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romakdaddy
11-29-2010, 10:46 PM
if i can sell my 308 PSL for enough then ill replace it with a 308 AR.im leaning heavy towards a DPMS cause ive read good things about them.I want to stay under $1200 cause thats what im hoping to get fot the PSL(lots of custom stuff)
heres what im looking at but if theres something im missing chime in.
only bad thing i heard about these is the weight and no compensator.
http://www.russelltacticalarms.com/DPMS-PANTHER-LR-308-308WIN-24-FLUTD_p_17803.html
then theres this:
http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/61644-55.html

arcangel
11-30-2010, 12:48 AM
Out of the 2 linked, I like the Panther classic better than the stainless. I have the LR308 AP4 carbine A3 and replaced the front sight/block with a low profile gas block, and a Troy 13.8 Tan battle rail. Magpul stock, Mk4 LR/T Leupold and its a great shooter, but heavy. My rifle was very tight out of the box, after about 300rds it loosened up. Also take a look at the Enidine 308 buffer, magic. Takes a buch of recoil off, since I have the carbine version. But follow up shots are nicer too. Good luck in your choice man.

romakdaddy
11-30-2010, 02:01 PM
Out of the 2 linked, I like the Panther classic better than the stainless. I have the LR308 AP4 carbine A3 and replaced the front sight/block with a low profile gas block, and a Troy 13.8 Tan battle rail. Magpul stock, Mk4 LR/T Leupold and its a great shooter, but heavy. My rifle was very tight out of the box, after about 300rds it loosened up. Also take a look at the Enidine 308 buffer, magic. Takes a buch of recoil off, since I have the carbine version. But follow up shots are nicer too. Good luck in your choice man.

nice looking rifle....i also found some bushys under my budget.
http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/36_60/products_id/62628

Schuetzenman
11-30-2010, 03:18 PM
IMHO with Bushmaster you're paying for some name recognition over the DPMS weapon. http://www.dpmsguns.com/catalog.php?prod=GRFLR-C Try this link, only in the mid $800's. Then I'd check out the C Products magazines that Aim Surplus is carrying or .44 mag dot com.

romakdaddy
11-30-2010, 06:13 PM
IMHO with Bushmaster you're paying for some name recognition over the DPMS weapon. http://www.dpmsguns.com/catalog.php?prod=GRFLR-C Try this link, only in the mid $800's. Then I'd check out the C Products magazines that Aim Surplus is carrying or .44 mag dot com.

schuetz......i have one thing to say to you...........(que staples guy) WOW!!!!!!!.....THATS A LOW PRICE!!!!!!!!......lol

Helen Keller
11-30-2010, 07:28 PM
I built a DPMS Panther 308 last christmas.
2 Range trips and I sold it.



One of those guns were you wait and wait to get it and the end result is Meh.... SHoulda bought a PTR or a 308 Saiga instead.


C-Products is the way to go for Mags for all AR versions.

AKTexas
11-30-2010, 07:44 PM
I built a DPMS Panther 308 last christmas.
2 Range trips and I sold it.



One of those guns were you wait and wait to get it and the end result is Meh.... SHoulda bought a PTR or a 308 Saiga instead.


C-Products is the way to go for Mags for all AR versions.

What were your thoughts on it?How did it shoot?

Helen Keller
11-30-2010, 07:52 PM
Shot good and was reliable.
I had the Carbine version.



Recoil sucked hard, The Ergos/balance to me were lost due to the extra weight/size.

AKTexas
11-30-2010, 08:00 PM
Shot good and was reliable.
I had the Carbine version.



Recoil sucked hard, The Ergos/balance to me were lost due to the extra weight/size.

I had a Cetme and the recoil on that was violent but not unpleasant.I'm still on the fence about the AR-10.

filthy phil
11-30-2010, 10:29 PM
like this one
http://dpmsinc.com/firearms/firearm.aspx?id=19

NewbieAKguy
11-30-2010, 10:54 PM
I'm kinda in the same boat as your are. I'm leaning towards one of their AP4s like arcangel has, but maybe getting one of these, http://cmmginc.secure-mall.com/item/CMMG-MK-8-.308-Lower-with-Carbine-Busttstock-1449, so I can cash in on all the G3 mags I have. I'm just not sure if I want to get the upper machined to get it to work.....but I emailed cmmg, asking them if the upper would still work on a regular ar-10 lower after the upper was machined and they said yes.

arcangel
12-01-2010, 02:05 AM
Dude I think that would be better for you. You can cash in on those G3 mags, and it has the larger trigger guard and curve, that DPMS does not. And on recoil Enidine Hydrolic Buffers take alot away in my opinion. For putting a better stock on it will be the same as an AR 10.

NewbieAKguy
12-01-2010, 02:43 AM
Dude I think that would be better for you. You can cash in on those G3 mags, and it has the larger trigger guard and curve, that DPMS does not. And on recoil Enidine Hydrolic Buffers take alot away in my opinion. For putting a better stock on it will be the same as an AR 10.

