Police captain punished for refusing to attend Muslim Brotherhood-linked mosque

[5.56NATO]

The city of Tulsa, Oklahoma, punished one of its own veteran police commanders for his refusal to attend a Muslim religious service being held at a mosque he said practiced radical Islamic dogma, according to court records. He also "dared" to refuse to order his officers to visit a mosque he alleges has ties to the Muslim Brotherhood.
Captain Paul Fields said he was told to participate in what he characterized as a "proselytizing" Islamic worship service and that he must also order the police officers under his command to also attend and participate in the service. As a result he was relieved of his command and was harassed by the Internal Affairs Division (IAD), a group called the "rat squad" by most American cops in a majority of law enforcement agencies.
http://www.examiner.com/article/police-captain-punished-for-refusing-to-attend-muslim-brotherhood-linked-mosque


Gee, I wonder why he didn't want to attend religious services.
Maybe because of this;
http://www.examiner.com/article/police-captain-punished-for-refusing-to-attend-muslim-brotherhood-linked-mosque
http://wonkette.com/561897/oklahoma-jihad-update-please-be-more-afraid-you-are-not-afraid-enough-yet
http://kfor.com/2014/09/25/reports-police-respond-to-possible-shooting-near-moore-grocery-store/
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2014/09/29/The-Jihad-Origins-of-the-Oklahoma-Beheaders-Hamas-Mosque

[Krupski]

The city of Tulsa, Oklahoma, punished one of its own veteran police commanders for his refusal to attend a Muslim religious service being held at a mosque he said practiced radical Islamic dogma, according to court records. He also "dared" to refuse to order his officers to visit a mosque he alleges has ties to the Muslim Brotherhood.
Captain Paul Fields said he was told to participate in what he characterized as a "proselytizing" Islamic worship service and that he must also order the police officers under his command to also attend and participate in the service. As a result he was relieved of his command and was harassed by the Internal Affairs Division (IAD), a group called the "rat squad" by most American cops in a majority of law enforcement agencies.
http://www.examiner.com/article/police-captain-punished-for-refusing-to-attend-muslim-brotherhood-linked-mosque


Gee, I wonder why he didn't want to attend religious services.
Maybe because of this;
http://www.examiner.com/article/police-captain-punished-for-refusing-to-attend-muslim-brotherhood-linked-mosque
http://wonkette.com/561897/oklahoma-jihad-update-please-be-more-afraid-you-are-not-afraid-enough-yet
http://kfor.com/2014/09/25/reports-police-respond-to-possible-shooting-near-moore-grocery-store/
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2014/09/29/The-Jihad-Origins-of-the-Oklahoma-Beheaders-Hamas-Mosque

WTF???????


When Fields [the police captain] took legal action against his police department, it ended up before the federal judges who sat on the Tenth Circuit Court of Appeals and the court upheld the punishment of Capt. Fields. In essence the court ruled that the decorated cop should have visited the mosque and brought his officers with him as he was ordered to do by the city's political leaders.

OK, atheists can bitch about a religious symbol and get it removed by court order under the supposed "separation of church and state" thing, but the "state" can order it's employees to attend a "religious" service?

(note that I say "religious" solely for the sake of readability. islam is in no way a "religion". it's a deranged cult of torture, murder, child molestation and female degradation).

What are We, the People supposed to do when the COURTS rule in favor of illegality, insanity and unconstitutionality? When "the law" and "the court" is no longer a valid recourse, what's left?

God I hope this cop wins his case in the SCOTUS... this is just plain WRONG.

[sevlex]

I thought this looked familiar:

http://www.gunsnet.net/showthread.php/11239-A-good-cop

[Krupski]

I thought this looked familiar:

http://www.gunsnet.net/showthread.php/11239-A-good-cop


WTF??? The article is dated yesterday (13 October 2014)!

Wonder why it was re-hashed as something new?

[Kadmos]

WTF??? The article is dated yesterday (13 October 2014)!

Wonder why it was re-hashed as something new?


It's because the court made it's ruling. They did kind of bury the lead on that.

