MIT Scientist: Global Warming Believers a ‘Cult’

[weevil]

MIT Climate Scientist: Global Warming Believers a ‘Cult’

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/01/21/mit-climate-scientist-global-warming-believers-a-cult/

An MIT professor of meteorology is dismissing global-warming alarmists as a discredited “cult” whose members are becoming more hysterical as emerging evidence continues to contradict their beliefs.

During an appearance on this writer’s radio show Monday, MIT Professor emeritus Richard Lindzen discussed the religious nature of the movement.

“As with any cult, once the mythology of the cult begins falling apart, instead of saying, oh, we were wrong, they get more and more fanatical. I think that’s what’s happening here. Think about it,” he said. “You’ve led an unpleasant life, you haven’t led a very virtuous life, but now you’re told, you get absolution if you watch your carbon footprint. It’s salvation!”

Lindzen, 74, has issued calm dismissals of warmist apocalypse, reducing his critics to sputtering rage.

Last week, government agencies including NASA announced that 2014 was the “hottest year” in “recorded history,” as The New York Times put it in an early edition. Last year has since been demoted by the Times to the hottest “since record-keeping began in 1880.”

But that may not be true. Now the same agencies have acknowledged that there’s only a 38 percent chance that 2014 was the hottest year on record. And even if it was, it was only by two-100ths of a degree.

Lindzen scoffs at the public-sector-generated hysteria, which included one warmist blogger breathlessly writing that the heat record had been “shattered.”

“Seventy percent of the earth is oceans, we can’t measure those temperatures very well. They can be off a half a degree, a quarter of a degree. Even two-10ths of a degree of change would be tiny but two-100ths is ludicrous. Anyone who starts crowing about those numbers shows that they’re putting spin on nothing.”

Last week, after scoffing at Vermont socialist Sen. Bernie Sanders’ call for a Senate vote on global warming, Lindzen was subjected to another barrage of diatribes. At his listed MIT phone number, Prof. Lindzen received a typical anonymous call:

“I think people like you should actually be in jail,” the male caller told him, “because you must know where this is all leading now… the people you support and take your money from to make these outrageously anti-human comments (also ‘know’)… In other words, you’re a sociopath!”

Lindzen chuckled when the voicemail was replayed.

This writer asked him if, as has been alleged in some of the warmist blogs, he is taking money from the energy industry.

“Oh, it would be great!” he said with a laugh. “You have all these people, the Gores and so on, making hundreds of millions of dollars on this, Exxon Mobil giving $100 million to Stanford for people who are working on promoting this hysteria. The notion that the fossil-fuel industry cares – they don’t. As long as they can pass the costs on to you, it’s a new profit center.”

Lindzen said he was fortunate to have gained tenure just as the “climate change” movement was beginning, because now non-believers are often ostracized in academia. In his career he has watched the hysteria of the 1970’s over “global cooling” morph into “global warming.”

“They use climate to push an agenda. But what do you have left when global warming falls apart? Global normalcy? We have to do something about ‘normalcy?’”

As for CO2, Lindzen said that until recently, periods of greater warmth were referred to as “climate optimum.” Optimum is derived from a Latin word meaning “best.”

“Nobody ever questioned that those were the good periods. All of a sudden you were able to inculcate people with the notion that you have to be afraid of warmth.”

The warmists’ ultimate solution is to reduce the standard of living for most of mankind. That proposition is being resisted most vigorously by nations with developing economies such as China and India, both of which have refused to sign on to any restrictive, Obama-backed climate treaties. Lindzen understands their reluctance.

“Anything you do to impoverish people, and certainly all the planned policies will impoverish people, is actually costing lives. But the environmental movement has never cared about that.”



And we've got living proof right here on this board.

:biggrina:

[alismith]

Oh, no. Say it ain't so, Joe.

[LAGC]

An MIT professor of meteorology...

:roflwithfeetcv2:

Too late, Breitbart! Keep trying to carry the Heritage Foundation's Koch-funded propaganda water, but you're not fooling that many people any more:

http://media.hotair.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/yg.jpeg

People are waking up and coming around, and fast.

Pope Francis concurs. More and more even conservative Catholics concur -- many more once he delivers his encyclical here in a few months.

Mitt Romney concurs. Chris Christie concurs. Rand Paul concurs.

The entire GOP Establishment concurs, as will the next president of the United States.

Opposition is rapidly dwindling and the anti-science crowd are finding themselves increasingly marginalized on the national stage.

