7.62 NATO AR Question

[Zoff12]

I cannot remember....

Was there a company making 7.62 NATO AR's that used FAL mags?

[AKTexas]

Bushmaster once did,now I think it is Rock River Arms.

http://www.rockriverarms.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=category.display&category_id=402

I like this one here.

http://www.rockriverarms.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=category.display&category_id=400

[Gunreference1]

Bushmaster

http://www.gunblast.com/Bushmaster_308.htm

[Warlord]

I cannot remember....

Was there a company making 7.62 NATO AR's that used FAL mags?

Yes RRA makes a fine AR10 type weapon that takes either metric or inch FAL mags, sure beats the hell out of paying $60 bucks a mag from Armalight or even slightly lower prices from there competitors. They renamed ther verson the LAR-8, and it is dead balls reliable and a tack driver. :sniper:

Her's a few pics of mine...

http://i972.photobucket.com/albums/ae206/warlordsbunker/ar10005.jpg?1280094252

http://i972.photobucket.com/albums/ae206/warlordsbunker/ar10003.jpg?1280094417

http://i972.photobucket.com/albums/ae206/warlordsbunker/ar10006.jpg?1280094485

I love mine and highly reccomend one, best value and cheepest mags on the market.

[Zoff12]

Sweet!

[imanaknut]

Uh Warlord, I know that is your rifle, but it sure looks like an AR15 and not an LAR-8. That M16 mag sure does not look like an FAL mag. Or is that a 30 round FAL mag???? :D

Seriously, where did you find a 30 round FAL mag and is it reliable?

[Zoff12]

Uh Warlord, I know that is your rifle, but it sure looks like an AR15 and not an LAR-8. That M16 mag sure does not look like an FAL mag. Or is that a 30 round FAL mag???? :D
Looks just like the 30rd FAL mag I have.

[AKTexas]

Uh Warlord, I know that is your rifle, but it sure looks like an AR15 and not an LAR-8. That M16 mag sure does not look like an FAL mag. Or is that a 30 round FAL mag???? :D

In one of the pics you can see the RRA logo.

[imanaknut]

I know, I was just joking about the mag! I have not had the luck to run into any trustworthy 30 round FAL mags. I would like to know if it functions enough to be fully trustworthy and where to get one, or two, or ...

[AKTexas]

I know, I was just joking about the mag! I have not had the luck to run into any trustworthy 30 round FAL mags. I would like to know if it functions enough to be fully trustworthy and where to get one, or two, or ...

Gotcha,I think DSA sells those mags but can't say what the price is.

[NewbieAKguy]

I thought cmmg made lowers to take FAL mags....nope, just checked. They make lowers that will take dpms mags and g3 mags.

[Warlord]

Uh Warlord, I know that is your rifle, but it sure looks like an AR15 and not an LAR-8. That M16 mag sure does not look like an FAL mag. Or is that a 30 round FAL mag???? :D

Seriously, where did you find a 30 round FAL mag and is it reliable?

Yea Nut it's a 30 round inch FAL mag (unissued), works great and locks back after the last round, got 2 on Gun Broker NIW. I also got 20 NIW 20 round Israeli metric mags for $200 delivered, can't beat that. Not only is the lo cost mags a huge +, but the fact that I live behind the lines and can only own pre ban high cap mags made the RRA LAR-8 a no brainer. Another + is I get to beat the bastards at there own game, boooooooooyaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!

[Mark Ducati]

http://www.cmmginc.com

I know you asked about FAL Mags, Bushmaster and RRA are the only ones making them... but CMMG makes them that will take DPMS/SR25/Armalite mags and G3 mags...

http://cmmginc.secure-mall.com/shop/images/1307-2073.jpg

[AKTexas]

http://www.cmmginc.com

I know you asked about FAL Mags, Bushmaster and RRA are the only ones making them... but CMMG makes them that will take DPMS/SR25/Armalite mags and G3 mags...

I like the G3 option,I still have 40 of those $1 mags sitting in a crate.

[deputyvaughn]

I have one of the old model Bushmaster AR-10s. Bushmaster discontinued making them after about 2 years and Rock River picked up the model. Actually if I understand correctly Bushmaster was originally marketing the Rock River rifle under their name and Rock River now makes the rifle in their own name. Love mine.

Scott

[VERIFORCE TACTICAL]

7.62 Nato and .308 Winchester are the same. never heard of 308 win mag. Do you mean 300 win mag? 300 win mag is NOT the same. Much bigger cartridge.

[Gunreference1]

7.62 Nato and .308 Winchester are the same. never heard of 308 win mag. Do you mean 300 win mag? 300 win mag is NOT the same. Much bigger cartridge.

darrween, who mentioned a .308 Win. Mag.? Also, the 7.62 NATO and the .308 Win. really are not the same.

http://www.thegunzone.com/30cal.html

Steve

[Schuetzenman]

7.62 Nato and .308 Winchester are the same. never heard of 308 win mag. Do you mean 300 win mag? 300 win mag is NOT the same. Much bigger cartridge.

To the point of 7.62 NATO and .308 being exactly the same, not quite but they are close in physical dimensions. 7.62 N can be longer than .308 case length also on pressures the 7.62 N is loaded to about 48,000 psi where as .308 can hit 60,000 psi. Self loading weapons designed around the 48K pressure can not tollerate the 60K pressures of .308 civilian ammo for long. Damage to the weapon is a serious possibility. Is it going to blow up, no probably not. The damage will come to the recoil and buffering components and or extractors and ejectors.