The PDF of the ruling lays it out pretty well https://www.ca10.uscourts.gov/opinions/12/12-5218.pdf

Basically it was a police appreciation event, for seeing the Mosque safely through a threat that was made against it. So the Mosque laid out a buffet, was giving tours, letting the police and community watch one scheduled prayer session (optional, and the orders were made for times where officers could easily avoid it), and some option discussion groups.

The department had attended something like 3,000 such public events in the previous ten years, with hundreds of them at various religious institutions, which no one seemed to have an issue with, until ordered to go to a Muslim one.

[5.56NATO]

It's because the court made it's ruling. They did kind of bury the lead on that.

The PDF of the ruling lays it out pretty well https://www.ca10.uscourts.gov/opinions/12/12-5218.pdf

Basically it was a police appreciation event, for seeing the Mosque safely through a threat that was made against it. So the Mosque laid out a buffet, was giving tours, letting the police and community watch one scheduled prayer session (optional, and the orders were made for times where officers could easily avoid it), and some option discussion groups.

The department had attended something like 3,000 such public events in the previous ten years, with hundreds of them at various religious institutions, which no one seemed to have an issue with, until ordered to go to a Muslim one.

Seems almost hypocritical of the officers, untill you consider how many christian beheadings and flying of planes into skyscrapers is going on.

[Kadmos]

Seems almost hypocritical of the officers, untill you consider how many christian beheadings and flying of planes into skyscrapers is going on.

Which has fuck all to do with that mosque?

[Oswald Bastable]

Which has fuck all to do with that mosque?

Because that mosque preaches radical jihadist theology...you know, the kind that approves of beheadings and flying planes full of infidels into buildings full of infidels...

[Kadmos]

Because that mosque preaches radical jihadist theology...you know, the kind that approves of beheadings and flying planes full of infidels into buildings full of infidels...

Attended a lot of sermons there have you? Or is this just something someone said, or some tenuous link of some member to some charity that has a tenuous link to some group that has some link to someone who might sympathize with some extremist ideas?

The Islamic Society of Tulsa has publicly opposed terrorism, and like most American Islamic orginizations mentions such in it's information, such as on the website here
http://www.istulsa.org/nonmuslims.html

The truly sad thing is that apparently they need to do that at all

[Oswald Bastable]

Attended a lot of sermons there have you? Or is this just something someone said, or some tenuous link of some member to some charity that has a tenuous link to some group that has some link to someone who might sympathize with some extremist ideas?

The Islamic Society of Tulsa has publicly opposed terrorism, and like most American Islamic orginizations mentions such in it's information, such as on the website here
http://www.istulsa.org/nonmuslims.html


the mosque the officer was order to attend is connected to an Imam who is an unindicted co-conspirator in the 1993 World Trade Center bombing and has been recorded proudly making numerous anti-American statements over the years.

http://wizbangblog.com/2014/09/20/tulsa-police-capt-suspended-for-refusing-to-attended-ordered-muslims-mosque-services/

From a 2011 story on the same subject:


According to the opening paragraph of IST's constitution, found on its official website, IST "shall establish and maintain continuous affiliation with the Islamic Society of North America." The following paragraph states, "The aims and purposes of IST shall be to serve the best interest of Islam in the greater Tulsa area [by working] in cooperation with ISNA."

According to the Tulsa County Property Assessor, IST is owned by the North American Islamic Trust (NAIT). Both ISNA and NAIT were named by the U.S. Justice Department, as recently as November 2008, as a party to the financing of millions of dollars to the terrorist organization Hamas.

In October 2006, a member of the mosque, Jamal Miftah, wrote an op-ed published by Tulsa World, denouncing al-Qaeda leader Ayman al-Zawahiri and violence perpetrated in the name of Islam. For this, IST representatives labeled Miftah "anti-Muslim" and a "traitor to Islam" and threw him out of the Islamic center.

In June 2007, Miftah filed suit against the mosque, alleging that IST had been involved in "money laundering" and stating that the money could "ultimately be funneled to undesirable organizations for illegal activities." According to his court petition, he and IST "were not in agreement…with regard for the need to avoid funneling cash donations to organizations with close links to Jihadist terrorists."

