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btcave

01-13-2011, 02:08 PM

Heading into the armory, with Heather driving of course. I have to pick up some "homework" to do at home, so I can make up the two days of drill I missed last weekend. My retirement day will be April 1st. Only 2 more drills to go!

21 years total. 8 total years of active duty and 12 years of part time Guard. I'm so done with this. I can't wait.

Saving up for a travel trailer. Looking for a 23 or 24 footer. Heather and I are going to spend the summer going places! She took the week off to care for me during my initial recovery after surgery. She's such a wonderful woman. I'm very lucky to have her.

My brother and step-son picked up a cord of wood over the weekend for me. The stuff is still wet, so it don't burn too well.

The pain was something else this morning. Took the pain meds about an hour to take the edge off.

It's raining. That's why things are green here. It rains all the time.

Janet

01-13-2011, 07:22 PM

old Grump

01-13-2011, 07:41 PM

I saw the term on gunsnet of course [ND], Thanks OG, Suggestion for a travel trailer, they come in 2 foot measures, 24, 26, 28, etc. depending on how far away you are traveling, and how long you are staying, look for something you will be "comfortable" in. and can pull easily.This is off topic and we don't ever drift off topic on this site, (says I with a straight face). See new post discussing negligent vs accidental discharges.

(in general firearms forum)

Janet

01-14-2011, 03:29 PM

Read other post first, learned bunches, Paul shares caution with weapons. looks like we will be playing carnival again this summer, new boss is looking for a camper for us so we can have a shower, privacy, and a stove so we can cook for whole crew when we are not working, [and we have to take dogs] lol, we are learning to navigate Pa. from the inside out. lol

63DH8

01-14-2011, 03:45 PM

Brian, have you looked at Craigs list? http://www.craigslist.org I've been looking for a camp trailer too so I'll have a place to live when I tear down this house and build the wheelchair accessible house for Liz.

btw... Seems the Seattle area Craigs list has more selections than other places. Looks like the liberals have more money to spend than other places.

btcave

01-14-2011, 04:48 PM

63- I use craigslist often. I've had two loads of firewood delivered to the house this winter using craigslist. I guess I should of thought about looking in the Seattle area. I found my F350 up in that area using craigslist last summer. I'm looking to spend about $5000 on the trailer. $1000 down and finance the rest through the credit union.

So when are you building the new house?

Oh. Great opportunity to show off my truck... It's a beast!

http://img691.imageshack.us/img691/6900/truck1h.jpg

2004 F350 4x4 crew cab Super Duty 6.0 Diesel. It's been a great truck. Since the daughter wrecked my Bronco last May I needed a newer vehicle that could tow a trailer.

63DH8

01-14-2011, 06:43 PM

Brian, that's ironic! My truck is also a 2004 4x4 crewcab Superduty! It's a 250 though. Right now, she's muddy from driving in the front yard.

http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/rvs/2160517876.html

http://seattle.craigslist.org/oly/rvs/2160283693.html

http://seattle.craigslist.org/oly/rvs/2160250959.html

http://seattle.craigslist.org/oly/rvs/2159414839.html

kathy

01-14-2011, 08:10 PM

Nice truck! :thumbspbig:

Hedning

01-15-2011, 01:28 PM

Oh...mmhuh.... its something wrong with that picture, right??! .....wait... oh yes. I cant see the ram on the hood.... I can see one outside my window though. Im in the same era, 2003... 2500 Dodge Ram Laramie, Cummins diesel of course. Modified all the way..... Turned 233000 miles today.

Im sitting here cutting 32-20 brass, converting them to 32-44. Boring job, but it pays off at the range. Little one sleeps over at my parents house, so its kind of quiet. Thats when the bottle of whiskey and the jar of beef jerkey drops out of the cabinet. I guess my wife is here somewhere, but I wount have a look see. That just means I have to do something domestic. Im not made for domestic things....

Have you guys seen the Ari Vatanen thread I got in the non firearm forum?? You should watch that guy winning the Pikes Peak. That was back in 1990 if I dont remember wrong. That was when the rally drivers could still use the group B cars.... In short, they were two seats with a good suspension, 4 wd, and 2000 pounds of dynamite behind you.

No news on the scandinavian front besides that Im going to write a letter to the prime minister and ask him what I have to do to get rid of my Norwegian citizenship. I cant be Norwegian when we got idiots running and ruining this fine country. I have to go somewhere else, a place where I can be Norwegian.

Well.... have a great weekend and have a lot of fun.

old Grump

01-15-2011, 05:27 PM

Okay little buddy what has Statsminister Jens Stoltenberg done to you this week. (Hope I spelled that right, relying on dinosaur memory). Or do I have the wrong guy? It's been awhile since I read any Norwegian news. By the way where would you go that is any better? Some of us envy your freedom. Grass is always greener on the other side of the fence eh?

You know what they say:
"The grass is always greener on the other side
of the fence".
That's true, you know.
But did you ever wonder
which side of the fence you're on?

I think I am on the other side.Gresset er alltid grønnere på den andre siden av gjerdet.

Hedning

01-15-2011, 08:10 PM

You got all your norwegian right. Even the saying. Are you using tritrans or something??

