd stay with it.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v648/Swampdragon/ontario.jpg

[Blacksmith]

If I could only have one it would be a leatherman wave, as I hate to go a day in "rule of law" without a multi-tool.

I have a lot of very nice knives in the safe. But I’m going to second the leatherman wave. I survive every day with it and I could not imagine going a day without it.

[gpwasr10]

http://tsa.imageg.net/graphics/product_images/p2070046dt.jpg

Gerber LMF II.

Perfect size/weight, great scabbard, Made in the USA. It would be hard to not take this with me should the crap slap the oscillator.

[El Jefe]

I'm not really "into" knives, but I do have a big honkin Gerber bowie knife, a small two blade Case pocket knife, and a folding box cutter I use for everything.

[swampdragon]

I'm not really "into" knives, but I do have a big honkin Gerber bowie knife, a small two blade Case pocket knife, and a folding box cutter I use for everything.

I have 2 Gerber multi-tools that I really like.

I've boycotted Leatherman ever since they endorsed John Kerry.

[Blacksmith]

Now if we are going strictly on the coolness factor, one of these should be sufficient :D

http://i1008.photobucket.com/albums/af204/Blacksmith66/DSC02140.jpg
http://i1008.photobucket.com/albums/af204/Blacksmith66/DSC02131.jpg

[L1A1Rocker]

http://www.knifeco.ppg.br/pumawhite.jpg

[justinsaneok]

http://tsa.imageg.net/graphics/product_images/p2070046dt.jpg

Gerber LMF II.

Perfect size/weight, great scabbard, Made in the USA. It would be hard to not take this with me should the crap slap the oscillator.
I like it . Iis it worth the money or should I stick with the kabar tanto

[AKTexas]

Gerber Multi-tool.

[ready]

I couldn't pick just one. I'd have to have my SOG multitool, BKT Companion and Cold Steel Machete.

[ubersoldate]

http://tsa.imageg.net/graphics/product_images/p2070046dt.jpg

Gerber LMF II.

Perfect size/weight, great scabbard, Made in the USA. It would be hard to not take this with me should the crap slap the oscillator.

Ive got this exact LMF...GREAT knife...

But if I had to walk my butt out into a shtf situation, I would choose a Gerber multi tool for sure.

[chiak47]

http://www.tucsonpictures.com/pics/2009-03/00-03-08-09-0036.jpg

I have 2 Glock field knives like these that I'm pretty pleased with.

[O.S.O.K.]

Uber - wondered when you would show up - welcome back. Did you make the move north to the land of Ruger and Wolf Publishing?

Oops - sorry, thread jack over.

[ubersoldate]

Uber - wondered when you would show up - welcome back. Did you make the move north to the land of Ruger and Wolf Publishing?

Oops - sorry, thread jack over.

You as well my friend!
Nope, still down here in the giant hair dryer that is Phoenix...
These summers are getting unbearable....

[Solidus-snake]

http://tsa.imageg.net/graphics/product_images/p2070046dt.jpg

Gerber LMF II.

Perfect size/weight, great scabbard, Made in the USA. It would be hard to not take this with me should the crap slap the oscillator.

Same choice as me. I love mine!

[O.S.O.K.]

You as well my friend!
Nope, still down here in the giant hair dryer that is Phoenix...
These summers are getting unbearable....

Yeah, Texas is hot but nothing compared to Phoenix in the summer... well, if its still in the plans, I hope you make it up there soon!

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Back to the survival knife - I still think that the basic idea/concept of the Rusky bayo is sound. Knife, electric fence cutter, root saw and its a bayo! The only complaint that I have is the noisy scabbard hanger... well, that and the blade's only beveled on one side... but an improved version would be the knife of choice if your toting an AKM. Maybe Blacksmith can cobble up an improved version! :D

[Moebrown20]

Hunting: Gut hook (for deer) self made for larger game.
Carving/skinning: teton
Self Defense: Make my own.
Wood: bill hook or Hatchet (use to be a Broadaxe)

There is no "one" do it all knife. It would be too heavy to use.

