Out of curiosity.....

[NewbieAKguy]

if the SHTF, complete economic/societal/etc. breakdown, would you help out or let a gunsnetter stay at your place either temporarily or permanently? Of course said person(s) and their family would have to pull their own weight and contribute. Read a book recently (in a thread) with similar circumstances and I was just wondering. :think:

Say there's nothing left for a member or his/her fam in home state and need a "free", as in freedom, place to relocate would you offer under above conditions? I would totally understand a no answer cuz your own family comes first, as it should and supplies are finite.

[btcave]

I could consider to possibility under certain situations. Situation always dictates. My knee jerk response would be negative.

[swampdragon]

if the SHTF, complete economic/societal/etc. breakdown, would you help out or let a gunsnetter stay at your place either temporarily or permanently? Of course said person(s) and their family would have to pull their own weight and contribute. Read a book recently (in a thread) with similar circumstances and I was just wondering. :think:

Say there's nothing left for a member or his/her fam in home state and need a "free", as in freedom, place to relocate would you offer under above conditions? I would totally understand a no answer cuz your own family comes first, as it should and supplies are finite.

I'd let anybody on this board stay for a while....except you.

[arcangel]

Yes I would, but id need a moderator there to confirm that said gunsneter is who they claim to be and bring lots of guns for the post apocolyptic gun porn threads we would start. Also I need to confirm said gunsneter's join date. After that Ya'll can come right on in. Situation may vary?

[NewbieAKguy]

I'd let anybody on this board stay for a while....except you.

Awwwww:( But I don't have any airsoft guns or anything! Lmao.

[Broondog]

anybody but LAGC or Maser.


even Crapshoot would be welcome....for a bit. :biggrina:

[swampdragon]

Awwwww:( But I don't have any airsoft guns or anything! Lmao.lol....

[Bluntforce]

Yes, here in the Plains there is a lot of space to defend and not many bodies to do it with.

[Hochmeister]

Well, I think that it's important for us to lookout for eachother personally. I know that my top priority will be to make sure my family is in a secure place, but I am not so selfish that I would barricade myself from people and not offer support. There is a lot of wacko ass people in this world, it isn't easy to trust, but sometimes you've just got to do what you think is right or you'll never know who to trust at all. That's what ultimately will make the difference between a marauder, and a decent american survivalist. I must say though, it's going to piss me off when someone comes looking for help because they failed to properly prepare as a result of foolish thinking. Too many people assume that a super hero is going to save the day when a crisis happens but guess what? nobody cares. I am willing to bet that when shit goes down, (Assuming it does) half of the United States will go into utter chaos and there will be millions upon millions of whiney bastards runnin' for the hills rubbing their palms raw trying to start a fire injun style. Most of society right now is more concerned with eating cheeseburgers, getting plastic surgery, and buying designer clothing.

[shorthair]

Only a Brewmaster, maybe.:lets-drink:

[Moebrown20]

Well, I think that it's important for us to lookout for eachother personally. I know that my top priority will be to make sure my family is in a secure place, but I am not so selfish that I would barricade myself from people and not offer support. There is a lot of wacko ass people in this world, it isn't easy to trust, but sometimes you've just got to do what you think is right or you'll never know who to trust at all. That's what ultimately will make the difference between a marauder, and a decent american survivalist. I must say though, it's going to piss me off when someone comes looking for help because they failed to properly prepare as a result of foolish thinking. Too many people assume that a super hero is going to save the day when a crisis happens but guess what? nobody cares. I am willing to bet that when shit goes down, (Assuming it does) half of the United States will go into utter chaos and there will be millions upon millions of whiney bastards runnin' for the hills rubbing their palms raw trying to start a fire injun style. Most of society right now is more concerned with eating cheeseburgers, getting plastic surgery, and buying designer clothing.
Of course!
Because people like you are willing to help them out if a shtf starts.
You will never have more than enough to share.
My Neighborhood has one road in and out...... if a shtf, my neighbors should fear me more than any zombie/viral outbreak !!!

[AKTexas]

Everyone will need a friend or two when it all goes down hill.Be sure you know who it is you are bringing into your home.

[L1A1Rocker]

Absolutely. One of the reasons I like to hit this place is to network with people. That includes lending a helping hand if needed.

[swampdragon]

Everyone will need a friend or two when it all goes down hill.Be sure you know who it is you are bringing into your home.

Especially if they are full of viruses like Moe....

[Moebrown20]

Especially if they are full of viruses like Moe....

lol, I didn't know dogs carry those things.