Scientists and governments around the world are united in agreement and ready for action. All they are waiting for is the United States to finally come around and lead, like we used to when it came to matters of science.

China will need to be poked and prodded a bit, but they will come around once they see us get serious ourselves.

We are on the cusp of history, folks. A global movement unlike no other.

People the world over putting their differences aside, uniting with one voice to take action to stop humanity from committing collective seppuku.

We may just prove ourselves to not be such dumb, short-sighted primates worthy of gracing this planet for many more centuries after all. ;)

[Goodman]

-mocking scientists with input on a scientific subject while also suggesting the Pope and politicians have more legitimate input on the subject

-using graphs from a foreign polling company with no context or link to support contention

-suggesting foreign totalitarian governments will follow the USA's lead because it is clearly 'the thing to do'

Is that post supposed to be a joke??

That's a rhetorical question.

[LAGC]

I'll trust the meteorologists to tell me if its going to rain tomorrow night on the local news.

I'll leave it to the actual climate scientists to weigh in on the bigger picture, thank you very much. ;)

[weevil]

“As with any cult, once the mythology of the cult begins falling apart, instead of saying, oh, we were wrong, they get more and more fanatical. I think that’s what’s happening here. Think about it,” he said. “You’ve led an unpleasant life, you haven’t led a very virtuous life, but now you’re told, you get absolution if you watch your carbon footprint. It’s salvation!”


Hmmm.....sound like anyone we know?

[Goodman]

I'll trust the meteorologists to tell me if its going to rain tomorrow night on the local news.

I'll leave it to the actual climate scientists to weigh in on the bigger picture, thank you very much. ;)

You self-contradict. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Lindzen

[LAGC]

“As with any cult, once the mythology of the cult begins falling apart, instead of saying, oh, we were wrong, they get more and more fanatical. I think that’s what’s happening here. Think about it,” he said. “You’ve led an unpleasant life, you haven’t led a very virtuous life, but now you’re told, you get absolution if you watch your carbon footprint. It’s salvation!”

Nah, we'll leave that sentimental shit for the pope to feed to his faithful flock.

That whole "if ya can't dazzle them with brilliance (science), baffle them with B.S. (religion)" strategy ;)

In the meantime, the adults in the room will try to figure out ways to make meaningful cuts in global emissions without making people have to think about it all the time.

The coal industry is going to need to be targeted. Big time.

[LAGC]

You self-contradict. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Lindzen

It doesn't change the fact that his specialty is Meteorology. Which is probably why no one takes him that seriously in the greater community.

[Kadmos]

77% of people believe in angels

Sounds like we have a consensus, angels exist.

Also 80% of Americans think the government is hiding something about "the Roswell incident".

[LAGC]

77% of people believe in angels

Sounds like we have a consensus, angels exist.

Also 80% of Americans think the government is hiding something about "the Roswell incident".

Well, until you propose a method of testing either of those hypotheses, I'm not too worried about the Senate ratifying any sorts of international treaties on the matter.

:coffee:

[Kadmos]

Well, until you propose a method of testing either of those hypotheses, I'm not too worried about the Senate ratifying any sorts of international treaties on the matter.

:coffee:

Are you kidding? It wouldn't surprise me at all if this senate proclaimed the existence of angels and tried to pass a multibillion dollar bill to fund them as necessary to national security.

[LAGC]

Are you kidding? It wouldn't surprise me at all if this senate proclaimed the existence of angels and tried to pass a multibillion dollar bill to fund them as necessary to national security.

There aren't that many social conservatives left in the Senate right now. The Tea Party got bitch-slapped during the primaries last year by the Establishment, so I don't see any Michele Bachmann style antics as being very likely this term. Other than Ted Cruz mouthing off, I have little doubt Mitch McConnell can round up enough votes for whatever the Establishment wants if push comes to shove.

Should be an interesting session, that's for sure.

[NAPOTS]

Well guys, there i was not believing in man made global climate change but LAGC has color charts so consider me a convert. It must be true.

[alismith]

Nah, we'll leave that sentimental shit for the pope to feed to his faithful flock.

That whole "if ya can't dazzle them with brilliance (science), baffle them with B.S. (religion)" strategy ;)

In the meantime, the adults in the room will try to figure out ways to make meaningful cuts in global emissions without making people have to think about it all the time.

The coal industry is going to need to be targeted. Big time.