Like I said, I'm still toying with the idea. I have a ptr-91 right now. Overall I've been satisfied with it. My main issues now is deciding which irons to go with...background with the irons is that I swapped the original irons (didn't like the diopter sight due to being so used to Garand/AR stle peep sights) with an xs sights tritium front dot and peep rear sight: http://www.xssights.com/store/tactical.html. I'm having a bitch of a time getting it sighted in. Thinking of saying the heck with it and going back to original sight or get a set of sights from meprolight for it: http://www.meprolight.com/default.asp?catid={13FDA500-5305-4F09-A761-1830EA3AD8C3}&details_type=1&itemid={04FB73C9-82CE-49FA-AF26-BCF416F172E4}. Or, as I mentioned about get lower that uses g3 mags and get dpms upper that way it's same ergos and controls like my AR.

Now that I look at it more, the meprolight sights doesn't look like it has a way to adjust elevation or windage :wondering:

Sorry romak, not trying to hijack ur thread. Of the two you listed, I'd go for the second mostly because personally I don't want the extra weight the bull barrel bring with the first one. But if you're going for better accuracy and shooting off a rest/bipod, go for it.

Schuetzenman
12-01-2010, 07:14 AM
I'm kinda in the same boat as your are. I'm leaning towards one of their AP4s like arcangel has, but maybe getting one of these, http://cmmginc.secure-mall.com/item/CMMG-MK-8-.308-Lower-with-Carbine-Busttstock-1449, so I can cash in on all the G3 mags I have. I'm just not sure if I want to get the upper machined to get it to work.....but I emailed cmmg, asking them if the upper would still work on a regular ar-10 lower after the upper was machined and they said yes.

No bolt hold open on the G3 AR15 mag lowers. Not sure if you realized that.

To the statements of recoil. Perception of recoil is different for each shooter, what I find tollerable others find intollerable. I've had HK and CETME clones and found both to be OK on recoil. I didn't think much of it really. Other shooters that tried the weapons were put off by the recoil. On the topic of weight, weight lessens felt recoil so it's a good thing really. If one thinks a .308 rifle is too heavy they need to buff up a bit at the gym.

NewbieAKguy
12-01-2010, 07:28 AM
No bolt hold open on the G3 AR15 mag lowers. Not sure if you realized that.

I did not, but there isn't a bolt hold open on the ptr-91 so it'd be a wash. Thanks for the heads up S-man.

romakdaddy
12-01-2010, 10:33 AM
im assuming the 20" heavy barrel is good for accuracy?

Schuetzenman
12-01-2010, 07:08 PM
im assuming the 20" heavy barrel is good for accuracy?

Mostly IMO it would be good for getting more speed out of the ammo. You're going to have a lot of unburned powder making a really big muzzle flash in a 16" barrel. Given a flat top receiver and a good scope accuracy lies mostly with the shooter reading the wind, light and any mirrage conditions. Barrel length becomes very secondary when the weapon is scoped. Only iron sights benefit from a longer barrel with respect to accuracy as the longer barrel minimizes sight missalignment effects.

davepool
12-03-2010, 11:42 PM
http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg279/dpool50/emiandDPMS308024.jpg
http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg279/dpool50/emiandDPMS308023.jpg

This is mine, i paid $1129.00 before tax,i've had it for a year now and in spite of it having the crappiest trigger i've ever experienced in an AR type rifle, it is very accurate, i have shot 5 round groups at 100 yds with 168 grn federal match ammo that you can cover with a quarter. I also have an armalite AR10(T) that i paid 500 bucks more for and the DPMS shoots just as well as it does.
This one is the Panther LR308 and has the 24" bull barrel, i would highly recommend this rifle,it's accurate,has never had a failure of any kind and the price is right at what you're looking to spend.
I just picked up this Timney trigger yesterday ( the manufacturor is 6 miles from my house ) and my 200 yd groups should improve greatly. With the "grinder" trigger it came with it's a little tough to maintain that 1" moa at 200 yds.

NewbieAKguy
12-03-2010, 11:50 PM
http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg279/dpool50/emiandDPMS308024.jpg
http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg279/dpool50/emiandDPMS308023.jpg

This is mine, i paid $1129.00 before tax,i've had it for a year now and in spite of it having the crappiest trigger i've ever experienced in an AR type rifle, it is very accurate, i have shot 5 round groups at 100 yds with 168 grn federal match ammo that you can cover with a quarter. I also have an armalite AR10(T) that i paid 500 bucks more for and the DPMS shoots just as well as it does.
This one is the Panther LR308 and has the 24" bull barrel, i would highly recommend this rifle,it's accurate,has never had a failure of any kind and the price is right at what you're looking to spend.
I just picked up this Timney trigger yesterday ( the manufacturor is 6 miles from my house ) and my 200 yd groups should improve greatly. With the "grinder" trigger it came with it's a little tough to maintain that 1" moa at 200 yds.