Over the years, I've met a few Gunsnetters. The nearest to me is about 90 minutes away driving east and north.
My closest neighbors are either old, don't hunt/shoot, non-ex/military or a combination. They would leave and/or panic.

Unless we set up a GN code system, I wouldn't know who was trust worthy.

[swampdragon]

lol, I didn't know dogs carry those things.

Over the years, I've met a few Gunsnetters. The nearest to me is about 90 minutes away driving east and north.
My closest neighbors are either old, don't hunt/shoot, non-ex/military or a combination. They would leave and/or panic.

Unless we set up a GN code system, I wouldn't know who was trust worthy.

Well, if you stand in your front yard and yell...."I LOVE OBAMA,".....at least you'll recognize LAGC when he shows up.

[NewbieAKguy]

Well, if you stand in your front yard and yell...."I LOVE OBAMA,".....at least you'll recognize LAGC when he shows up.:lol:

[Schuetzenman]

Yeah, I wouldn't mind some of the Gunsnet people but not some I've seen post.

[HDR]

I know that my top priority will be to make sure my family is in a secure place, but I am not so selfish that I would barricade myself from people and not offer support.

If I offer you a pack of gum for a decent rifle; your answer would be a quick hell no asshole. lol.

So IMO, the question becomes what does this person offer to enhance your top priority?

This may sound cold; however, a shtf world would be ruthlessly cold....

If your stash has 2500 meals and there are three people in your family; at three meals a day times three people that's 277 days of food. Adding another person it becomes 208 days.

So the question is what does this fourth person put on the "table" worth a 69 day difference of feeding your family?

Industry uses a term "value added" and in a shtf world I have a feeling what "value added" offered will be applied to humans also.



My Neighborhood has one road in and out...... if a shtf, my neighbors should fear me more than any zombie/viral outbreak !!!

My neighbor also has one road in or out.. I'll say this because IMO you're the type who'd assist me in "addressing" any local zombie or viral types in the neighborhood.

Yup, as a Round Brown once said "sympathy is word in the dictionary found in between shit and syphilis." Obviously he was speaking about in war; however as your family will be with you; shtf would be worse than war.

[American Rage]

I have too much pride to ask someone for their hard earned food and shelter.

I'd much rather take my rifle to the state capitol and stick it up some liberal's ass.


Rage

[hawk1911]

I wouldnt automatically say yes to anyone, If I did then it wouldnt be a full yes come on in and have access to everything I have either. It be more like you can sleep in the Garage, shed, tent in the yard and help me gather food etc and build a trust over a time frame.

But at the same time would need help in an extended time frame senario. Short term 3mnths or less and the answer would be no.

[old Grump]

Got your own clothing, bedding, food, medicine, weapons and ammo I have room. Just know that you may have to hot bunk on the floor and if you cheat at poker I will hurt you and steal your ammo.

[deth502]

not if it were printerman.

other than that, probably yes, but as was mentioned, without knowing them before hand, how whould you know who was showing up at your door?

in a true shtf situation, i had better recognize exactly who you are from as far as i can hit you with a 308. i wouldnt plan on letting many ppl knock on my front door.

[swampdragon]

not if it were printerman.

other than that, probably yes, but as was mentioned, without knowing them before hand, how whould you know who was showing up at your door?

in a true shtf situation, i had better recognize exactly who you are from as far as i can hit you with a 308. i wouldnt plan on letting many ppl knock on my front door.

Yeah man.
Good idea!
Grab 308 by the ankles and beat people with him.

[deth502]

i figure hes been too busy to post here, might as well make him good for something.

[aliceinchains]

Yeah man.
Good idea!
Grab 308 by the ankles and beat people with him.



Man you are naughty!

[swampdragon]

Man you are naughty!

deth brought it up first......lol

[aliceinchains]

Yeah man.
Good idea!
Grab 308 by the ankles and beat people with him.


Well if your going to do that at least put one of them old german military helmets on his head. The one with the big spike on top. That will do the most damage.

[HDR]

I have too much pride to ask someone for their hard earned food and shelter.

I'd much rather take my rifle to the state capitol and stick it up some liberal's ass.


Rage

Damn Rage I thought you knew liberals better; do something they wouldn't like.

lol


in a true shtf situation, i had better recognize exactly who you are from as far as i can hit you with a 308. i wouldnt plan on letting many ppl knock on my front door.

Rule: as it is a warning never miss.

Rule: in a shtf world that would be a two way street.

That was an excellent point, those saying they'd take strangers in; as you're betting your life on it, you better be an infallible judge of character.