[old Grump]

There is no "one" do it all knife. It would be too heavy to use.
Exactly, you start getting carried away with the gut hooks and the saw edge and the serrated edge and the compass in the hilt and the remote control pocket in the sheath and you have something large and heavy but if you want to cut something you still need a knife. Keep it simple, knives are for cutting. I would sure hate to try and gun a squirrel with a Skatchet or a 14" long bayonet or clean a fish with the 10 1/2" blade of my bowie knife.

[Moebrown20]

Exactly, you start getting carried away with the gut hooks and the saw edge and the serrated edge and the compass in the hilt and the remote control pocket in the sheath and you have something large and heavy but if you want to cut something you still need a knife. Keep it simple, knives are for cutting. I would sure hate to try and gun a squirrel with a Skatchet or a 14" long bayonet or clean a fish with the 10 1/2" blade of my bowie knife.

:lol: O.G. you're funny.
Every blade I have is well used, so it's easier for me to make my own sometimes.
A knife mainly has 3 uses: stab, chop, slice

[swampdragon]

A knife mainly has 3 uses: stab, chop, slice

carve, shave, chip, gouge, fillet, skinning, scare the neighbors.

[recon]

Great kinfe! K-Bar KBD1. Figures though they stop making it.

http://www.tomarskabars.com/1273_INFO.html

[Moebrown20]

carve, shave, chip, gouge, fillet, skinning, scare the neighbors.

Haa... I gotta take a pic of one of my hunting knives.
My old neighbors always complained about it when I use to hunt.

[AKTexas]

http://i803.photobucket.com/albums/yy315/AKTexas1973/wenger-Giant-Knife-zoom.jpg

Too much?

[swampdragon]

http://i803.photobucket.com/albums/yy315/AKTexas1973/wenger-Giant-Knife-zoom.jpg

Too much?

Does it come in something other than red?
I don't look good in red.

:coffee:

[AKTexas]

Does it come in something other than red?
I don't look good in red.

:coffee:

The devil wears red.

[raxar]

Exactly, you start getting carried away with the gut hooks and the saw edge and the serrated edge and the compass in the hilt and the remote control pocket in the sheath and you have something large and heavy but if you want to cut something you still need a knife. Keep it simple, knives are for cutting. I would sure hate to try and gun a squirrel with a Skatchet or a 14" long bayonet or clean a fish with the 10 1/2" blade of my bowie knife.

you should ad "butcher a deer with a leatherman" to that list, take a wild guess how I figured that out....

[Mark Ducati]

McGuyver mode on a deserted island like Tom Hanks in "Castaway".... I'd have to go with a multi-tool w/ blade...

Zombie Apocolypse, I'd have to go with a M16 bayonet to compliment my survival gun as stated above...

Camping.... I've always wanted one of those Rambo Knives that's hollow to keep some fishing line, hooks, matches, etc...

So, survive what contingency?

[Blacksmith]

McGuyver mode on a deserted island like Tom Hanks in "Castaway".... I'd have to go with a multi-tool w/ blade...

Zombie Apocolypse, I'd have to go with a M16 bayonet to compliment my survival gun as stated above...

Camping.... I've always wanted one of those Rambo Knives that's hollow to keep some fishing line, hooks, matches, etc...

So, survive what contingency?

If you were camping on an island, your boat sunk stranding you and you found out the inhabitance of the island was zombies. which one would you choose? :D

[Mark Ducati]

If you were camping on an island, your boat sunk stranding you and you found out the inhabitance of the island was zombies. which one would you choose? :D

Okay... in the above scenario, forget the knife, I'm going with this:

http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/kotaku/2008/12/real_lancer.jpg

[old Grump]

If you were camping on an island, your boat sunk stranding you and you found out the inhabitance of the island was zombies. which one would you choose? :D

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/31AZCHCEEBL._SL500_AA300_.jpg

Basic, 4 1/2" heavy blade, nice handle to grip and a blade sharp enough to skin a shark or whittle me a bowl and spoon. I'd want a bucket full of heavy rocks and a big honking stick for zombies. I don't want to get close enough to use a knife. Bayonet is fine for trench digging to lay a trip wire or poking people you don't like and wish would stop bothering you but sucks as a utility knife. I've handled those Rambo knives. Had to wash my hands afterwards and prayed that the proud young hunter who was hunting deer with a AR15 and had a bayonet on his belt and that rambo knife in his boot never had to use it. What a cheap piece of dime store crap. The only thing that hollow handle was good for was to fill up with strong pain pills because if you had to survive in the woods with that knife you were going to need all of them.

