Dealing with police, article and video, black perspective

[Kadmos]

Got linked to this, might be a repost.

Basically it's about blacks having "the talk" (not sex, the other one) with their kids about dealing with police.

Seems like great info

Just a snippet of "the 10 simple rules" to get you interested...


1) Calm down. This is the cardinal rule for dealing with any law enforcement agent, be they your local or state police or the FBI or Homeland Security. Bottom line is flying off the handle or taking an attitude will make them think you’re a potentially volatile subject and that means possibly dangerous. Many cops deal with volcanic personalities on a daily basis and they don’t know who is a nutjob with a gun or a knife who might harm them or someone nearby.

http://newsone.com/3047218/johnny-law-and-you-10-simple-rules-for-police-encounters/


And the accompanying video...yeah it's a long ass video, but if you just want to watch a couple minutes hit from about 3:00 to about 8:00.

It's worth it to watch a black guy tell some truths about the different points of view.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4nQ_mFJV4I#t=115

[5.56NATO]

Lol that officer singlehandedly pinched off the flow of tech 9s into da hood!

bonus tech n9ne

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fsrFIe0ZXTo

[El Laton Caliente]

This works also...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QR465HoCWFQ

[samiam]

What should be every American's perspective

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[5.56NATO]

So it's profiling when you respond to being beaten and an attempt at having your weapon taken from you by a career criminal?

[samiam]

So it's profiling when you respond to being beaten and an attempt at having your weapon taken from you by a career criminal?

NO it's not, however the Grand Jury has not returned its findings, in addition Ferguson and other St. Louis area PD's have a history of hiring officers with questionable histories

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/08/20/1323221/-Ferguson-hired-police-officer-with-horrendous-history-of-violence-against-citizens#

In a city where the killing of an unarmed black teenager by a white cop has revealed profound racial tensions, Boyd's story represents an anomaly: he is one of just three African-American police officers in a department of 53. [...]

In the city of St. Louis, the complaints against Boyd started rolling in nearly a decade ago, not long after he left the police academy. The St. Louis Metropolitan Police Department's internal affairs division investigated two allegations of physical abuse against children in 2004 and 2005 but did not sustain them, meaning that the investigation did not reveal sufficient evidence to support the allegations.

Internal affairs did sustain the third serious complaint against Boyd, however. In April 2006, Boyd got into an argument with 12-year-old Jerica Thornton while following the girl and her brother home from school, according to a judge's summary of the investigation.

Let's see how this played out.

After a verbal altercation turned physical, Boyd tackled the brother to the ground. When Jerica came to his aid, Boyd struck her in the head with his gun.

Boyd later claimed that he had pistol-whipped the girl "accidentally." Internal affairs disagreed, recommending that Boyd be dropped from the department's rolls.

Of course they didn't fire him, and after another incident, Boyd was moved on again. This time to Ferguson. Well, why might they do that? Money. Always money.

Despite the lawsuit, Ferguson may have had a simple motivation in hiring Boyd. Speaking generally, St. Louis University law professor Roger Goldman said departments save money on training by hiring officers who are already licensed.

"Why are you willing to overlook that previous misconduct?" he asked. "You might not have that much money."

Goldman said this happens in "case after case," particularly in "an area like St. Louis, where you've got something like 55 departments."

"It's called the ‘muni shuffle,’" he said.

If Ferguson was hoping to save money on Boyd's training, it might wind up spending more in the end. The city is currently defending another lawsuit against Boyd.

[5.56NATO]

Yeah that's nice and all but this case is (allegedly) about a career criminal attacking a police officer and being dealt with properly.

[samiam]

The truth can be such an annoying thing

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The Day Ferguson Cops Were Caught in a Bloody Lie
The officers got the wrong man, but charged him anyway—with getting his blood on their uniforms. How the Ferguson PD ran the town where Michael Brown was gunned down.

Police in Ferguson, Missouri, once charged a man with destruction of property for bleeding on their uniforms while four of them allegedly beat him.

“On and/or about the 20th day of Sept. 20, 2009 at or near 222 S. Florissant within the corporate limits of Ferguson, Missouri, the above named defendant did then and there unlawfully commit the offense of ‘property damage’ to wit did transfer blood to the uniform,” reads the charge sheet.

The address is the headquarters of the Ferguson Police Department, where a 52-year-old welder named Henry Davis was taken in the predawn hours on that date. He had been arrested for an outstanding warrant that proved to actually be for another man of the same surname, but a different middle name and Social Security number.

