Dicky Durbine wants to outlaw your Vegtable Garden

[El Laton Caliente]

http://www.americanthinker.com/2010/11/first_healthcare_next_the_food.html


November 17, 2010
First Health Care, Next the Food SupplyBy Michael Geer

Just because the duck is lame doesn't mean it can't still do terrible damage to American freedom. Our new Congress, especially the new House, isn't yet seated, and this current Congress can still wreak terrible havoc on our rights if not stopped.


Case in point: Senate Bill 510, believed to be coming to the floor Wednesday, November 17 (pending). This is the food safety version of ObamaCare. Reading the thing will make your head hurt for all its cognitive dissonance. Trying to winnow out its complexity and hidden empowerments is stultifying.


Introduced by Dick Durbin of Illinois, the bill has moved through the usual phases of amalgamation and deal-making. The monstrosity advancing to the floor on Wednesday is not so much "food safety" as it is the decadence of the rights of small farmers, hobbyist food producers, garden-variety farmers markets, and your average small producer of foodstuffs. Under the rubric of safety, this Senate proposes a bill that establishes such new and sweeping powers over how you and I produce and consume foodstuffs that even the Pew Charitable Trusts are calling S510 a clear and present danger. National Health Freedom says,

More at link... This one sucks pond scum guys. It places the food supply under Dept of Homeland Security and gives regulatory powers to the World Health Organization / UN... Outlaws saving your own seed... regulates backyard gardens...

It is scheduled for a vote this week.

[Warhog01]

Just another example of what is WRONG with "some" people, the believe they are to "rule" and not serve.

[Integratedj]

They're going to have one hell of a time getting people like me to stop providing food for their families. Depending on the season 50-80% of my families food comes out of my garden. It's the only way I can provide good quality food without going broke.
I refuse to follow this bullshit anymore. We still live in America and damn it I'm going to live like its still the free country it was birthed as, no matter what a bunch of fucked up socialist asshats think.


It's shit like this bill that make me seriously think our current administration really is trying to start violent riots and a civil war in this country. Pass this bill, and there will be plenty of violence across the country if they try to enforce it. Fucking Government just doesn't understand the meaning of knock off the Bullshit and leave the citizens alone.

[mriddick]

I think there's some danger in overplaying this or at least directing it at the wrong audience. I believe it applies to those growing to sell their crops, in that it's not directed at your private vegetable garden but more likely designed to help corporate farming (of which IL has a lot of, who I'm sure pay big bucks into his reelection fund) over the independents.

It’s really a law to put our food supply in regulatory expense hell so that only the big corporations can play. It’s exactly how Detroit made sure the regs to start up/run a car company would be so expensive no one else could play and close down the smaller shops. Basically its big business using the gov’t to weed out any competition, they get more money, the gov’t gets more power and kickbacks. All at the expense of a few thousand family farms who can sell out cheap to ADM.

[El Laton Caliente]

Stalin staved 30 million by doing almost this same thing. Remember Bill Ayres saying they would have to get rid of 25 million or so of us?

[El Laton Caliente]

I think there's some danger in overplaying this or at least directing it at the wrong audience. I believe it applies to those growing to sell their crops, in that it's not directed at your private vegetable garden but more likely designed to help corporate farming (of which IL has a lot of, who I'm sure pay big bucks into his reelection fund) over the independents.

It’s really a law to put our food supply in regulatory expense hell so that only the big corporations can play. It’s exactly how Detroit made sure the regs to start up/run a car company would be so expensive no one else could play and close down the smaller shops. Basically its big business using the gov’t to weed out any competition, they get more money, the gov’t gets more power and kickbacks. All at the expense of a few thousand family farms who can sell out cheap to ADM.

Read it agan Mike... It outlaws the saving and using of seeds (production, not sale) and home canning and giving a ripe tomato to your neighbor.

All the organic folks are up in arms because it puts them out of business.

