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American Rage
10-12-2010, 11:42 PM
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.printable&pageId=214589

Tuesday, October 12, 2010



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WEAPONS OF CHOICE
WorldNetDaily Exclusive
Obama agency busts plan
to sell rifles to Americans
Feds call popular gun a 'threat,'
proposed shipments canceled

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Posted: October 12, 2010
8:18 pm Eastern



By Bob Unruh



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WorldNetDaily


The Obama-run Washington bureaucracy has classified a common and reliable rifle, the M1 Garand, as a "threat to public safety in the U.S.," and the State Department has canceled plans by the Republic of Korea to return tens of thousands of surplus rifles to the U.S. for sale in the consumer market.

The stunning classification of an ordinary gun that was used in the U.S. military for two decades and issued to thousands of soldiers and Marines during World War II and Korea as a threat came in a document by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms.

It is being publicized by Examiner gun rights writer David Codrea, who said the federal agency appeared alarmed that there would be "no more controls [over imported Garands] than any other firearm."

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"If I read this right, what they're saying is, every gun poses a threat to public safety in the U.S.," he wrote. "This is the same rationale used in model-specific 'assault weapons' bans – the type of gun is somehow deemed relevant, even though untold numbers of such firearms are already peaceably owned in this country, and even though no supporting evidence for this conclusion exists beyond agenda-promoting speculation."

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A source who sought confidentiality because of his current status in the industry told WND that the document posted by Codrea is at least an accurate draft, if not the final version, of the document assembled by the ATF.

According to the document itself, it came about because of this scenario: The State Department in May 2009 approved a "request by the Government of the Republic of Korea (ROK) to transfer 87,310 M1 Garand rifles and 770,160 M1 carbine rifles to U.S. private entities for subsequent commercial resale in the United States."

But the ATF contacted the State Department and argued the stock of rifles "poses a threat to public safety in the U.S." As a result, the State Department reversed its decision.

The transfer of such weapons would raise the number of guns available and, therefore, lower the price, making them more generally available, the agency found.

Tracking ability sought

"They may be legitimately sold, trafficked or otherwise transferred. The only controls are the ones in the [Gun Control Act of 1968] and, while these controls require federal firearms licensees to keep certain records and place some restrictions on their firearms sales, such as requiring a background check and limiting interstate shipments to licensees, very few records are required to be provided to ATF and ATF is specifically prohibited from maintaining any form of a firearm registry," the argument said.

The ATF also expressed concern that anyone who can purchase seven separate parts for the gun and install them correctly – or those individuals who can machine their own steel parts for guns – probably could convert the carbine into a machine gun.

The Garand, once praised by Gen. George S. Patton, arrived as a service rifle in the military in 1936 and was issued routinely until 1957, when it was replaced.

The gun expert who acted as a source for WND said the implications of the case are significant for several reasons. One is that a "5-year-old" could figure out that if the government classifies one type of rifle as a "threat," there could be similar designations for other kinds of firearms.

Further, he said a team of ATF managers actually took the initiative in writing the agency's condemnation of the Garand. He noted the agency from 2003-2009 traced an estimated 1.8 million guns for various reasons.

But of those, only some 1,900 were Garands.

"It's a very select core of old-school ATF narcissists who have just become too powerful and too arrogant," the source reported.

'No comment'

Officials with the ATF declined to comment to WND, but a spokesman for the U.S. Department of State explained that the permission had been granted for the rifles to be shipped to the U.S., then it was rescinded.

The decision, explained Karl Duckworth, was prompted because of "concerns that such large numbers" of weapons would be brought into the U.S. and they could be "exploited for illicit purposes."

However, he said he could not elaborate on just exactly who expressed the concerns.

Codrea told WND the classification was a "beachhead" for gun control. The WND source said it was just a symptom of the larger problems at the BATFE, citing a CleanupATF website that describes the work of "returning integrity, accountability and decency to the management of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosive."

The site explains that there have been some 400 employee complaints in the agency in just the last two years.

According to Codrea, "This is the grave threat to the republic? This is nothing less than legislation by unaccountable bureaucrats with an agenda that has nothing to do with legitimate delegated authority."

Former congressman warned of gun control

Former Colorado Congressman Tom Tancredo, now running for governor in his state, wrote some months ago about guns becoming endangered under Obama.

"A U.N. resolution adopted in October calls upon member nations to negotiate the matter and finish writing a [gun control] treaty by 2012. The United States voted for the resolution, which was adopted almost unanimously," he said in a commentary. "President Bush, for all his mistakes and miscalculations, never allowed his U.N. representatives to participate in such negotiations. But Obama and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton reversed course and agreed to join the negotiations."

He said it is such treaties that offer serious threats to the U.S.