[old Grump]

That was an excellent point, those saying they'd take strangers in; as you're betting your life on it, you better be an infallible judge of character. Lord knows I'm no infallible judge of character, my ex can vouch for that but if somebody shows up with their own supplies and offers his manpower I'm not turning him away if I can place him. If he proves to be a snake you deal with it. Earth Quake, floods, plague, civil war, invasion, volcano, whatever hit the fan means civil court is out and you deal with things as needed when they need to be dealt with. In my case most people showing up will be family, 4 sisters and 3 brothers and all but one are shooters and the one who isn't because she is legally blind. 2 sisters being nurses doesn't hurt a bit. One nephew being a martial artist instructor doesn't hurt.

I really expect that if worst comes to worst and they are able to get here that there would be a crowd in the little hut. Most of my neighbors are hunters and we get along, Having a few thousand acres of DNR land for a back yard doesn't hurt. Being a 100 miles from the 3 nearest big cities doesn't hurt either. Going to be a real pain when medicine runs out though. Some of mine is only good for 60 days but I always keep that much in reserve.

Don't wanna if I don't gotta but if we had to we would make do and there is room in the little hut for friendlies.

[HDR]

If he proves to be a snake you deal with it.

He/she may have already dealt with you.

[jjeez]

as long as it did not conflict with my #1 priority.
#1 Taking care of my family...

[old Grump]

He/she may have already dealt with you. He/she would have to deal with my family too. I'm not the only grump in the tribe, just the best looking.

[swampdragon]

He/she would have to deal with my family too. I'm not the only grump in the tribe, just the best looking.

You must have a really UGLY family then.
But they have great personalities right?
lol....

[old Grump]

You must have a really UGLY family then.
But they have great personalities right?
lol....:coffee:You are a lot smarter than you look...........wait a minute, I meant, uh never mind.

[swampdragon]

:coffee:You are a lot smarter than you look...........wait a minute, I meant, uh never mind.

It's always better to say you're the ugliest.
It makes everybody feel good and they love you for it....lol
In your case, just lie!
:thumbsup:

[O.S.O.K.]

To the OP, I would help out a gunsneter - well, most of us... but that means giving you temporary shelter and food, etc. so that you can then get to permanent digs.

None of us I would bet have provisions for extra people for very long... and we have to take care of our own.

I've advised by boss to get an AR or similar, some mags and ammo... and his smart assed reply is "if things get that bad, I'll just come to your house".... he he he.... nope! Again, I'd help him out and even give him a gun and some ammo but then he'd have to go. But really, he'd never make it to my house.

Some people just don't get it. Think everything will be fine, etc. etc. - and these are otherwise smart people...

[NewbieAKguy]

To the OP, I would help out a gunsneter - well, most of us... but that means giving you temporary shelter and food, etc. so that you can then get to permanent digs.

None of us I would bet have provisions for extra people for very long... and we have to take care of our own.

I've advised by boss to get an AR or similar, some mags and ammo... and his smart assed reply is "if things get that bad, I'll just come to your house".... he he he.... nope! Again, I'd help him out and even give him a gun and some ammo but then he'd have to go. But really, he'd never make it to my house.

Some people just don't get it. Think everything will be fine, etc. etc. - and these are otherwise smart people...

That was pretty much the gist of my question. Nothing long term unless there's someway a person could get their own permanent home next to yours or whatever, like houses being abandoned due to previous owners bailing out to join their family or whatever elsewhere. And as mentioned earlier, the trick would be on how to recognize each other if we showed up; assuming all major communication (landlines, cell phone, internet) is out.

Personally I couldn't stand being a freeloader (or my wife) to anyone else, especially if we're of the same mindset. I've been building up my own food/water supplies, and of course I have a rifle to contribute, but I'm limited in storage space at home so I'm limited in my supplies. I just got to thinking about this scenario since my closest relative is my dad, just 5 miles north, then rest of immediate family is 3.5 hours west near the Mississippi river....uncle on east side and grandparents on west side in NE MO. Having to cross both the IL river and MS river to group up with the family (dad's side) would be a bitch!!!

[hawk1911]

I've advised by boss to get an AR or similar, some mags and ammo... and his smart assed reply is "if things get that bad, I'll just come to your house".... he he he.... nope! Again, I'd help him out and even give him a gun and some ammo but then he'd have to go. But really, he'd never make it to my house.

Some people just don't get it. Think everything will be fine, etc. etc. - and these are otherwise smart people...