[Integratedj]

I think there's some danger in overplaying this or at least directing it at the wrong audience. I believe it applies to those growing to sell their crops, in that it's not directed at your private vegetable garden but more likely designed to help corporate farming (of which IL has a lot of, who I'm sure pay big bucks into his reelection fund) over the independents.

It’s really a law to put our food supply in regulatory expense hell so that only the big corporations can play. It’s exactly how Detroit made sure the regs to start up/run a car company would be so expensive no one else could play and close down the smaller shops. Basically its big business using the gov’t to weed out any competition, they get more money, the gov’t gets more power and kickbacks. All at the expense of a few thousand family farms who can sell out cheap to ADM.


You need to read it. It specifically outlaws any one from saving heirloom seeds. Look it up if you don't understand the difference between heirloom seeds and what you buy in the store that are either GMO or Hybrid.
It goes after small people like me who are not selling their Veggies, but work in a Co-op with other local growers to share what we grow. We all specialize in a few different things, and then get together throughout the seasons to exchange what we need. This bill outlaws that. The fed can suck my crank if they think they can stop me from providing for my family, and the families of those we share with.

It amazes me just how easily you seem to go a long with a lot of the Feds bullshit. Makes me think of one little white wooly animal to compare you to...

[Integratedj]

Read it agan Mike... It outlaws the saving and using of seeds (production, not sale) and home canning and giving a ripe tomato to your neighbor.

All the organic folks are up in arms because it puts them out of business.

Not only out of business, but it starves us. I'm in the business of feeding my own, not making money, but this bill outlaws even that. Fuck them. Because of this not only my family, but all of the families that we co-op with are now out of a great food source that saves us money and is more importantly more nutritional than the crap you buy in the stores.
My wife and I can probably 100lbs of maters every year from our garden, along with a bunch of other veggies and use that to live off of the rest of the year. Am I going to stop and let us starve because uncle scam thinks they know better? Not likely anytime soon.

[mriddick]

IMO The law is designed to shut down the large independents, I'm sure it will take out other targets as well. Where anyone would get I'm going along with anything is silly, stupid or misleading. Just because I think the real target is somewhat different doesn't mean I'm any less against it, in fact probably moreso.

[pineapplejack]

All I can say is...come on, Dickless Durbin, bring it on!...

[samiam]

For years Monsanto has been suing people that saved their seed

[gunhack]

Stalin staved 30 million by doing almost this same thing. Remember Bill Ayres saying they would have to get rid of 25 million or so of us?

yeah.. "they" wanted to do basicly the same thing with livestock a year or so ago.. but i think "they" got too much push back.. dont think it ever got implemented..

[mrkalashnikov]

Dick Turbin is, & has always been, a tool of the Democrat Machine of Chicago.

[AK_Apostle]

IMO The law is designed to shut down the large independents, I'm sure it will take out other targets as well. Where anyone would get I'm going along with anything is silly, stupid or misleading. Just because I think the real target is somewhat different doesn't mean I'm any less against it, in fact probably moreso.


I believe there is merit in mrddicks comment, big money hates competition and anyone that would dare interfere with their long term strategy..

To many see things in terms of Democrat vs Republican and liberal vs conservative when our real leaders are wealthy unelected elitist from industry who use their vast resources to have their think tank people/traitors interpret the constitution and pay lobbyist to make sure their interpretation gets passed in congress..

Check this quote from the article. "What are Republican thinking? Seven out of twelve co-sponsors are Republicans."

[Sherman]

I would hate to be a restaurant owner if this bill is passed. This is definitely a control bill.
Here is the link to the bill.
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=s111-510

[imanaknut]

So if this makes me a felon for growing tomatoes and sharing some, then I might as well go ahead and build a machine gun after giving my neighbor a tomato. Once a felon always a felon, so might as well go out big!!

Seriously, some quick letters need to be written before this government gets so out of control that the vote we just took was not enough to stop this crap.

[mriddick]

I believe there is merit in mrddicks comment, big money hates competition and anyone that would dare interfere with their long term strategy..