Opinionated, who me?

[HDR]

A lot of knives fall into the heroic fantasy category.

I have one of these:

http://www.suomalaiset.de/edc/puukko/sissi2.jpg

http://www.suomalaiset.de/edc/puukko/sissi3.jpg

It is a Sissi Puukko.

[RJ Shooter]

What I've had for almost 20 years now... Back when they were semi-expensive. Cold Steel Recon Tanto...

http://ep.yimg.com/ca/I/csstoreonline_2112_3915035

And I've had this one just as long. Cold Steel SRK...

http://ep.yimg.com/ca/I/csstoreonline_2112_3483858

[AKTexas]

The Recon Tanto is nice piece of steel.It has done all and more than was expected of it.

[HDR]

What I've had for almost 20 years now... Back when they were semi-expensive. Cold Steel Recon Tanto...

http://ep.yimg.com/ca/I/csstoreonline_2112_3915035

And I've had this one just as long. Cold Steel SRK...

http://ep.yimg.com/ca/I/csstoreonline_2112_3483858

I prefer a knife without a hilt on the top.

[RJ Shooter]

I prefer a knife without a hilt on the top.I switch to a reverse hand hold (top of blade against forearm) in some techniques, so I too prefer no top hilt. ;)

[swampdragon]

Hilt
The Knife Hilt refers to the entire handle including the pommel, butt cap and the guard.

I don't understand what you guys are saying?
:thud:

[RJ Shooter]

Hilt
The Knife Hilt refers to the entire handle including the pommel, butt cap and the guard.

I don't understand what you guys are saying?
:thud:I guess more correctly then, the top guard. A lot of people call the entire guard section the hilt. Pommel and Butt, or Buttcap are used interchangeably as well.

[swampdragon]

I guess more correctly then, the top guard. A lot of people call the entire guard section the hilt. Pommel and Butt, or Buttcap are used interchangeably as well.

Gotcha...

[HDR]

Swampy, it could also be called a bolster or hand guard or cross guard. :D

Some "experts" say hilts are for swords or daggers; so I was wrong any way you count it.


I switch to a reverse hand hold (top of blade against forearm) in some techniques, so I too prefer no top hilt. ;)

No top guard or whatever it is called gives you more control. It is called a Filipino grip or thumb on spine. Others call it a modified saber grip which I was taught is the thumb on side of the blade.

I believe the slang name is the reverse icepick as there is also a reverse saber (usually with thumb on pommel) grip so it could be called that also. As the thumb is on the side with the blade forward saber grip when it is blade forward;, I stay out of that debate.

You know what Mark Twain said.....

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

--Mark Twain

[swampdragon]

Be extremely subtle, even to the point of formlessness. Be extremely mysterious, even to the point of soundlessness. Thereby you can be the director of the opponent's fate.
Sun Tzu

[old Grump]

Knife fighting lie number one - You will have time to draw your knife.

Knife fighting lie number two - It will be a knife fight

Knife fighting lie number three - I am an expert and I can teach you how to knife fight

Fact, best knife to have in your hand during a knife fight is a 1911A1 single-action, semi-automatic, magazine-fed, recoil-operated handgun with the magazine filled with 230 grain FMJ 45ACP cartridges. Round chambered and gun cocked. I'm to old for silly games.

[RJ Shooter]

Knife fighting lie number one - You will have time to draw your knife.

Knife fighting lie number two - It will be a knife fight

Knife fighting lie number three - I am an expert and I can teach you how to knife fight

Fact, best knife to have in your hand during a knife fight is a 1911A1 single-action, semi-automatic, magazine-fed, recoil-operated handgun with the magazine filled with 230 grain FMJ 45ACP cartridges. Round chambered and gun cocked. I'm to old for silly games.Fact #1: Within 15', I can run and stab you before you draw your 1911.

Fact #2: Practiced this 100s of times with rubber training knives and blue chalkline chalk, so it's a confirmed fact... ;)

[swampdragon]

Fact #1: Within 15', I can run and stab you before you draw your 1911.