My particular mindset isnt really a secret at work a hand full of us have been stocking up and arming up and practicing and devloping our collective skills. I feel like alot of people aren't going to make it, but there is one person in particular who asks about the reasons for this or that just to hear me give the in depth explaination to ridicular and make fun of me. I wish death on no one but this person who is doing nothing to help himself and on top of that making fun of me is not getting access to my restart of civilization plans. The herd needs a thinning out anyway.

[NewbieAKguy]

My particular mindset isnt really a secret at work a hand full of us have been stocking up and arming up and practicing and devloping our collective skills. I feel like alot of people aren't going to make it, but there is one person in particular who asks about the reasons for this or that just to hear me give the in depth explaination to ridicular and make fun of me. I wish death on no one but this person who is doing nothing to help himself and on top of that making fun of me is not getting access to my restart of civilization plans. The herd needs a thinning out anyway.

Heck, I'd be a smartass and when he asked me why I'm doing all that I'd just say, "One word: zombies." lol. Eff him and the horse he rode in on.

[American Rage]

My particular mindset isnt really a secret at work a hand full of us have been stocking up and arming up and practicing and devloping our collective skills. I feel like alot of people aren't going to make it, but there is one person in particular who asks about the reasons for this or that just to hear me give the in depth explaination to ridicular and make fun of me. I wish death on no one but this person who is doing nothing to help himself and on top of that making fun of me is not getting access to my restart of civilization plans. The herd needs a thinning out anyway.

I suspect many of us are to be considered part of the "herd."

Somewhere, not too long ago, I came across a scientific paper that claimed the world's population should be cut by 90%. Hmmmm, I wonder how they plan to do that? Famine and disease are the only things that could do it without leaving the planet radioactive. Heck, one U of Texas prof wants to weaponize ebola and turn it loose on the world.


RAge

[hawk1911]

I suspect many of us are to be considered part of the "herd.".....
RAge

I wouldn't doubt that I don't fit in some peoples plans. But I do plan on inserting myself.

[HDR]

My particular mindset isnt really a secret at work a hand full of us have been stocking up and arming up and practicing and devloping our collective skills. I feel like alot of people aren't going to make it, but there is one person in particular who asks about the reasons for this or that just to hear me give the in depth explaination to ridicular and make fun of me. I wish death on no one but this person who is doing nothing to help himself and on top of that making fun of me is not getting access to my restart of civilization plans. The herd needs a thinning out anyway.

Everyone has an opinion and mine is shtf will not happen; however as I've been taken off the grid by blizzards, ice storms, once for about a week because lightning hit the substation. So I have food, water, auxiliary heat to last for a couple of weeks. I have plenty of firearms and buy ammunition in bulk; because it is cheaper. lol

If I did share your beliefs; I would keep them to myself for the reasons you mentioned. If someone hasn't done without because of nature. If they haven't noticed all the blizzards, earthquakes, floods, hurricanes, ice storms or tornadoes on TV and said I ought to keep some food around the house; there is nothing I can say to them.

With a whole bunch of stuff to protect; then as ELC and I discussed it is time to dig holes, trenches and make roads impassible. It seems so many who "train and practice" focus on the "glorious" assaults and ignore learning to dig holes in the correct configurations.

Its not the herd principle; it would be closer to the pack principle; if you're not part of my pack you are an unknown.

The assumption should be the other guy or guys will have the same attitude which will be the problem. The military deals with the problem easily; they build a base camp or FSB surround it with wire and man it with infantry. Inside this ring of steel are the "house cats" or the support troops who take care of the infantry's needs. Around the base camp or FSB are more infantry looking to engage the enemy. It is so effective that it took the Tet Offensive to interrupt their laundry.

In your situation; you have a very small group who must do everything from farm, cook, harvest, run patrols etc. which will be a real stinker. Point is your shit will be packed way too loose to engage or defend as well as you are guessing you can.

[HDR]

As everyone knows I am an admin here; so I can still edit posts. As the old timers know I am also part of this community and the only time I am an admin is when the rules are broken. As an admin I can still edit posts; however until things sort out many of us can't edit posts. I figure if I want to revise or add to what I said I'll add a post same as everyone else.

Geez can I say what I want now? LOL

In another thread:

Btw, I am not saying hawk1911 is wrong; he and company busted their ass so planning on protecting their investment is a given. After all, if this "investment" tanks you and your family die.

So hawk1911 no flame or disrespect for your choice if and when the world becomes an insane asylum was intended.

[hawk1911]

So hawk1911 no flame or disrespect for your choice if and when the world becomes an insane asylum was intended.