To many see things in terms of Democrat vs Republican and liberal vs conservative when our real leaders are wealthy unelected elitist from industry who use their vast resources to have their think tank people/traitors interpret the constitution and pay lobbyist to make sure their interpretation gets passed in congress..

Check this quote from the article. "What are Republican thinking? Seven out of twelve co-sponsors are Republicans."

I didn't mean to come across as unconcerned about the private garden, it's just in talking to some ind farmers they are telling this bill's intent fromtheir view point is to put all food production in the hands of a few large mega corporations that in turn would be more easily controlled. It's much easier to get conagra and ADM to agree to a set of specs then 10,000 local farmers. What I worry about is when the exemption of less then 10 acres (or some number) is put forth you'll see those who now are claiming this is the line in the sand for them will say well then it's OK, never understanding the real intent of the law. It is this real intent I think we should be thnking about as well as whether we get to can our private "maters" next year...

[El Laton Caliente]

Mike, what you are saying is true, but as written the bill is much worse. You could not grow your own garden, save seeds, can or any number of things most of rual America does without becoming a felon.

[mriddick]

Have you independently researched this bill? I am doubtful since you have a major mistake in the title (hint it’s written by Dingle not Durbin (durbine?)). It does only apply food grown for others and mentions nothing of food grown for your own consumption. I fear this is going to be another 200 billion dollar obama trip, it’s going to sound unbelievably bad at 1st, a lot of conservatives are going to go off halfcocked with the wrong info then when proven wrong are going to back off while the real issue is still never addressed. Again I think conservatives are being played.

This bill is bad but not so much because someone can’t grow a “mater” for his own family, but because it a huge power grab and removes the independent farmer from the food chain.

[samiam]

http://files.myopera.com/coxy/albums/527288/felon.jpg

I swear officer . . they were PRE-BAN seeds

[El Laton Caliente]

Have you independently researched this bill? I am doubtful since you have a major mistake in the title (hint it’s written by Dingle not Durbin (durbine?)). It does only apply food grown for others and mentions nothing of food grown for your own consumption. I fear this is going to be another 200 billion dollar obama trip, it’s going to sound unbelievably bad at 1st, a lot of conservatives are going to go off halfcocked with the wrong info then when proven wrong are going to back off while the real issue is still never addressed. Again I think conservatives are being played.

This bill is bad but not so much because someone can’t grow a “mater” for his own family, but because it a huge power grab and removes the independent farmer from the food chain.

The Senate version was introduced by Dick Durbin (the e was a typo, I've refered to him as turbine durbin for a while...)


Case in point: Senate Bill 510, believed to be coming to the floor Wednesday, November 17 (pending). This is the food safety version of ObamaCare. Reading the thing will make your head hurt for all its cognitive dissonance. Trying to winnow out its complexity and hidden empowerments is stultifying.


Introduced by Dick Durbin of Illinois, the bill has moved through the usual phases of amalgamation and deal-making. The monstrosity advancing to the floor on Wednesday is not so much "food safety" as it is the decadence of the rights of small farmers, hobbyist food producers, garden-variety farmers markets, and your average small producer of foodstuffs. Under the rubric of safety, this Senate proposes a bill that establishes such new and sweeping powers over how you and I produce and consume foodstuffs that even the Pew Charitable Trusts are calling S510 a clear and present danger. National Health Freedom says,

It is a dangerously broad regulatory bill giving extensive discretionary power to the FDA over the entire food supply chain without proper checks and balances to avoid abuse of power;


It would impose one-size-fits-all-regulations on thousands of small and mid-sized farmers, small-scale local farms and food producers, and would drastically burden, to extinction, basic natural and organic food suppliers, thus endangering the lives of Americans who depend on local wholesome foods;


It does not reflect a well-thought-out solution, or address the real causes of food safety issues stemming from the industrialized food supply chain; and


It attempts to limit the authority of our own domestic U.S. laws when it includes language ensuring that our US law will not disturb other international agreements that we have made. It states: "Nothing in this Act shall be construed in a manner inconsistent with the agreement establishing the World Trade Organization or any other treaty or international agreement to which the U.S. is a party."