I know. I know. How about mass genocide all across the globe? That would work...fewer people, less emissions...Globull Warming would become a non-issue as people would be more concerned about whether they would live to see another day. :thumbsup:

Of course, this would cut down on the Dimocrat's voting base, but they've found a way to let those residing in cemetaries still vote, so no problem.

LAGC, I nominate you for Bishop of Globull Warming. Who knows, in another year you might make Cardinal. (Then, the money will start coming your way, and you can, further, baptize all the new converts and see to it they take regular Communion and confess their Carbon sins.)

[5.56NATO]

http://www.politifake.org/image/political/0912/not-only-a-member-al-gore-and-the-church-of-climatology-political-poster-1261583223.jpg

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[1 Patriot-of-many]

:roflwithfeetcv2:

Too late, Breitbart! Keep trying to carry the Heritage Foundation's Koch-funded propaganda water, but you're not fooling that many people any more:

http://media.hotair.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/yg.jpeg

People are waking up and coming around, and fast.

Pope Francis concurs. More and more even conservative Catholics concur -- many more once he delivers his encyclical here in a few months.

Mitt Romney concurs. Chris Christie concurs. Rand Paul concurs.

The entire GOP Establishment concurs, as will the next president of the United States.

Opposition is rapidly dwindling and the anti-science crowd are finding themselves increasingly marginalized on the national stage.

Scientists and governments around the world are united in agreement and ready for action. All they are waiting for is the United States to finally come around and lead, like we used to when it came to matters of science.

China will need to be poked and prodded a bit, but they will come around once they see us get serious ourselves.

We are on the cusp of history, folks. A global movement unlike no other.

People the world over putting their differences aside, uniting with one voice to take action to stop humanity from committing collective seppuku.

We may just prove ourselves to not be such dumb, short-sighted primates worthy of gracing this planet for many more centuries after all. ;) Sounds like LAGC is on the pulpit in the global warming religion church....Except when he passes out the tray for donations, there will be armed gov't agents in the aisles pointing guns at you.....

[skorpion]

Meanwhile, the East coast is bracing for 3 feet of snow. Darn that pesky globull "warming"!
http://www.foxnews.com/weather/2015/01/26/northeast-braces-for-another-major-snowstorm/

[weevil]

Sounds like LAGC is on the pulpit in the global warming religion church....Except when he passes out the tray for donations, there will be armed gov't agents in the aisles pointing guns at you.....


And I'll have Scotch tape wrapped around my fingers.

:biggrina:

[LAGC]

Meanwhile, the East coast is bracing for 3 feet of snow. Darn that pesky globull "warming"!
http://www.foxnews.com/weather/2015/01/26/northeast-braces-for-another-major-snowstorm/

Sudden Stratospheric Warming Event Bringing Frigid Cold to U.S

http://www.climatecentral.org/news/stratospheric-phenomenon-is-bringing-frigid-cold-to-us-15479

Warmer atmosphere, more snowfall.

You don't even need to be a meteorologist to understand that. :)

Get used to it, because its about to get a lot worse.

[Goodman]

It's all about science, guys. And not just any science. The correct science. And the correct scientists. Hell, all those science words are so cumbersome.....we should just call the thing scienceology. or scientology. Or scatology....

[skorpion]

Sudden Stratospheric Warming Event Bringing Frigid Cold to U.S

http://www.climatecentral.org/news/stratospheric-phenomenon-is-bringing-frigid-cold-to-us-15479

Warmer atmosphere, more snowfall.

You don't even need to be a meteorologist to understand that. :)

Get used to it, because its about to get a lot worse.Well shit, man-made globull warming must have hopped onto the time-traveling DeLorean and caused the "Great Frost of 1709", too!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Frost_of_1709

[weevil]

Isn't just amazing how if it gets hot or it gets cold or it's a horrible winter or a mild winter or drought or flooding it's always, always I tell you, proof positive of Global warming caused by our carbon emissions.


Remember when Florida got thrashed by a hurricane then Katrina hit NO and all the Globull Warming nuts were howling about these storms were gonna be a regular thing and just get worse and worse?

Well it's been what 10-12 years now and I haven't seen these once in a generation storms anymore prevalent now than they ever were.

What happened to those killer hurricanes Globull warming was supposedly going to cause on a regular basis???


Oh but I quess those are like the disappearing ice caps that are still there.

[308]

If LAGC started handling snakes, his religion would be complete.

[alismith]

If LAGC started handling snakes, his religion would be complete.