Nice rifle.....and nice reloading setup :thumbsup:

romakdaddy
12-04-2010, 08:34 AM
http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg279/dpool50/emiandDPMS308024.jpg
http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg279/dpool50/emiandDPMS308023.jpg

This is mine, i paid $1129.00 before tax,i've had it for a year now and in spite of it having the crappiest trigger i've ever experienced in an AR type rifle, it is very accurate, i have shot 5 round groups at 100 yds with 168 grn federal match ammo that you can cover with a quarter. I also have an armalite AR10(T) that i paid 500 bucks more for and the DPMS shoots just as well as it does.
This one is the Panther LR308 and has the 24" bull barrel, i would highly recommend this rifle,it's accurate,has never had a failure of any kind and the price is right at what you're looking to spend.
I just picked up this Timney trigger yesterday ( the manufacturor is 6 miles from my house ) and my 200 yd groups should improve greatly. With the "grinder" trigger it came with it's a little tough to maintain that 1" moa at 200 yds.

can it shoot 7.62 nato or is that one of the true .308 barrels?i heard theres a slight difference

romakdaddy
12-04-2010, 08:37 AM
to add: the PSL has a bid so its technically sold i started it at 1200 so well see where it goes from there.

davepool
12-04-2010, 04:54 PM
can it shoot 7.62 nato or is that one of the true .308 barrels?i heard theres a slight difference


http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg279/dpool50/308ammo003.jpg

These are two of the ammo types i have fired through this rifle, best accuracy is from the federal, but no functional issues with either 308 or 762 of any manufacturor. I thought the differences in the cailbers were in the chamber dimensions,but i am by no means an expert. Heck you built that beautiful PSL you know way more than me about this stuff :)

davepool
12-04-2010, 05:07 PM
As far as the trigger goes, i don't think mine is typical of all these rifles,i don't know anyone else who has one so i have no basis of comparison, mine may be just a fluke, no matter to me anyway, i put Timney triggers in all my ARs. It's supposed to be a standard two stage, this one is more like a 3 1/2 stage,took a little getting used to before i started getting sub 1" groups at 100 yds.

Schuetzenman
12-04-2010, 07:03 PM
7.62 Nato spec is lower pressure than .308; 48,000 PSI vs. 60,000 psi respectively. Also, the Nato case can be up to .008" longer than a .308 case. Some batches of 7.62 N ammo will function in .308 spec chambers, but some won't due to case length.

romakdaddy
12-04-2010, 07:47 PM
7.62 Nato spec is lower pressure than .308; 48,000 PSI vs. 60,000 psi respectively. Also, the Nato case can be up to .008" longer than a .308 case. Some batches of 7.62 N ammo will function in .308 spec chambers, but some won't due to case length.

so if you plan on using multiple brands including milsurp 7.62 is the way to go?

also:
i found an affordable 22lr upper for the rguns lower i built http://www.marksarmory.com/83401.html im digging the cmmg sierra for $325

Helen Keller
12-04-2010, 07:56 PM
just saw this yesterday


http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/storeproduct936.aspx


wish they were around last year.

romakdaddy
12-04-2010, 09:39 PM
ok my ADD kicked in and this came across my plate not as accurate but has some ooh ah factor http://www.gunforall.com/shopcart/mcartfree/product.asp?intProdID=159724
im pretty much settled on this one though http://www.dpmsguns.com/catalog.php?prod=GRFLR-C for the price i can afford the cmmg 22lr upper and have 2 new toys.

arcangel
12-05-2010, 03:59 AM
Dayum! That is a nice price. That rifle and some good glass would be a range rapist for sure. Are you going to change anything out? Or replace the FSP for a low profile? Just wondering.

romakdaddy
12-05-2010, 11:01 AM
Dayum! That is a nice price. That rifle and some good glass would be a range rapist for sure. Are you going to change anything out? Or replace the FSP for a low profile? Just wondering.

i thought about a full float guard and low profile block with rail.

romakdaddy
12-10-2010, 09:09 AM
ok im at the ordering stage on the lr-308 classic but the r&r guns place is throwing me some wierd vibes.schutz,have you dealt with these guys? i sent a copy of my dl for age verification and had my dealer fax the ffl copy over attention me.i cant get an answer when i call just a message saying everybodys busy call back later.looks like i may have to pay a bit more and go with another company.

arcangel
12-10-2010, 09:21 AM
Off topic, did you have any troubles with your R-guns lower? I just bought one and found that the magazine release button is a little large for the cut out on the lower.

romakdaddy
12-10-2010, 11:34 AM
Off topic, did you have any troubles with your R-guns lower? I just bought one and found that the magazine release button is a little large for the cut out on the lower.

if ya mean me,mines a sharps lower and it went together flawlessly with the dpms parts kit i got for it.

on another rant,it seems my credit card merchant account people called me and declined the payment because it wasnt automotive related...didnt know it mattered but....damn.i called the buyer and hes like "no problem,ill overnight you a check"...this guy is cool i tell you.