[Bluedog]

Magpul is making a Pmag that fits:

* Mk11 / M110
* KAC SR25
* DPMS LR308
* LMT 7.62 MRP
* LaRue Tactical OBR
* LWRC REPR
* POF P-308
Also, the ORIGINAL AR10, NOT the current production Armalite version. It costs $20 or less. The DPMS/ Stoner mag will soon be the standard for .308 ARs.
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/12/14/magpul-7-62x51mm-pmag-20-lr/
http://cdn5.thefirearmsblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/magpul_pmag_762x_51mm_20_lr-tfb-tm.jpg

[Penguin]

Well that is a nice looking AR. I have never really liked the AR but that is tempting to look into.

[Warlord]

Thanks! I just got a carbine, I'll post pics as soon as the finishing touches are done.

Thanks RRA for giving us sutch a superior weapon. :thumbspbig:

[arcangel]

I run the 7.62 P mags in my DPMS AP4 and they are loads more reliable than the factory mags that came with the rifle. They are pretty cheap too for what your actually getting.

[RCS]

Magpul is making a Pmag that fits:

* Mk11 / M110
* KAC SR25
* DPMS LR308
* LMT 7.62 MRP
* LaRue Tactical OBR
* LWRC REPR
* POF P-308
Also, the ORIGINAL AR10, NOT the current production Armalite version. It costs $20 or less. The DPMS/ Stoner mag will soon be the standard for .308 ARs.
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/12/14/magpul-7-62x51mm-pmag-20-lr/
http://cdn5.thefirearmsblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/magpul_pmag_762x_51mm_20_lr-tfb-tm.jpg

Have you tried these personally? I'll be getting into the DPMS game second quarter next year. I really would like to get into these magazines.

[arcangel]

Yes, they have ran great with my DPMS, would be cool if they had the window like some of the other P mags.

[RCS]

Yes, they have ran great with my DPMS, would be cool if they had the window like some of the other P mags.

That's great news. I really don't want to pay $45+ for factory mags that aren't doing too well in the QC department.

[arcangel]

I hear that dude, the DPMS factory mags in my use of them are the shittiest mags. Wont feed, and just gums everything up by slowing it down. You'll like the magpul.

[NewbieAKguy]

To the point of 7.62 NATO and .308 being exactly the same, not quite but they are close in physical dimensions. 7.62 N can be longer than .308 case length also on pressures the 7.62 N is loaded to about 48,000 psi where as .308 can hit 60,000 psi. Self loading weapons designed around the 48K pressure can not tollerate the 60K pressures of .308 civilian ammo for long. Damage to the weapon is a serious possibility. Is it going to blow up, no probably not. The damage will come to the recoil and buffering components and or extractors and ejectors.

OK, just for clarification it's better to get .308 Win. chambered rifle because it can handle both .308 Win. and 7.62N?.......the opposite of 5.56 and .223? Reason I ask is that I'm thinking about selling/trading my ptr-91 for a .308 AR. I have no experience with .308 ARs and I just want to make sure I get a rifle that can handle both types of ammo.

[arcangel]

My DPMS LR308 AP4 is stamped 7.62N and have ran 500 rds of Hornaday Match BTHP in 308 through it. No probs. Dont know if that'll help.

[El Laton Caliente]

I like the G3 option,I still have 40 of those $1 mags sitting in a crate.

I think I have somewhere between 200 and 300... maybe I should do an inventory... I found another case I forgot about when we moved...

[Schuetzenman]

OK, just for clarification it's better to get .308 Win. chambered rifle because it can handle both .308 Win. and 7.62N?.......the opposite of 5.56 and .223? Reason I ask is that I'm thinking about selling/trading my ptr-91 for a .308 AR. I have no experience with .308 ARs and I just want to make sure I get a rifle that can handle both types of ammo.
.308 spec for a chamber is up to .008" shorter than NATO spec. Meaning .... a .308 round will always fit in the chamber of a 7.62 NATO chambered rifle but not the other way around. A .308 spec chambered rifle may find lots of 7.62 N that will not chamber in the weapon. PRESSURE for 7.62 N is lower than .308. The Nato round is loaded to 48,000 psi, .308 SAAMI spec allows for up to 60,000 psi. A G3 type is designed to run on blow back pressure and IMHO could be damaged by .308 SAAMI spec. 60,000 psi ammo. IMO only the FN FAL type weapon is quasi safe to operate with .308 ammo and that is because it has a gas dump to bleed off excess pressure and tune the weapons cycle rate.

[NewbieAKguy]

.308 spec for a chamber is up to .008" shorter than NATO spec. Meaning .... a .308 round will always fit in the chamber of a 7.62 NATO chambered rifle but not the other way around. A .308 spec chambered rifle may find lots of 7.62 N that will not chamber in the weapon. PRESSURE for 7.62 N is lower than .308. The Nato round is loaded to 48,000 psi, .308 SAAMI spec allows for up to 60,000 psi. A G3 type is designed to run on blow back pressure and IMHO could be damaged by .308 SAAMI spec. 60,000 psi ammo. IMO only the FN FAL type weapon is quasi safe to operate with .308 ammo and that is because it has a gas dump to bleed off excess pressure and tune the weapons cycle rate.

So in a nutshell it's not as simple as the 5.56 vs. .223 chamber. Hmm, interesting how 5.56N has higher pressure than commercial .223, but 7.62N has lower pressure than commercial .308.