Fact #2: Practiced this 100s of times with rubber training knives and blue chalkline chalk, so it's a confirmed fact... ;)

Somehow that just doesn't sound fair.

Grump has bad knees...he's older than the earth itself...and I doubt the stubborn lil bastard would stand still for you on your chalk line.
Plus, you'd probably only just piss him off if you stabbed him with a rubber knife.
Then he'd shoot you...like in the knee cap or something just because it would hurt a lot.

:laugh:

[RJ Shooter]

Again, ROTFLMAO!!!! :p

[HDR]

Fact #1: Within 15', I can run and stab you before you draw your 1911.

Fact #2: Practiced this 100s of times with rubber training knives and blue chalkline chalk, so it's a confirmed fact... ;)

Fact #3 Its name is Tueller Drill.


Somehow that just doesn't sound fair.

No one said it was fair and the fact is it gets even worse when one missed the fact.

[swampdragon]

Fact #3 Its name is Tueller Drill.



No one said it was fair and the fact is it gets even worse when one missed the fact.


OK, but don't come cryin' to me when RJ has an injured knee and a rubber knife stuck up his butt...and old Grump is going through his pockets looking for Viagra and beer money.
:coffee:

[RJ Shooter]

And yet once again, ROTFLMAO!!!! http://www.gunsnet.images/smilies/tongue.png

[swampdragon]

FACT #1:

If you are going to engage in a knife fight...don't use a rubber knife.

:laugh:

[old Grump]

3 times I have had a knife pulled on me, all 3 times were within arms reach of me, there would not have been time to draw a knife, a gun or even a deep breath. I have no knife wounds, 2 knives were lost never to be seen again by the mopes who pulled them, the first guy I handed his knife back to him, called him an idiot and told him to go away. He did. I don't react well to people trying to stick sharp pointed things in me.

Only knife fights I have ever seen were practice fights with a few close friends and in the movies. I hope you rubber knife boys don't do the prison shank dance or the West Side story shuffle.

I was in a class where the instructor was going to teach us MP types how to defend against knife attacks. Duh, I have a night stick, a helmet and a 45. Twice I was called to be the guinea pig by the instructor because at 5' 11" and 213 pounds I looked slow and clumsy. Somebody should have told him I was on the Navy boxing team, heavyweight class. Ding Dong Dooley would give me a little yellow rubber thing, (looked like a foam rubber banana only not curved), and he had his blue dagger. He would get me in the position he wanted me and then he assumed his stance. Looked at the rest of the class, grin and opened his mouth to say ready.

Before he got to the second syllable I had forearmed him with my left arm, stepped behind his right leg and had the first 2 knuckles of my right fist in his neck. the little yellow rubber thingy was on the mat under our feet. After the second attempt with the same result he said I wasn't cooperating. He didn't grow up where I did and he was right. I would not play his silly fricking game.

Swampy is right about my knees and my back and my bum left shoulder. 30 years ago I would have kicked you in the face or tried to drive my fist through your ribs to your back bone. Today I would just kill you because I'm in no condition to play silly. No strength, no stamina but lots of dirty tricks in my pocket. Not bragging, just an old man who intends to get older till I turn room temperature.

The 3 knives, first was a little jack knife with about 1 1/2" blade. That's the one I gave back adding insult to injury. The second was a switch blade, guessing about 5" of blade. I planted my foot in that little New Yorkers chest and I have no idea where his knife went. 3rd was 2 kids with a hunting knife a couple of years ago. Old man with a white beard, a limp and walking with a cane is harmless right? Knot on his head and I wouldn't be a bit surprised if I didn't break the ulna bone on his left arm as he tried to protect his head from my second blow.

This is why I laugh at the combat knife threads and out comes the bowie's and the bayonets and the 14" saw backed serrated blade with 2 blood grooves, bone crusher pommel and an etching of a syphilitic dragon on the blade to prove it's a dangerous knife. Never ever saw one of them used in a fight...except in kung fu movies or horseshit and gun powder movies.

Most dangerous weapon ever used against me was a heavy navy swab. That didn't work out well for that guy either but if I hadn't heard him and turned around when I did it could have been bad for me. That would have really sucked, getting laid out by a mop.