Today, on the homepage of IST's website, one can see an announcement for a February 2011 event hosted by IST featuring Siraj Wahhaj, a U.S. government named "unindicted co-conspirator" for the 1993 World Trade Center bombing, and sponsored by ICNA Relief USA, a group that, like ISNA and NAIT, has been associated with funding Hamas.

http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/1941/tulsa-mosque-has-extremist-ties

Good to know you support a mosque funneling money to people sworn to wipe Israel off the face of the earth.


The truly sad thing is that apparently they need to do that at all

The truly sad thing is that you are unable to see through taqiyya.

[5.56NATO]

LOl, kad, how do you feel about hamas?

[Kadmos]

http://wizbangblog.com/2014/09/20/tulsa-police-capt-suspended-for-refusing-to-attended-ordered-muslims-mosque-services/

From a 2011 story on the same subject:



http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/1941/tulsa-mosque-has-extremist-ties

Good to know you support a mosque funneling money to people sworn to wipe Israel off the face of the earth.



The truly sad thing is that you are unable to see through taqiyya.

Sorry, but that's basically like 6 degrees of Kevin Bacon, the center is a member of an organization which supported an organization that collected funds for humanitarian relief in Hamas controlled areas, but may have in some way given material support to Hamas, which they couldn't even prove in the first trial, but with partial acquittals and hung juries managed to convince a new batch of jurors to convict.

Not convict the mosque of course, but the organization "tied" to the organization "tied" to the mosque.

So basically the mosque puts up a sign saying "Help feed the poor in Gaza", and then down the line someone totally separate from them uses the money to perhaps help Hamas.



the mosque the officer was order to attend is connected to an Imam who is an unindicted co-conspirator in the 1993 World Trade Center bombing and has been recorded proudly making numerous anti-American statements over the years.

So some guy at the mosque is the cousin of some guy who once delivered lamb kabobs to the people who bomber the WTC?

What happened to being able to indict a ham sandwich, 20+ years later and they still haven't indicted this guy?

If people referred to you as an "unindicted co-conspirator" for over 20 years, you might have some choice words for the government as well.

Come to think of it, I do believe you have had some choice words for the government before...is it fair to say you have been "proudly making numerous anti-American statements over the years"?


Taqiyya...that's rich. Seems to me plenty of Muslims have no issues with making their true feelings well known. It's not hard to find the one's who dislike us, they will happily yell it in your face. Yet all the rest, the peaceful ones....they are spies who secretly are acting all good and stuff because taqiyya "allows them all to lie"....horseshit.

[rci2950]

would it be wrong for someone to eat as much ham and pork chops as they could for two days without shitting, then play the "Phantom shitter" game somewhere in that mosque?

Phantom shitter is a weird phenomon in the Canadian Navy where a turd will mysteriously appear on the floor somewhere. Seems to happen during extra special port visits or during training scenarios where sailors are placed in army barracks. My first exposure to this was in Basic training where someone came in from another platoon and shit in the Drier of our laundry room.

[Richard Simmons]

Seems almost hypocritical of the officers, untill you consider how many christian beheadings and flying of planes into skyscrapers is going on.

Could have been a good opportunity to gather some intel.

[FunkyPertwee]

Could have been a good opportunity to gather some intel.

They put on a public face when needed.

My college had a event where they went to the local mosque to interact with them for the day. I went to the same mosque two weeks later unannounced, and had a completely different experience with a totally different set of people, that was much less positive than the reception the college received on their official visitation day.

They weren't happy to have us at all, and only a few people even bothered to acknowledge us. I put on my ignorant college student persona and treated my visit as an opportunity to collect intel. Part of the sermon included treating infidels with with enough charity to convince them of the good intentions of Islam, and but that it should be done with an absence of heartfelt compassion. In other words, behave compassionately enough to gain the public trust, but never give up the internal hatred of infidels in your heart.

[Krupski]

It's because the court made it's ruling. They did kind of bury the lead on that.

The PDF of the ruling lays it out pretty well https://www.ca10.uscourts.gov/opinions/12/12-5218.pdf

Basically it was a police appreciation event, for seeing the Mosque safely through a threat that was made against it. So the Mosque laid out a buffet, was giving tours, letting the police and community watch one scheduled prayer session (optional, and the orders were made for times where officers could easily avoid it), and some option discussion groups.