Don't insult snakes. ;)

[weevil]

I'm sure he did a lot of "snake" handling in the joint.

:biggrina:

[1 Patriot-of-many]

Sudden Stratospheric Warming Event Bringing Frigid Cold to U.S

http://www.climatecentral.org/news/stratospheric-phenomenon-is-bringing-frigid-cold-to-us-15479

Warmer atmosphere, more snowfall.

You don't even need to be a meteorologist to understand that. :)

Get used to it, because its about to get a lot worse. So if we have less snow it's global warming and if we have more snow it's global warming. Am I reading your logic correctly?

[Sherman]

For reasons I don’t think we fully understand, the changes in the circulation that happen in the stratosphere [can] descend down all the way to the Earth’s surface,” said Judah Cohen, director of seasonal forecasting at Atmospheric and Environmental Research (AER) in Massachusetts.
In other words.....they don't know.

Oh AER prepares agencies like NOAA, NASA and the Department of Defense, along with large insurance, investment and energy companies to anticipate, manage, react to and profit from weather and climate related risk. They serve their clients by providing state-of-the-art research, development and analysis delivered in reports, databases and software solutions. Their scientists – more than 85 of whom hold PhDs or other advanced degrees – are globally recognized for being at the forefront of their scientific fields. Areas of expertise span climate change, defense, hydrology, meteorology, oceanography, space, remote sensing, and atmospheric and environmental science.

AER gets a nice sum of money from the government. Trust them? No way!

[Goodman]

In other words.....they don't know.

Oh AER prepares agencies like NOAA, NASA and the Department of Defense, along with large insurance, investment and energy companies to anticipate, manage, react to and profit from weather and climate related risk. They serve their clients by providing state-of-the-art research, development and analysis delivered in reports, databases and software solutions. Their scientists – more than 85 of whom hold PhDs or other advanced degrees – are globally recognized for being at the forefront of their scientific fields. Areas of expertise span climate change, defense, hydrology, meteorology, oceanography, space, remote sensing, and atmospheric and environmental science.

AER gets a nice sum of money from the government. Trust them? No way!
Per LAGC those scientists can't be trusted anyway. There's a glaring lack of climatologists. Hell, they've even got a meteorologist and everyone knows meteors don't affect the weather

[skorpion]

http://global3.memecdn.com/global-warming_o_1005675.jpg

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-o68eHhHd8l8/T4MDunLd_sI/AAAAAAAAWUQ/q9vkpqGVpRo/s1600/al-gore-global-warming-hoax1.jpg

http://memecrunch.com/meme/16X0I/global-warming/image.png

http://funny-pictures-blog.com/wp-content/uploads/funny-pictures-meme-gif/2014/06/Global-Warming.jpg

[weevil]

http://memecrunch.com/meme/16X0I/global-warming/image.png



That about says it all right there.

Anything and everything is a sign of doom to the GW cultists.



Repent sinners the end is near!!!

That little cloud is just an omen of things to come!!!

[Richard Simmons]

:roflwithfeetcv2:

Too late, Breitbart! Keep trying to carry the Heritage Foundation's Koch-funded propaganda water, but you're not fooling that many people any more:

http://media.hotair.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/yg.jpeg

People are waking up and coming around, and fast.

Pope Francis concurs. More and more even conservative Catholics concur -- many more once he delivers his encyclical here in a few months.

Mitt Romney concurs. Chris Christie concurs. Rand Paul concurs.

The entire GOP Establishment concurs, as will the next president of the United States.

Opposition is rapidly dwindling and the anti-science crowd are finding themselves increasingly marginalized on the national stage.

Scientists and governments around the world are united in agreement and ready for action. All they are waiting for is the United States to finally come around and lead, like we used to when it came to matters of science.

China will need to be poked and prodded a bit, but they will come around once they see us get serious ourselves.

We are on the cusp of history, folks. A global movement unlike no other.

People the world over putting their differences aside, uniting with one voice to take action to stop humanity from committing collective seppuku.

We may just prove ourselves to not be such dumb, short-sighted primates worthy of gracing this planet for many more centuries after all. ;)

So you're saying that it has to be true because more people are believing it to be true? If that's the case then since more people believe in one God or another then don't believe then atheist have to be wrong.

[weevil]

So you're saying that it has to be true because more people are believing it to be true? If that's the case then since more people believe in one God or another then don't believe then atheist have to be wrong.



I'm sure Pope Francis would concur.

:biggrina: