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Arnulf
12-01-2010, 10:41 AM
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20101201/sc_afp/usmilitaryweaponsafghanistan

I would not want to be on the wrong end of this weapon.


by Michael Mathes Michael Mathes – Wed Dec 1, 2:09 am ET

WASHINGTON (AFP) – It looks and acts like something best left in the hands of Sylvester Stallone's "Rambo," but this latest dream weapon is real -- and the US Army sees it becoming the Taliban's worst nightmare.

The Pentagon has rolled out prototypes of its first-ever programmable "smart" grenade launcher, a shoulder-fired weapon that uses microchipped ammunition to target and kill the enemy, even when the enemy is hidden behind walls or other cover.

Click image to see photos of the XM25 weapon system



AFP/Army Handout
After years of development, the XM25 Counter Defilade Target Engagement System, about the size of a regular rifle, has now been deployed to US units on the battlefields of Afghanistan, where the Army expects it to be a "game-changer" in its counterinsurgency operations.

"For well over a week, it's been actively on patrols, and in various combat outposts in areas that are hot," said Lieutenant Colonel Chris Lehner, program manager for the XM25.

The gun's stats are formidable: it fires 25mm air-bursting shells up to 2,300 feet (700 meters), well past the range of most rifles used by today's soldiers, and programs them to explode at a precise distance, allowing troops to neutralize insurgents hiding behind walls, rocks or trenches or inside buildings.

"This is the first time we're putting smart technology into the hands of the individual soldier," Lehner told AFP in a telephone interview.

"It's giving them the edge," he said, in the harsh Afghan landscape where Islamist extremists have vexed US troops using centuries-old techniques of popping up from behind cover to engage.

"You get behind something when someone is shooting at you, and that sort of cover has protected people for thousands of years," Lehner said.

"Now we're taking that away from the enemy forever."

PEO Soldier says studies show the XM25 is 300 percent more effective than current weapons at the squad level.

The revolutionary advance involves an array of sights, sensors and lasers that reads the distance to the target, assesses elements such as air pressure, temperature, and ballistics and then sends that data to the microchip embedded in the XM25 shell before it is launched.

Previous grenade launchers needed to arc their shells over cover and land near the target to be effective.

"It takes out a lot of the variables that soldiers have to contemplate and even guess at," Lehner said.

If, for example, an enemy combatant pops up from behind a wall to fire at US troops and then ducks behind it, an XM25 gunner can aim the laser range finder at the top of the wall, then program the shell to detonate one meter beyond it, showering lethal fragmentation where the insurgent is seeking cover.

Use of the XM25 can slash civilian deaths and damage, the Army argues, because its pinpointed firepower offers far less risk than larger mortars or air strikes.

The result, the Army says, is "very limited collateral damage."

The Pentagon plans to purchase at least 12,500 of the guns -- at a price tag of 25,000 to 30,000 dollars each -- beginning next year, enough for one in each Infantry squad and Special Forces team.

Lehner said the XM25 was special in that it requires comparatively little training, because the high-powered technology does so much of the work.

"This system is turning soldiers with average shooting skills into those with phenomenal shooting skills," he said.

AKTexas
12-01-2010, 10:45 AM
http://www.gunsnet.net/showthread.php?4892-U.S.-Army-Unveils-Revolutionary-Rifle-in-Afghanistan&highlight=weapon

Partisan1983
12-01-2010, 11:22 AM
....and only $10K a round.....

Arnulf
12-01-2010, 11:50 AM
....and only $10K a round.....

Oh man that sucks.

samiam
12-01-2010, 11:56 AM
Isn't that a lot of OUR money to be spending on a place that ain't worth shit in the first place?

Arnulf
12-01-2010, 12:02 PM
Isn't that a lot of OUR money to be spending on a place that ain't worth shit in the first place?

Yeah...the whole place ain't worth a plug nickel.

Mark Ducati
12-01-2010, 12:28 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytPa8ihfrPU

chiak47
12-01-2010, 01:34 PM
One would think they would devise a new war doctrine after 10 fucking years.

10k a round...nice

The military industrial complex that Gen.Ike warned us about is damn hungry...

sevlex
12-01-2010, 02:50 PM
How much of a game-changer it will be when the bad guys capture a few of these?

:coffee:

matshock
12-01-2010, 02:52 PM
10K? is the projectile guided as well or does the optic just show you where to aim?

Krupski
12-01-2010, 03:33 PM
10K? is the projectile guided as well or does the optic just show you where to aim?

For $10K per round, the ammo better bring the body back for verification!

Hatedbysheeple
12-01-2010, 07:34 PM
where are you guys pulling this 10k figure from, try $25 a round


The XM25 costs just $25 per bullet fired.
http://www.geek.com/articles/gadgets/us-army-develops-xm25-remote-controlled-bullets-rifle-2009068

matshock
12-01-2010, 07:53 PM
where are you guys pulling this 10k figure from, try $25 a round


http://www.geek.com/articles/gadgets/us-army-develops-xm25-remote-controlled-bullets-rifle-2009068

That sounds more believable.