The department had attended something like 3,000 such public events in the previous ten years, with hundreds of them at various religious institutions, which no one seemed to have an issue with, until ordered to go to a Muslim one.

I suppose you agree with the court decision... :thumbsdown:

If I were in the same situation, I would also refuse to go.

[Krupski]

Which has fuck all to do with that mosque?

You know full well what he meant.

Funny thing... the muzzies hate you Jews the most, yet you're sticking up for them.

I suppose you're already packed up for your train ride too?

Some people NEVER LEARN.

[Oswald Bastable]

Come to think of it, I do believe you have had some choice words for the government before...is it fair to say you have been "proudly making numerous anti-American statements over the years"?

Why, already turned me in to the FBI & NSA? Or just considering it?

[Richard Simmons]

They put on a public face when needed.

My college had a event where they went to the local mosque to interact with them for the day. I went to the same mosque two weeks later unannounced, and had a completely different experience with a totally different set of people, that was much less positive than the reception the college received on their official visitation day.

They weren't happy to have us at all, and only a few people even bothered to acknowledge us. I put on my ignorant college student persona and treated my visit as an opportunity to collect intel. Part of the sermon included treating infidels with with enough charity to convince them of the good intentions of Islam, and but that it should be done with an absence of heartfelt compassion. In other words, behave compassionately enough to gain the public trust, but never give up the internal hatred of infidels in your heart.

I was thinking more along the lines of who was a member not what they were doing or saying. Some members may not have shown up especially if they were distrustful of the police or involved in wrong doing but there may have been members that the police had no idea were Muslim. On the flip side it could very well have just been a segment of the community that just wanted to say thank you. You'll never know the real motivation but the opportunity to gather intelligence was still there.

[Kadmos]

You know full well what he meant.

Funny thing... the muzzies hate you Jews the most, yet you're sticking up for them.

I suppose you're already packed up for your train ride too?

Some people NEVER LEARN.

There are white supremacist Christians in this country who would love to kill Jews.

This does not mean all whites want to kill Jews, nor does it mean all Christians want to kill Jews.

Same goes for Muslims.

The majority are just decent people wanting to live their lives with no intent on harming anyone else.

I'm not denying that some are horrible people, but I'm not going to paint them all with a broad brush, just like I'm not going to do that for Christians, blacks, Asians, the Welsh, etc.

It's the people who chose to paint other people in that manner that scare me, the reactionary paranoid hateful bigoted people who in the name of "what is right and proper" go on an epic killing spree.

That's the type of people who need to be watched, they are the one's who cause these things. I believe this because I in fact chose to learn from their mistakes.

Think about it, the NAZI's probably weren't 100% wrong in some things, even concerning the Jews to a degree. I'm sure there were George Soros and Bernie Madoff types of that day. Jews who cared much more about money than people, and were more than happy to "short" the German currency in order to make a buck. But that doesn't change the fact that for every 1 of that type there were 10,000 farmers, bakers, potters, doctors, etc. who had nothing to do with any of that.

[Full Otto]

Same goes for Jews too I guess

http://www.jewsonfirst.org/
"Defending the First Amendment against the Christian Right,"

http://www.rense.com/general75/intens.htm
The rabbis who criticize Hagee and refuse to show up for his "Night to Honor Israel" show more clarity than most Christian pastors; they are openly aware of the antagonism between true Christianity and their own humanist, globalist, Christ-rejecting agenda. They recognize the gulf that stretches in America between Christian morality and motives and the Jewish liberal social agenda.

If you don't think this gulf exists, browse www.jewsonfirst.org. This website openly displays Jewish hatred of Christianity and Christian expression. With the tagline, "Defending the First Amendment against the Christian Right," the JewsOnFirst site showcases Jewish efforts to silence Christian expression in America.

[Oswald Bastable]

Taqiyya...that's rich. Seems to me plenty of Muslims have no issues with making their true feelings well known. It's not hard to find the one's who dislike us, they will happily yell it in your face. Yet all the rest, the peaceful ones....they are spies who secretly are acting all good and stuff because taqiyya "allows them all to lie"....horseshit.

Too funny...