Tueller be damned, if you are going into a bad situation you best have that 45 ACP, 9MM, PR 24 Baton, whatever you have in your fist already. I don't care how fast anybody is with a blade, you can't move 950 fps.

Also don't care how many Sicilian knife fights you have participated in, my axe handle trumps your cuteddu. Yeah, yeah, I'm a stinky old cheater.

[AKTexas]

3 times I have had a knife pulled on me, all 3 times were within arms reach of me, there would not have been time to draw a knife, a gun or even a deep breath. I have no knife wounds, 2 knives were lost never to be seen again by the mopes who pulled them, the first guy I handed his knife back to him, called him an idiot and told him to go away. He did. I don't react well to people trying to stick sharp pointed things in me.

Only knife fights I have ever seen were practice fights with a few close friends and in the movies. I hope you rubber knife boys don't do the prison shank dance or the West Side story shuffle.

I was in a class where the instructor was going to teach us MP types how to defend against knife attacks. Duh, I have a night stick, a helmet and a 45. Twice I was called to be the guinea pig by the instructor because at 5' 11" and 213 pounds I looked slow and clumsy. Somebody should have told him I was on the Navy boxing team, heavyweight class. Ding Dong Dooley would give me a little yellow rubber thing, (looked like a foam rubber banana only not curved), and he had his blue dagger. He would get me in the position he wanted me and then he assumed his stance. Looked at the rest of the class, grin and opened his mouth to say ready.

Before he got to the second syllable I had forearmed him with my left arm, stepped behind his right leg and had the first 2 knuckles of my right fist in his neck. the little yellow rubber thingy was on the mat under our feet. After the second attempt with the same result he said I wasn't cooperating. He didn't grow up where I did and he was right. I would not play his silly fricking game.

Swampy is right about my knees and my back and my bum left shoulder. 30 years ago I would have kicked you in the face or tried to drive my fist through your ribs to your back bone. Today I would just kill you because I'm in no condition to play silly. No strength, no stamina but lots of dirty tricks in my pocket. Not bragging, just an old man who intends to get older till I turn room temperature.

The 3 knives, first was a little jack knife with about 1 1/2" blade. That's the one I gave back adding insult to injury. The second was a switch blade, guessing about 5" of blade. I planted my foot in that little New Yorkers chest and I have no idea where his knife went. 3rd was 2 kids with a hunting knife a couple of years ago. Old man with a white beard, a limp and walking with a cane is harmless right? Knot on his head and I wouldn't be a bit surprised if I didn't break the ulna bone on his left arm as he tried to protect his head from my second blow.

This is why I laugh at the combat knife threads and out comes the bowie's and the bayonets and the 14" saw backed serrated blade with 2 blood grooves, bone crusher pommel and an etching of a syphilitic dragon on the blade to prove it's a dangerous knife. Never ever saw one of them used in a fight...except in kung fu movies or horseshit and gun powder movies.

Most dangerous weapon ever used against me was a heavy navy swab. That didn't work out well for that guy either but if I hadn't heard him and turned around when I did it could have been bad for me. That would have really sucked, getting laid out by a mop.

Tueller be damned, if you are going into a bad situation you best have that 45 ACP, 9MM, PR 24 Baton, whatever you have in your fist already. I don't care how fast anybody is with a blade, you can't move 950 fps.

Also don't care how many Sicilian knife fights you have participated in, my axe handle trumps your cuteddu. Yeah, yeah, I'm a stinky old cheater.

No such thing as a fair fight when your life is on the line.Good job Grump.

[HDR]

Be extremely subtle, even to the point of formlessness. Be extremely mysterious, even to the point of soundlessness. Thereby you can be the director of the opponent's fate.
Sun Tzu

Although weapons don't make a Warrior; the weapons have changed.


OK, but don't come cryin' to me when RJ has an injured knee and a rubber knife stuck up his butt...and old Grump is going through his pockets looking for Viagra and beer money.
:coffee:

Swampy who on this beautiful Blue Planet would come crying to you?

Besides that mutant cat you have for an avatar.

[Krupski]

Fact #1: Within 15', I can run and stab you before you draw your 1911.