“I said, ‘I told you guys it wasn’t me,’” Davis later testified.

He recalled the booking officer saying, “We have a problem.”

The booking officer had no other reason to hold Davis, who ended up in Ferguson only because he missed the exit for St. Charles and then pulled off the highway because the rain was so heavy he could not see to drive. The cop who had pulled up behind him must have run his license plate and assumed he was that other Henry Davis. Davis said the cop approached his vehicle, grabbed his cellphone from his hand, cuffed him and placed him in the back seat of the patrol car, without a word of explanation.

But the booking officer was not ready just to let Davis go, and proceeded to escort him to a one-man cell that already had a man in it asleep on the lone bunk. Davis says that he asked the officer if he could at least have one of the sleeping mats that were stacked nearby.

”He said I wasn’t getting one,” Davis said.

Davis balked at being a second man in a one-man cell.

“Because it’s 3 in the morning,” he later testified. “Who going to sleep on a cement floor?”

The booking officer summoned a number of fellow cops. One opened the cell door while another suddenly charged, propelling Davis inside and slamming him against the back wall.

“I told the police officers there that I didn’t do nothing, ‘Why is you guys doing this to me?’” Davis testified. “They said, ‘OK, just lay on the ground and put your hands behind your back.’”

Davis said he complied and that a female officer straddled and then handcuffed him. Two other officers crowded into the cell.

“They started hitting me,” he testified. “I was getting hit and I just covered up.”

The other two stepped out and the female officer allegedly lifted Davis’ head as the cop who had initially pushed him into the cell reappeared.

“He ran in and kicked me in the head,” Davis recalled. “I almost passed out at that point… Paramedics came… They said it was too much blood, I had to go to the hospital.”

A patrol car took the bleeding Davis to a nearby emergency room. He refused treatment, demanding somebody first take his picture.

“I wanted a witness and proof of what they done to me,” Davis said.

He was driven back to the jail, where he was held for several days before he posted $1,500 bond on four counts of “property damage.” Police Officer John Beaird had signed complaints swearing on pain of perjury that Davis had bled on his uniform and those of three fellow officers.

The remarkable turned inexplicable when Beaird was deposed in a civil case that Davis subsequently brought seeking redress and recompense.

Schottel figures the courts might take the problems of the Ferguson Police Department as more than de minimis as a result of the protests sparked when an officer shot and killed an unarmed 18-year-old named Michael Brown.

“After Mr. Davis was detained, did you have any blood on you?” asked Davis’ lawyer, James Schottel.

“No, sir,” Beaird replied.

Schottel showed Beaird a copy of the “property damage” complaint.

“Is that your signature as complainant?” the lawyer asked.

“It is, sir,” the cop said.

“And what do you allege that Mr. Davis did unlawfully in this one?” the lawyer asked.

“Transferred blood to my uniform while Davis was resisting,” the cop said.

“And didn’t I ask you earlier in this deposition if Mr. Davis got blood on your uniform?”

“You did, sir.”

“And didn’t you respond no?”

“Correct. I did.”

Beaird seemed to be either admitting perjury or committing it. The depositions of other officers suggested that the “property damage” charges were not just bizarre, but trumped up.

“There was no blood on my uniform,” said Police Officer Christopher Pillarick.

And then there was Officer Michael White, the one accused of kicking Davis in the head, an allegation he denies, as his fellow officers deny striking Davis. White had reported suffering a bloody nose in the mayhem.

“Did you see Mr. Davis bleeding at all?” the lawyer, Schottel, asked.

“I did not,” White replied.

“Did Mr. Davis get any blood on you while you were in the cell?” Schottel asked.

“No,” White said.

The contradictions between the complaint and the depositions apparently are what prompted the prosecutor to drop the “property damage” allegation. The prosecutor also dropped a felony charge of assault on an officer that had been lodged more than a year after the incident and shortly after Davis filed his civil suit.

Davis suggested in his testimony that if the police really thought he had assaulted an officer he would have been charged back when he was jailed.

“They would have filed those charges right then and there, because that’s a major felony,” he noted.

Indisputable evidence of what transpired in the cell might have been provided by a surveillance camera, but it turned out that the VHS video was recorded at 32 times normal speed.

“It was like a blur,” Schottel told The Daily Beast on Wednesday. “You couldn’t see anything.”