A religion with a precept that diametrically opposes the 9th commandment...and you see no conflict of interest there with western precepts. And let's not even get into all the bits and pieces that are diametrically opposed to the 6th commandment...

“Tolerance is a virtue of a man without convictions,” -- G.K. Chesterton.

[Kadmos]

Too funny...

A religion with a precept that diametrically opposes the 9th commandment...and you see no conflict of interest there with western precepts. And let's not even get into all the bits and pieces that are diametrically opposed to the 6th commandment...

The ninth says "Thou shall not bear false witness against thy neighbor", it doesn't say you can't lie to save your own ass. It doesn't even say you shall not bear false witness FOR thy neighbor.

As for the 6th, show me the religion that hasn't broken that one in the name of pretending to know what's right...

Pretty sure we did an estimated 50,000-75,000 counts of breaking the 6th in the last war, but we just called it "collateral damage".


“Tolerance is a virtue of a man without convictions,” -- G.K. Chesterton.

“The first thing a man will do for his ideals is lie.”
― Joseph Schumpeter

“We have convictions only if we have studied nothing thoroughly.”
― Emil Cioran

“Despite my firm convictions, I have been always a man who tries to face facts, and to accept the reality of life as new experience and new knowledge unfolds it. I have always kept an open mind, which is necessary to the flexibility that must go hand in hand with every form of intelligent search for truth.”
― Malcolm X

“Convictions are more dangerous foes of truth than lies.”
― Friedrich Nietzsche

“It's an universal law-- intolerance is the first sign of an inadequate education. An ill-educated person behaves with arrogant impatience, whereas truly profound education breeds humility.”
― Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

“Laws alone can not secure freedom of expression; in order that every man present his views without penalty there must be spirit of tolerance in the entire population.”
― Albert Einstein

“The highest result of education is tolerance”
― Helen Keller

“If man is to survive, he will have learned to take a delight in the essential differences between men and between cultures. He will learn that differences in ideas and attitudes are a delight, part of life's exciting variety, not something to fear.”
― Gene Roddenberry

“We must learn to live together as brothers or perish together as fools”
― Martin Luther King Jr.

“Discord is the great ill of mankind; and tolerance is the only remedy for it.”
― Voltaire

[Oswald Bastable]

The ninth says "Thou shall not bear false witness against thy neighbor", it doesn't say you can't lie to save your own ass. It doesn't even say you shall not bear false witness FOR thy neighbor.

Ah...the "use a cradle" diminishment of a commandment...ever willing to attempt to drag God to man's base level, never attempting to understand his perfection...

I stand by my previous statement...you're a putz.


As for the 6th, show me the religion that hasn't broken that one in the name of pretending to know what's right...

Pretty sure we did an estimated 50,000-75,000 counts of breaking the 6th in the last war, but we just called it "collateral damage".

Please explain to us how many wrongs equate to devolving the 6th, to "use a cradle"?

[Kadmos]

Ah...the "use a cradle" diminishment of a commandment...ever willing to attempt to drag God to man's base level, never attempting to understand his perfection...

I stand by my previous statement...you're a putz.



Please explain to us how many wrongs equate to devolving the 6th, to "use a cradle"?

We discussed this before, the bible shows many examples of people blatantly lying for a good reason and does not condemn them.

As to Solomon's story, which moral do you think has actually had a larger impact on the world...being willing to threaten to cut babies in half to settle disputes, or determining safe sleeping arraignments for infants?

Truthfully it saddens me that you apparently cannot appreciate the diversity and complexity of the messages which can be found in the bible.

[Oswald Bastable]

Truthfully it saddens me...

Surely you jest...

But as to Solomon's story, given the "use a cradle" explanation is mostly unknown (except perhaps among Jewish putz's) and the one toward cultivating wisdom is the most widely disseminated, and given that interpretation also encompasses yours...perhaps you can answer your own question...

Care to tackle the second charge now?

[rci2950]

Why do we always end up in a heated agruement?

[Oswald Bastable]

Why do we always end up in a heated agruement?

Because there are a pair of communist infiltrators on the forum...and they relish those arguments...

They abhor the thought that anyone might think or reason differently than they do...and it vexes them.