Fact #2: Practiced this 100s of times with rubber training knives and blue chalkline chalk, so it's a confirmed fact... ;)

Well, blades scare me to death. Even if you can get to me quick enough, I would still prefer a firearm.

[HDR]

Tueller be damned, if you are going into a bad situation you best have that 45 ACP, 9MM, PR 24 Baton, whatever you have in your fist already. I don't care how fast anybody is with a blade, you can't move 950 fps.

One would only need to be quicker than 950 fps or 3000 fps after the other person gets the gun out, aims it and shoots it. The bottom line is this is the same as an wild west gunfight; who is quicker.

AFA, blade speed; it is the speed of getting it out and in and no one trusts you to fill the water pistol.

Tueller drill is based on LE experience of which I have none. If we were in a bar, we could go outside and try it. Not lethal, just see if Tueller is right and RJ could cover 15' before OG could get out a water pistol. However, that would put RJ at a real disadvantage because humans have real shitty brakes. LOL

No Swampy, OG can't stand in front of a wall.




Well, blades scare me to death. Even if you can get to me quick enough, I would still prefer a firearm.

Firearms hurt too. ;)

[RJ Shooter]

However, that would put RJ at a real disadvantage because humans have real shitty brakes. LOLHA!!!!!!

And the crux of the Tueller doctrine is, the knife is ALREADY DRAWN AND OUT! :p

When both are in the sheath/holster, my bet is ALWAYS on the gun... ;)

[swampdragon]

Although weapons don't make a Warrior; the weapons have changed.



Swampy who on this beautiful Blue Planet would come crying to you?

Besides that mutant cat you have for an avatar.

I'm a very sensitive and caring guy....lol.
And what's wrong with my avatar?

[old Grump]

I'm a very sensitive and caring guy....lol.
And what's wrong with my avatar?

There is nothing wrong with your avatar. In fact I had something for supper that looked an awful lot like that for a few seconds after I put it in the wok. :evil-bbq:

[HDR]

I'm a very sensitive and caring guy....lol.
And what's wrong with my avatar?

Nothing, but it looks more to the open season varmint critter's side of things than anything else. lol


HA!!!!!!

And the crux of the Tueller doctrine is, the knife is ALREADY DRAWN AND OUT! :p

When both are in the sheath/holster, my bet is ALWAYS on the gun... ;)

True, but the Tueller drill says he will get there before the gun can be used. So, it sounds similar to football, there is no knife and very rarely if ever an accurate pass if the defensive player gets there first which we all seem to agree on. At least that is what I get out of it.

[Paladin]

True, but the Tueller drill says he will get there before the gun can be used.

And the courts agree with you too HDR, time and time again.

I saw Bob Taylor do a power throwing demonstration where he and a shooter had their backs to targets. Shooter had pistol holstered, concealed. Taylor had folder in rear pocket. High speed photography showed the knife into the target before the shooter got the first shot off. Besides, even if a guy can shoot the knife man, the knife man's momentum would carry him to the shooters guts.

I agree with you too. If the guy with the knife is standing within 21 feet, or laying prone within 7 feet, and he makes a dedicated move toward you, shoot him.

[mrkalashnikov]

I'd rather have a gun than a knife anyday but that's just me.

I guess any good quality steel hunting knife would do, with a sharp edge. I have a 8" Buck I've had since the 70's which is a great, versatile hunting & camping tool. I have my old man's K-BAR and a Vietnam-era Air Force survival knife. All are dependable solid blades which have stood the test of time. I wouldn't feel undressed packing any of them.

[old Grump]

And the difference in the Teuller drill and my 3 experiences was in the drill the gunner is under attack. It's also why I stomped my so called expert in the mud, he was demonstrating technique and I was attacking. The 3 dopes who pulled knives on me were trying to scare me, I don't scare nicely, I have a tendency to react and after its over do my scared reaction but at the moment I was busy. If they had just attacked me unprovoked I would have been in deep doo doo.