$35K is still a lot for a squad weapon though- and you'd think HK would at least throw in a bipod. :wow:

Still, we're gonna need to get our rights back if this thing is as good as advertised- it should be available to civilians for the sake of maintaining a well-regulated militia.

Arnulf
12-01-2010, 08:04 PM
Is it just a coincidence that this super duper weapon was in the news on the same day as the the 6 soldiers mowed down by an Afghan policeman the army had trained?
I got the 2 news articles on the same day on yahoo news.

gpwasr10
12-02-2010, 02:10 PM
I thought you were talking about the recent deployment of this game-changer....

http://www.tms.org/pubs/journals/JOM/9705/Montgomery-9705.intro.lg.gif

tank_monkey
12-02-2010, 08:36 PM
where are you guys pulling this 10k figure from, try $25 a round
http://www.geek.com/articles/gadgets/us-army-develops-xm25-remote-controlled-bullets-rifle-2009068

Because so many dudes at Gunsnet pull ALL OF THEIR 'FACTS' out of their asses......

tank_monkey
12-02-2010, 08:40 PM
How much of a game-changer it will be when the bad guys capture a few of these?

Actually it's the munitions and software interface (which changes encryption access on a regular basis) which makes the weapon useful. The Towel heads would (a) NOT have access to any sizeable number of munitions and (b) once you change the encryption protocol for the weapon, they can't access it. Duh! This scenario was already addressed in the articles and pieces on Fox News. So it is still a game changer. Only OUR soldiers would have access to munition resupply and also be able to maintain current security controls via software.

HDR
12-03-2010, 06:23 AM
Isn't that a lot of OUR money to be spending on a place that ain't worth shit in the first place?

So killing all those members of Al-Qaeda's senior staff wasn't a good thing? Afghanistan brought the enemy and our war fighters together with predictable results; our warriors killed off a lot of theirs; brought their senior staff where we could kill them..

You do remember bin laden lived there, it was everything from his R&R center to his address.. Even terrorists need an address to buy things and store them.. Remember all the films of their fighters training?

No war is a good thing; however, killing the enemy, killing his senior staff and kicking him out of house and home to live out of a suitcase is a good thing...

If it was up to you; they would still be there, training and sending their people all over the world.

HDR
12-03-2010, 06:25 AM
Before it can be called a game changer, it must play in the game and change it.

The first issue of the M16 and AKs were also game changers; not.....

AKTexas
12-03-2010, 10:07 AM
Before it can be called a game changer, it must play in the game and change it.

The first issue of the M16 and AKs were also game changers; not.....

Very true,not even battle tested and it is being dubbed the wonder weapon to end all conflicts.

samiam
12-03-2010, 10:19 AM
So killing all those members of Al-Qaeda's senior staff wasn't a good thing? Afghanistan brought the enemy and our war fighters together with predictable results; our warriors killed off a lot of theirs; brought their senior staff where we could kill them..

You do remember bin laden lived there, it was everything from his R&R center to his address.. Even terrorists need an address to buy things and store them.. Remember all the films of their fighters training?

No war is a good thing; however, killing the enemy, killing his senior staff and kicking him out of house and home to live out of a suitcase is a good thing...

If it was up to you; they would still be there, training and sending their people all over the world.

Actually, if it were up to me we wouldn't have abandoned the Afghans after they chased the Russians out.

tank_monkey
12-03-2010, 02:17 PM
Before it can be called a game changer, it must play in the game and change it.

The first issue of the M16 and AKs were also game changers; not.....

I respectfully think you're missing the point. The ability to kill enemy that is HIDING behind cover is hella COOL! Most of the engagements in Afghanistan are from long distances where the enemy fires from rock formations in the mountains or mud/brick structures in villages. Unlike the jungles of NAM, these guys have no overhead cover much of the time. This is a MAJOR leap forward in small arms technology. :D

Partisan1983
12-05-2010, 01:33 AM
Because so many dudes at Gunsnet pull ALL OF THEIR 'FACTS' out of their asses......

I meant to say $1K a round.......


It's called "sarcasam"....you should look it up ;)

Partisan1983
12-05-2010, 01:38 AM
I can't edit my post....so nevermind

T2K
12-05-2010, 02:06 AM
When I first read this article, my thought was "cool, but one guy in the squad has no close combat ability?" - I'm sure there is a minimum engagement range, yes? Will the guy carrying this have anything else more than a pistol? Will he even be issued a pistol?

tank_monkey
12-05-2010, 03:06 AM
I meant to say $1K a round.......


It's called "sarcasam"....you should look it up ;)

Well One thousand a round is still $975 too high ;) And twas not your fault, but your post allowed others to take the false number and RUN WITH IT. And yes, the lack of ability to edit because of a couple of douchebags flamefest is annoying.