The blur proved to be from 12 hours after the incident anyway. The cops had saved the wrong footage after Schottel asked them to preserve it.

Schottel got another unpleasant surprise when he sought the use-of-force history of the officers involved. He learned that before a new chief took over in 2010 the department had a surprising protocol for non-fatal use-of-force reports.

“The officer himself could complete it and give it to the supervisor for his approval,” the prior chief, Thomas Moonier, testified in a deposition. “I would read it. It would be placed in my out basket, and my secretary would probably take it and put it with the case file.”

No copy was made for the officer’s personnel file.

“Everything involved in an incident would generally be with the police report,” Moonier said. “I don’t know what they maintain in personnel files.”

“Who was in charge of personnel files, of maintaining them?” Schottel asked.

“I have no idea,” Moonier said. “I believe City Hall, but I don’t know.”

Schottel focused on the date of the incident.

“On September 20th, 2009, was there any way to identify any officers that were subject of one or more citizens’ complaints?” he asked.

“Not to my knowledge,” Moonier said.

“Was there any way to identify any officers who had completed several use-of-force reports?”

“I don’t recall.”

But however lax the department’s system and however contradictory the officers’ testimony, a federal magistrate ruled that the apparent perjury about the “property damage” charges was too minor to constitute a violation of due process and that Davis’ injuries were de minimis—too minor to warrant a finding of excessive force. Never mind that a CAT scan taken after the incident confirmed that he had suffered a concussion.

Schottel has appealed and expects to argue the case in December. He will contend that perjury is perjury however minor the charge and note that both the NFL and Major League Baseball have learned to consider a concussion a serious injury.

Schottel figures the courts might take the problems of the Ferguson Police Department as more than de minimis as a result of the protests sparked when an officer shot and killed an unarmed 18-year-old named Michael Brown on the afternoon of Aug. 9.

“Your chances on appeal are going up,” a fellow lawyer told him.

At least one witness has said that Brown was shot in the back and then in the chest and head as he turned toward the officer with his hands raised.

“I said, ‘Well, that doesn’t surprise me,’” Schottel told The Daily Beast on Wednesday. “I said I already know about Ferguson, nothing new can faze me about Ferguson.”

Schottel has also deposed the new chief, Thomas Jackson, who took over in 2010. Jackson testified that he has instituted a centralized system whereby all complaints lodged against cops by citizens or supervisors go through him and are assigned a number in an internal affairs log. Schottel views Jackson as “not a bad guy,” someone who has been trying to make positive change.

“He wants to do right, but it was such a mess,” Schottel said Wednesday.

Jackson has seemed less than progressive as he delayed identifying the officer involved in the shooting for fear it would place him and his family in danger. Jackson would only say the officer is white and has been on the job for six years. This means that for his first two and most formative years the officer might have been writing his own force reports and that none of them went into his file.

“It’s hard to get people to clean things up, especially if they’re used to doing things a certain way,” Schottel said.

On Friday, police finally identified the officer as Darren Wilson, who is said to have no disciplinary record, as such records are kept in Ferguson. We already know that he started out at a time when it was accepted for a Ferguson cop to charge somebody with property damage for bleeding on his uniform and later saying there was no blood on him at all.

[El Jefe]

Whatever. Libs on parade. Its fact that blacks are violent, yet its profiling to point it out.

Sam, you and Kad can carry on with your self loathing and America hating, whatever, but don't expect to influence anyone else here with your Daily Kos BS.

[Silentkilla01]

Whatever. Libs on parade. Its fact that blacks are violent, yet its profiling to point it out.

Sam, you and Kad can carry on with your self loathing and America hating, whatever, but don't expect to influence anyone else here with your Daily Kos BS.

Running round yo family. With a pocket full of shells. We running round yo family, wit a pocket full of shells. Libs on parade. Yeah them bad ass lying little nigglets is gone get they ass whooped. El jefe don't pay no mind to me. Still drunk from last night.

[El Laton Caliente]

No profiling?

So if a White guy robs a liqueur story the cops should pull over Black Men?

If SUR13 does a gang hit the cops should just pull over non-Hispanics?

If the Tong kill a shop keeper in an extortion racket the cops should look for Hindus?

Take it further...

If the majority of the gang trouble in an area is Norteños the cops should be looking at the Korean community?

The stupid is strong in this idea...