The summary is here: http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=s111-510&tab=summary

[swampdragon]

Anybody stupid enough to come to my ranch and give me a hard time because I have a fuckin' garden...will end up buried in it.
Seriously.
These fuckers have lost their damn minds.

[blacksheep]

Did you ever hear this faggot ( Dick Turban ) speak with that knob polishing lisp ?:yuch:

[JVD]

Anybody stupid enough to come to my ranch and give me a hard time because I have a fuckin' garden...will end up buried in it.
Seriously.
These fuckers have lost their damn minds.

I say 'Thanks for the free fertilizer!'

[Penguin]

This sounds like a bill that was proposed about a year and a half ago that fortantaly didn't get any where. If this one passes we a fucked.

[American Rage]

Liberals are Insane!!


Rage

[El Laton Caliente]

Liberals are Insane!!


Rage

Not really, this is part of the playbook. Make the population dependent on .gov for food.

[Guns Network Staff]

Why do we allow people like this to breathe air. Come on WTF is this idiots problem in life? Maybe he can do this shit in hell where he and obamadingdong both belong.

What is with this BLACK CAUSUS, fucking racist basturds same with the Hispanic caucus, WTF? We need to clean up the racist folks and kick them out. Hell while we are on the roll, get rid of NAACP, LULAC and bring this country back to normal. Throw out every fucking black panther, KKK klansman, Mexian whatever racist profile.

I am sorry but there comes a time when we need to reboot our country.

There is no room any longer for thse idiots and the idiots who voted for them.


There comes a time when the right women or men needs to step up and start rewriting all the wrong in this country.

[swampdragon]

Why do we allow people like this to breathe air. Come on WTF is this idiots problem in life? Maybe he can do this shit in hell where he and obamadingdong both belong.

What is with this BLACK CAUSUS, fucking racist basturds same with the Hispanic caucus, WTF? We need to clean up the racist folks and kick them out. Hell while we are on the roll, get rid of NAACP, LULAC and bring this country back to normal. Throw out every fucking black panther, KKK klansman, Mexian whatever racist profile.

I am sorry but there comes a time when we need to reboot our country.

There is no room any longer for thse idiots and the idiots who voted for them.


There comes a time when the right women or men needs to step up and start rewriting all the wrong in this country.


I'm still waiting on my United White Boy College Fund.

[1 Patriot-of-many]

I didn't mean to come across as unconcerned about the private garden, it's just in talking to some ind farmers they are telling this bill's intent fromtheir view point is to put all food production in the hands of a few large mega corporations that in turn would be more easily controlled. It's much easier to get conagra and ADM to agree to a set of specs then 10,000 local farmers. What I worry about is when the exemption of less then 10 acres (or some number) is put forth you'll see those who now are claiming this is the line in the sand for them will say well then it's OK, never understanding the real intent of the law. It is this real intent I think we should be thnking about as well as whether we get to can our private "maters" next year...

What friggin difference does it make? If they outlaw real seeds, we ALL are under control.

[mriddick]

What friggin difference does it make? If they outlaw real seeds, we ALL are under control.

Read the bill (and not someone elsed reading of it that tells you that) and tell me where it bans seeds.

[sksAL]

i dont garden much lately, but have in the past, free food is all it is. millions in the USA sustain on homegrown food, and sooner or later a stupid move like this will bring reaction. a bad reaction. i doubt it will become law, just way too constrictive. victory garden ring a bell?

[L1A1Rocker]

Haven't the Amish and Mennonite's been having problems with the Feds taking their co-ops already?

[El Laton Caliente]

Read the bill (and not someone elsed reading of it that tells you that) and tell me where it bans seeds.

It maybe in the House version, but I've read multiple pieces over at Freerepublic.com that state it specifically bans retention of Heirloom seeds...