Surely you've seen all the good they've done for the world, from the UN to the EU, to every socialist/communist government all down the line...all that hope, change and rose colored glasses glory..

[Krupski]

Same goes for Muslims.
The majority are just decent people wanting to live their lives with no intent on harming anyone else.


That's where you are dead wrong. Anyone who is a real muslim has a duty to convert everyone to islam or else kill them.

Anyone who is "decent" is either NOT a muslim or else acting "decent" temporarily in order to further the agenda.


Think about it, the NAZI's probably weren't 100% wrong in some things, even concerning the Jews to a degree. I'm sure there were George Soros and Bernie Madoff types of that day. Jews who cared much more about money than people, and were more than happy to "short" the German currency in order to make a buck.

I simply cannot believe what I just read... and even more unreal is that you wrote it.

Either you don't know history or else you are a hopeless pathetic pacifist who just can't wait to climb aboard the train when ordered to. One or the other.

[Krupski]

Same goes for Jews too I guess

http://www.jewsonfirst.org/
"Defending the First Amendment against the Christian Right,"

http://www.rense.com/general75/intens.htm
The rabbis who criticize Hagee and refuse to show up for his "Night to Honor Israel" show more clarity than most Christian pastors; they are openly aware of the antagonism between true Christianity and their own humanist, globalist, Christ-rejecting agenda. They recognize the gulf that stretches in America between Christian morality and motives and the Jewish liberal social agenda.

If you don't think this gulf exists, browse www.jewsonfirst.org (http://www.jewsonfirst.org). This website openly displays Jewish hatred of Christianity and Christian expression. With the tagline, "Defending the First Amendment against the Christian Right," the JewsOnFirst site showcases Jewish efforts to silence Christian expression in America.


Bah. I'm not worried about a few loud-mouthed Jews. If they get out of hand, all we need to do is order them to climb aboard the train.

[Krupski]

“If man is to survive, he will have learned to take a delight in the essential differences between men and between cultures. He will learn that differences in ideas and attitudes are a delight, part of life's exciting variety, not something to fear.”
― Gene Roddenberry


You may have noticed that there are no muslims in Star Trek. I think Gene knew something that we are just beginning to learn.

[Krupski]

Why do we always end up in a heated agrument?

Scroll to Post #1 of this thread, then read. Keep reading and eventually your question will be answered.

[Kadmos]

That's where you are dead wrong. Anyone who is a real muslim has a duty to convert everyone to islam or else kill them.

Anyone who is "decent" is either NOT a muslim or else acting "decent" temporarily in order to further the agenda.

I, and hundreds of millions of Muslims disagree with your personal interpretation of their holy book.


I simply cannot believe what I just read... and even more unreal is that you wrote it.

Either you don't know history or else you are a hopeless pathetic pacifist who just can't wait to climb aboard the train when ordered to. One or the other.

I should have been obvious that I didn't mean that Hitler was right to murder the Jews. But obviously there were examples at that time of some of the things he and the German people took real and reasonable issue with.

I won't defend a man like Soros who to increase his own wealth shorted the British pound, and thereby helping it to fall in value, increasing his own wealth while diminishing the value of the wealth of millions of hard working peoples.

In my eyes that is a monstrous thing to do...even if perfectly legal.

Same for Madoff's actions, except obviously, not so legal.

Those are personally embarrassing for me.

They shouldn't be, but they are, even though I had nothing to do with them and would never consider acting in such shameful ways.

But they are embarrassing to me because I know many people will judge all Jews by those couple of examples, just like Hitler did, just like he convinced half of Europe to do.



You may have noticed that there are no muslims in Star Trek. I think Gene knew something that we are just beginning to learn.

There were also no Christians or Jews in Star Trek.

[5.56NATO]

Spock and Kirk are both jews.

[Full Otto]

Bah. I'm not worried about a few loud-mouthed Jews. If they get out of hand, all we need to do is order them to climb aboard the train.

Hence the title of the article
"Jewish Anti-Christianity Intensifies As Christians Ignore It"

Now I know you know who's in law making positions in your neck of the woods and I know you have asked in the past why the Jews are so anti gun and to leave yours alone.
What law was it that recently went into affect in your state?