None taken by anymeans.

I know my plan and the investment I have made so far is small potatoes. All the input I can gleen from the more senior here is very much appreciated. I know that I may be new persay to this forum and I only know about 5-6 former members from the old board from some build parties but I want and need to learn everything I can as soon as possible.

A little inside info on me that I dont mind sharing. Im currently 31 yrs old, father of young children, home owner(in about 15 years). Make just enough to not qualify for anything free. Grew up in Houston and was "asleep" until awoken by the fallout of Katrina, and sortly thereafter our own scare Rita. This was a turning point in my life. Out of fear I purchased my first gun ever. Then found some forums to find out so general info on what I bought and it has snowballed since then. I have now built several AKs ARs and stuff. Yes that is the grandios part of it but it has lead me to more realistic planning, I have learned some basic gardening, may sound like nothing but I have been practicing and learning how to start fires in every manner possible not just a bag of charcoal and some lighter fluild. I have been trying to learn how to hunt/trap and track small game. I think for someone who din't get this in their upbrining I have come along way and still want so much more.

[O.S.O.K.]

This and a few other boards are the only places that I am completely open about my preps. I certainly don't tell my boss or anyone else at work that I am stocking up on food, etc. I also do not talk about it to people in my community.

Needless to say, information about this could harm you in a bad situation.

And as far as what I personally think will happen - probably just a deep economic depresion. But that's very serious and will contain within it, pockets of shtf type behavior...

[HDR]

None taken by anymeans.

:thumbsup:


I know my plan and the investment I have made so far is small potatoes. All the input I can gleen from the more senior here is very much appreciated. I know that I may be new persay to this forum and I only know about 5-6 former members from the old board from some build parties but I want and need to learn everything I can as soon as possible.

The investment is for your family.

IMO, if this shtf ever occurs knowing defense will be more valuable than knowing offense. If and when the world would go to hell the average person who prepared won't be thinking about attacking anyone.. lol Even looters with put the preppers in a defensive posture.

Old versions of Infantry training manuals are on the web. Although the materials are dated; there hasn't been any real changes to how it is laid out and what to consider.

In the blizzard of 2000 I learned a neighbor's cookware was all glass so she did not even have a metal pot to boil water on the gas grill. Not one metal pot? lmao That was about the most unprepared I've ever experienced.


A little inside info on me that I dont mind sharing. Im currently 31 yrs old, father of young children, home owner(in about 15 years). Make just enough to not qualify for anything free. Grew up in Houston and was "asleep" until awoken by the fallout of Katrina, and sortly thereafter our own scare Rita. This was a turning point in my life. Out of fear I purchased my first gun ever. Then found some forums to find out so general info on what I bought and it has snowballed since then. I have now built several AKs ARs and stuff. Yes that is the grandios part of it but it has lead me to more realistic planning, I have learned some basic gardening, may sound like nothing but I have been practicing and learning how to start fires in every manner possible not just a bag of charcoal and some lighter fluild. I have been trying to learn how to hunt/trap and track small game. I think for someone who din't get this in their upbrining I have come along way and still want so much more.

I don't mind sharing either. I loaned the neighbor a few metal pots and gave her instant coffee and creamer; plus some cans of soup. lol. Then again, I knew it would not be long until the snow would get plowed and the power would be back on.

Hell gardening is not only fun; it tastes better. The first time most people eat potatoes they grew the usual comment is how different and better they taste.
I been involved with firearms and shooting as far back as I can remember. My father reloaded in the 1950s. My first press was a Herter's C press which I still have.

Right after I came back to the "world" I went to a family reunion. The "men folk" were talking about something in the news and what would you do.. My father asked me and my answer was "kill him." There wasn't a how or using what etc. just two words "kill him." I gathered by the looks on people's faces that the way I put it was over the top to them.

IMO, if and when there would be a shtf there would also be great acts of human kindness. However, with so many people sooner or later the words would be "move on we have nothing to share." Our little bug out stashes are finite not infinite.
As we are the product of TV we all have seen starving men, women and children; so we all know how we don't want our families to look. At the end of the day that is the reality of it.

Starting fire is easy as compared to hunting and foraging to eat.

Find yourself an ex-11B, 03 or combat arms MOS; they had it beat into their heads for months; then years of "training exercises" or war. What is in the manuals and not in the manuals is analyzing all the "it depends." In "We were Soldiers" Mel Gibson made a "what would I do if I was him" statement based on what was going down and the terrain.. Where Colonel Moore moved his assets was where the NVA attacked. That ability only comes with combat experience.