[Kadmos]

Ok, well...I was just trying to post up an article and video with what seems like good practical advice on how not to have these things happen in the future.

I thought the "Be calm and don't have an attitude" would have been particularly useful, and thought it was cool that a black guy was standing up and saying these truths to other black people.

Sometimes it's better to be smart, than to be "right".

Seems to me if Brown had followed this advice, then it's fairly likely none of this would have happened.

[El Jefe]

Ok, well...I was just trying to post up an article and video with what seems like good practical advice on how not to have these things happen in the future.

I thought the "Be calm and don't have an attitude" would have been particularly useful, and thought it was cool that a black guy was standing up and saying these truths to other black people.

Sometimes it's better to be smart, than to be "right".

Seems to me if Brown had followed this advice, then it's fairly likely none of this would have happened.

But he didn't do the smart thing did he. Why is it you think those on this forum need to see this stuff?

[Kadmos]

But he didn't do the smart thing did he.

Probably true. Kinda my point there.



Why is it you think those on this forum need to see this stuff?

Need? I wouldn't say "need", any more than we "need" you to randomly post "For fucks sake" every now and then.

But it has some substance, might be of interest to some. If it holds none for you, that's fine, you chose to waste your own time...that's about it.

[Silentkilla01]

Probably true. Kinda my point there.




Need? I wouldn't say "need", any more than we "need" you to randomly post "For fucks sake" every now and then.

But it has some substance, might be of interest to some. If it holds none for you, that's fine, you chose to waste your own time...that's about it.
But I like that shit Kad damn. OH FOR FUCKS SAKE.

[El Laton Caliente]

Ok, well...I was just trying to post up an article and video with what seems like good practical advice on how not to have these things happen in the future.

I thought the "Be calm and don't have an attitude" would have been particularly useful, and thought it was cool that a black guy was standing up and saying these truths to other black people.

Sometimes it's better to be smart, than to be "right".

Seems to me if Brown had followed this advice, then it's fairly likely none of this would have happened.

Yea, but I think the Chris Rock version is funnier... and does make the same point.

[Kadmos]

Yea, but I think the Chris Rock version is funnier... and does make the same point.

This is true, I rather enjoyed that :)

[weevil]

Yea, but I think the Chris Rock version is funnier... and does make the same point.


+1

Yeah it's humorous but very true.


The main difference as I see it is when some braindead hillbilly trash meth-head does something stupid and gets shot, beaten, tased, killed, etc........white people don't riot or hold rallies in support, other than possibly family and friends, we just say the dumbass got what was coming to him for being stupid.



Why would you make a hero out of a common criminal?


Seriously, who here would be upset if the cops beat the crap out of LAGC???

[El Jefe]

Probably true. Kinda my point there.




Need? I wouldn't say "need", any more than we "need" you to randomly post "For fucks sake" every now and then.

But it has some substance, might be of interest to some. If it holds none for you, that's fine, you chose to waste your own time...that's about it.

Oh for fucks sake! :aktion052_msnemotic

[El Jefe]

+1

Yeah it's humorous but very true.


The main difference as I see it is when some braindead hillbilly trash meth-head does something stupid and gets shot, beaten, tased, killed, etc........white people don't riot or hold rallies in support, other than possibly family and friends, we just say the dumbass got what was coming to him for being stupid.



Why would you make a hero out of a common criminal?


Seriously, who here would be upset if the cops beat the crap out of LAGC???

I'd like that on bluray please. :)

[LAGC]

I'd like that on bluray please. :)

Back in 2000, on this very forum, I posted a pic of myself being face-planted on the pavement in the middle of a busy intersection during a protest, with a cop's knee to my back after being pepper-sprayed in the face.

Note to self: don't dress in black BDU fatigues during a protest, unless you want to mistaken for an "anarchist ringleader." ;)

Alas, everything was lost after my Zip disk (remember those?) failed, and of course all those thousands of posts from the old site are gone as well.

Bummer. :(

[El Jefe]

Back in 2000, on this very forum, I posted a pic of myself being face-planted on the pavement in the middle of a busy intersection during a protest, with a cop's knee to my back after being pepper-sprayed in the face.

Note to self: don't dress in black BDU fatigues during a protest, unless you want to mistaken for an "anarchist ringleader." ;)

Alas, everything was lost after my Zip disk (remember those?) failed, and of course all those thousands of posts from the old site are gone as well.

Bummer. :(

They should have clubbed you like a baby seal.