"What conventional arms treaties do is constrain the actions of law-abiding nations and law-abiding citizens while allowing outlaw nations and leftist guerrilla groups to build their arsenals," he said. "If you think such international treaties apply only to sales and exchanges among nations and not to individuals, you have not been paying attention to the Obama administration's agenda and to what activist judges have been doing in American courts."

States already rebelling

States already have begun rebelling against federal rules for guns, with eight formally adopting laws that exempt guns made, sold and kept within the states from federal regulations.

A court case over that law now is headed to the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals.

The description of guns as a "threat" recalls the themes in a U.S. Department of Homeland Security report in 2009 that characterized "right-wing extremists" as opponents of abortion and illegal immigration and supporters of gun rights and third-party political candidates.

WND reported on a Department of Homeland Security report that warned against the possibility of violence by unnamed "right-wing extremists" concerned about illegal immigration, increasing federal power, restrictions on firearms, abortion and the loss of U.S. sovereignty and singled out returning war veterans as particular threats.

The report, "Right-wing Extremism: Current Economic and Political Climate Fueling Resurgence in Radicalization and Recruitment," dated April 7, stated "threats from white supremacist and violent anti-government groups during 2009 have been largely rhetorical and have not indicated plans to carry out violent acts."

However, the document, first reported by talk-radio host and WND columnist Roger Hedgecock, went on to suggest worsening economic woes, potential new legislative restrictions on firearms and "the return of military veterans facing significant challenges reintegrating into their communities could lead to the potential emergence of terrorist groups or lone wolf extremists capable of carrying out violent attacks."

The report from DHS' Office of Intelligence and Analysis defined right-wing extremism in the U.S. as "divided into those groups, movements and adherents that are primarily hate-oriented (based on hatred of particular religious, racial or ethnic groups) and those that are mainly anti-government, rejecting federal authority in favor of state or local authority, or rejecting government authority entirely. It may include groups and individuals that are dedicated to a single issue, such as opposition to abortion or immigration."

Most notable was the report's focus on the impact of returning war veterans.

"Returning veterans possess combat skills and experience that are attractive to right-wing extremists," it said. "DHS/I&A is concerned that right-wing extremists will attempt to recruit and radicalize veterans in order to boost their violent capacities."

Gunreference1
10-13-2010, 01:22 AM
American Rage, this subject is being discussed at the thread below.

http://www.gunsnet.net/showthread.php?1308-US-opposes-Seoul’s-bid-to-sell-old-rifles

Steve

tank_monkey
10-13-2010, 11:47 AM
American Rage, this subject is being discussed at the thread below.

http://www.gunsnet.net/showthread.php?1308-US-opposes-Seoul’s-bid-to-sell-old-rifles

Steve

Also CLINTON did the same thing. It's kinda like a replay of 1993 all over again :(

El Jefe
10-13-2010, 12:46 PM
Clinton, and now Obama, both Democrats. Yeah, there is absolutely no difference between the two parties.

:think:

tank_monkey
10-13-2010, 07:16 PM
Clinton, and now Obama, both Democrats. Yeah, there is absolutely no difference between the two parties.

:think:

Shhhhh! Don't tell the Tin hatters that...... They'll get mad..... :laughingtohard:

Yeah, I'm behind enemy lines in California, but the reason why I'm a loyal Republican is that state Republicans, TO THE MAN/WOMAN have voted against every gun control measure in the state assembly. Sure they lose because we're outnumbered by Democrats, but to have a 100% pro gun voting record. That's the party for me. And yes, National Republicans have issues (and we have a RINO gov and may have another one), but to compare the two parties as being completely equal is just fucking retarded. :D

Arnulf
10-13-2010, 07:34 PM
Clinton, and now Obama, both Democrats. Yeah, there is absolutely no difference between the two parties.

:think:

GWB was prez for 8yrs.....he did not repeal any gun laws...the only thing he said was that if the assault weapons ban reached his desk...he would sign it.......meanwhile Jorge bush was the best friend of the wetbacks and did nothing to stop the wetback invasion.

American Rage
10-13-2010, 09:25 PM
Clinton, and now Obama, both Democrats. Yeah, there is absolutely no difference between the two parties.

:think:

Shhhhhh, don't think now, but it seems Kerry and a Carter both fucked American as well. Hell, if one didn't know any better, they'd think the whold dem party was full of traitors. But, luckily we all know that couldn't be true.


Rage

Arnulf
10-13-2010, 09:27 PM
Shhhhhh, don't think now, but it seems Kerry and a Carter both fucked American as well. Hell, if one didn't know any better, they'd think the whold dem party was full of traitors. But, luckily we all know that couldn't be true.


Rage

Dems and Repubs are equally traitors....until you realize that....your still being fooled.

LAGC
10-13-2010, 09:27 PM
GWB was prez for 8yrs.....he did not repeal any gun laws...the only thing he said was that if the assault weapons ban reached his desk...he would sign it.......meanwhile Jorge bush was the best friend of the wetbacks and did nothing to stop the wetback invasion.