A navy buddy has the lower right quarter of his lung removed. He had just finished a football game as a wide receiver and had made a couple of nice catches that won their high school a conference championship. On the way to the locker room a lot of back slapping from the crowd and he never noticed a thing. Got his jumper off, felt the pain finally and realized he was bleeding. Some ass had stuck him with a long narrow blade and he never realized he had been stabbed. If it had been on the other side it could have easily gotten to his heart. They couldn't save that lobe of his lung and had to remove it. That is a knife attack.

Sister had a man report to ER complaining of a headache that started when he got off the bus and he stepped between a bunch of kids. He had a knife stuck in his head. He didn't know he had been stabbed. When I was reading about the history of Bellevue hospital there was an incident where a man came into ER complaining of back pain, they sent him to the back clinic. When he turned to leave they saw the knife sticking out of his back and they had to catch him and bring him back. I like my blades but I have this thing about people who stab other people...or threaten to stab other people. Gets me kind of owly.

Only funny stabbing is another navy buddy of mine who stabbed himself in the upper thigh 3 times in 2 days and got his knife taken from him by the corpsman. Then he was taken to the small stores and the clerk was told specifically by the corpsman that this man is not to be sold a knife. He was demonstrating his knife fighting technique he had learned from a booklet he had ordered from the back of a comic book. Nice guy and fairly bright but the common sense gene was missing. About 3" higher and he would have qualified for a skirt and he could have been a WAVE.

[HDR]

I'd rather have a gun than a knife anyday but that's just me.

Me too, even better is both. As it takes a lot of practice, I am not a John Wesley Hardin; however, I am fairly quick with an edge. As a lot of places (stores, malls etc) deny us our Rights a knife is better than nothing. If you can fake out a limp well enough to carry a cane knowledge of stick fighting is a plus.


II guess any good quality steel hunting knife would do, with a sharp edge. I have a 8" Buck I've had since the 70's which is a great, versatile hunting & camping tool. I have my old man's K-BAR and a Vietnam-era Air Force survival knife. All are dependable solid blades which have stood the test of time. I wouldn't feel undressed packing any of them.

Sheath knives in the right spot are quick.

If not, a good quality folder. Knives have some things in common with pistols; proper hold, hand fit etc. Edge play is same as any athletic activity, speed, coordination, etc.

[Janet]

Paul says to tell you he was in a "knife" fight and at three feet, the knife [machete] lost and the punkin ball from a 12 gauge won, and it was not the highest gauge on site. Paul also says people who pull knives just piss him off. [He also likes this site and the multitude of intelligent conversations I share from here]

[AKTexas]

Paul says to tell you he was in a "knife" fight and at three feet, the knife [machete] lost and the punkin ball from a 12 gauge won, and it was not the highest gauge on site. Paul also says people who pull knives just piss him off. [He also likes this site and the multitude of intelligent conversations I share from here]

Ha!You have not been to the Roadhouse then?

[Paladin]

...Sheath knives in the right spot are quick...If not, a good quality folder.


http://www.emersonknives.com/videos/CommanderOpen.MPG

[HDR]

Paul says to tell you he was in a "knife" fight and at three feet, the knife [machete] lost and the punkin ball from a 12 gauge won, and it was not the highest gauge on site. Paul also says people who pull knives just piss him off. [He also likes this site and the multitude of intelligent conversations I share from here]

It all depends on a lot of variables; for example if I am already aiming a shotgun or it is slung on my shoulder. At 3' if you are already aiming a gun at me there is no way I can beat you with hands, knife or gun which isn't aimed.
Being ready to rock changes matters as compared to a total surprise.

[Janet]

Paul [as a police officer] warned the man, was swung on and his vest was cut across the chest from shoulder to belly. the second time he was swung on he raised gun and ended it .....................

[old Grump]

Ha!You have not been to the Roadhouse then?

My baby sister don't need no roadhouse, behave AK.

[AKTexas]

My baby sister don't need no roadhouse, behave AK.

I'm not inviting her there.Just a heads up for her to avoid the dump.

[Richard Simmons]

Becker BK2 Campanion

https://www.kabar.com/product/productDetail.do?productNumber=BK2&mode=category&categoryId=1,2,3,7&categoryName=All-Purpose/Utility

The scales are a slick on mine but I intend to fix that by stippling them with a soldering iron. Disregard the price in the link. You can find them for under $60 online and at that price they are a real steal of a deal.