Sshh... Bush was the best president of our lifetime! He single-handedly presided over this nation's greatest era of prosperity and expanded freedoms for everyone! (Where's that sarcasm smiley when you need it?)

American Rage
10-13-2010, 09:43 PM
yeah, i have 200+ hrs of history, law, & poly sci in my background just b/c i'm politically naive


rage

American Rage
10-13-2010, 09:44 PM
must i kick your cocksuckin' commie ass again?


rage

blacksheep
10-14-2010, 03:11 PM
Sshh... Bush was the best president of our lifetime! He single-handedly presided over this nation's greatest era of prosperity and expanded freedoms for everyone! (Where's that sarcasm smiley when you need it?)

If it was up your ass you would know.:flip-bird:

HDR
10-14-2010, 05:13 PM
Sshh... Bush was the best president of our lifetime! He single-handedly presided over this nation's greatest era of prosperity and expanded freedoms for everyone! (Where's that sarcasm smiley when you need it?)

Well, the bottom line no president has been as poor as 0bama; so yes 0bama makes Bush look great.

When Bush was president the US met EU's requirements to join; today our debt to GDP ratio means we do not qualify. Think of that...

What is our national debt?

What was our GDP as compared to now?

Wanna talk about unempolyment?

There were jobs under Bush..

There wasn't over 20 million people who used up their unemployment.

There wasn't 433,000 collecting unemployment.

I can keep on adding to the list and all you will have to answer is more trash talk to do anything possible to avoid the issues..

Actually 0bama makes Carter look good and that's why Jimmy is his greatest fan.

So yes, things where one hell of a lot better when Bush was president than they are now and I disliked Bush.

Point is, 0bama's is a failed presidency.

O.S.O.K.
10-14-2010, 05:21 PM
They're probably hoping that we go ape shit over this so as to score some much needed points with their base...

In reality, its just an annoyance. Accomplishes nothing but denying the importers and wholesalers an opportunity to make some money and us from getting some cool historical guns.

Richard Simmons
10-26-2010, 10:12 AM
Can't find the article at the moment but yesterday a coworker read something where the ATFE is now stating they are against the importation because.................are you ready for this...................."someone could buy seven parts and convert the carbines to a machinegun".

Yep, they actually stated that the M1 carbine COULD be converted to FA by puchasing/machining seven parts and installing them in one of these carbines therefor they are too dangerous to let in. I presume the same thing could have been done to any of the millions of M1 carbines already owned by Americans?

This is a disturbing precedent if true as any firearm could be converted to FA with enough time, effort, parts, etc. If that's enough to halt importation can manufacture and possession be far behind?

matshock
10-26-2010, 10:26 AM
Can't find the article at the moment but yesterday a coworker read something where the ATFE is now stating they are against the importation because.................are you ready for this...................."someone could buy seven parts and convert the carbines to a machinegun".

Yep, they actually stated that the M1 carbine COULD be converted to FA by puchasing/machining seven parts and installing them in one of these carbines therefor they are too dangerous to let in. I presume the same thing could have been done to any of the millions of M1 carbines already owned by Americans?

This is a disturbing precedent if true as any firearm could be converted to FA with enough time, effort, parts, etc. If that's enough to halt importation can manufacture and possession be far behind?

Sounds like a good time to cut the BATFE's budget. I'm thinking down to BE.

Richard Simmons
10-26-2010, 10:40 AM
Look here. Bottom of page two


http://www.scribd.com/full/39176770?access_key=key-k0k126h4dxkbhjq0z4r

matshock
10-26-2010, 11:46 AM
Look here. Bottom of page two


http://www.scribd.com/full/39176770?access_key=key-k0k126h4dxkbhjq0z4r

Yep, they really earn that "least educated, least trained federal agency" reputation.

sevlex
10-26-2010, 12:45 PM
Burn
All
Toddlers
First

roaddog
10-27-2010, 12:25 PM
Sshh... Bush was the best president of our lifetime! He single-handedly presided over this nation's greatest era of prosperity and expanded freedoms for everyone! (Where's that sarcasm smiley when you need it?)

I think the Democraps were in charge of everything at the capitol in D.C. for the last three years of Bush's tenure. So check facts before you spew LAGC. That said, Bush even disappointed me on some things like immigration and our border protection.

matshock
10-27-2010, 12:28 PM
I think the Democraps were in charge of everything at the capitol in D.C. for the last three years of Bush's tenure. So check facts before you spew LAGC. That said, Bush even disappointed me on some things like immigration and our border protection.

You know, had he not signed the TARP bill I would have given him an overall thumbs up.

sksAL
10-27-2010, 12:45 PM
i thot those guns got the green lite? i put off buying an m-1 i had my eye on,for my dad, b/c hussaian was said to reluctantly let them in. i want one or two.