Well, Im on the side thats green. I can admit that. But stupidity goes a long way. Ill give you a complete update when I get there in person. You`ll totaly understand. Norway is a free country. A rich country. We got nothing at all to complain about, BUT......

Norway Inc. got a big huge got damn pile of money. All due to the oil. This little frosty country got a LOT of oil. Now... just one example. When I go to work in the morning. 5 am. 1h20m drive to Oslo... Ok, fair enough. Working minimum 12 hours, fair enough...However, I have to use a road that kills a lot of people to get there. So, finally they have decided to make a freeway. (Been a plan for like 15 years.) Toll free?? NO. Belive it or not, but my annual cost, just to use the road will be $4200. Im not full of shit, its for real. So Im going to start a group.... The group that blows up toll stations.... In 5 years from now Im probably in jail. I dont mind, Ill have more friends than ever that way. I said it to Mona today. Get used to the idea of vissiting me behind bars. I got the knowledge, and Ill do it. We have had toll stations for a very long time. But you have to place your tent somewhere. Enough is enough. The road toll thing is just one tiny example. You would not grasp what we pay in tax and fees. This is it. We are going French..... I didnt mention up there that I pay 48% income tax.... YES I do!

One more... the people have paid for the oil developement. The builiding of the platforms, the ships, the refinery, the lot. Norway Inc got a cost of $0,33 per litre gas or diesel..... We have to pay $2.2 at the pump..... I bought my Dodge Ram in 2003. Back then it was relatively reasonable to buy. American cost, freight, dealer merit, and then it was mine. Now you have to pay.... hold on to something... $152666.67 just in tax to get that truck. Reason? It seats 6 people and got a big engine. If you dont belive me please feel free to call the assholes and ask. Ill pay that got damn phonecall for ya.... The French have a saying about the Norwegian rage...well, they are about to talk about that inside those fucking brick walls in Oslo too.

Jens Stoltenberg is a clown. A bad one... The Stoltenberg family has been politicians for generations. They have never produced anything. Not even a small pile of shit. This country is a senior citizen heading for the grave. Prosperity is indeed a sign of ruin.

I have no idea of which country that would welcome my simple demands. The US would be a cliché, you got a lot of things that makes sense. On the other hand, you got several things that dont. If I knew the english language a little bit better I could make this sound somewhat inteligent. I guess this sounds like a 2. grade complaint. Its not... By far.

Im proud of being a Norwegian. But this is it. I would fight for my King and country, but not for a bunch of morons and bullshit. If all hell broke loose and by luck or accident Stoltenberg and the lot fell into my trench, I would cut their neck with my teeth and use them as a gun rest/cover.

You just have to build a room for me OG... Ill do whatever work you need to have done. No snake hunting however..... But I could hunt moose with a knife.
That was a very long story short, even if it took a lot of words using bad english... Bottom line. Im fed up, pretty angry and I will blow up those toll stations. Just keep an eye up on the news from abroad.

OG...there is also one saying that says.... If you meet 4 guys, and 2 of them are assholes. Beat them all... the two normal guys could turn into assholes aswell.

old Grump

01-15-2011, 09:46 PM

Taxes is where all the Scandinavian countries lose it for me. High taxes couples with high welfare programs is the socialist equivalent of redistributing wealth. From those who make it to those who don't have it. Our country keeps trying to head that way and that is why the Tea Party was born. It wasn't a single issue but a whole bucket full of issues. The one thing you guys have that we don't yet is so many of your major industries are state owned and I have never seen a government any where in any country that can run a business as well as private owners can. I think that as much as anything brought the Soviet Union down. Not that simple of course but a huge factor.

I really haven't studied it, this is what I am picking off from my readings on world economies as a whole.

What is tritrans? The way I got the Norwegian was to look up a post from an artist on building fences where the grass was greener on the other side. Then I had that post translated to English, found the phrase I wanted and copied the original Norwegian. Probably long way around to getting it but I found that little poem and it tickled my giggle, it seemed appropriate.

btcave

01-16-2011, 01:01 AM

Test

No workie...

63DH8

01-16-2011, 03:00 AM

kathy

01-16-2011, 08:15 AM

The tax man will love me. I took money out of my 401K to buy a house, looks like were closing this month. Thats ok, I am paying 60K below market in a great area. :piggy-bank:

Janet

01-16-2011, 11:40 AM

Kathy, where are you going. My ex lives in Conn. some where, with his current wife.
will this area be friendlier to your getting elected.

btcave

01-16-2011, 11:42 AM

This is Gold Butte lookout. This is one of the lookouts that the Sand Mountain Society (of which I am a member) restored from a mothball state. I get the privlege of opening and closing it every spring and fall. I was in the process of closing it down when I herniated that disc in my back. We also work in conjunction with the Forest Service to staff three lookouts during fire season to look for fires. I go up to Sand Mountain and watch for fires occasionally as one of the volunteers that gives the payed lookout a 4 day break every 10 days. Being alone up there this summer was wonderful medicine after coming home from Iraq with the Oregon National Guard.

It is now a rental. http://www.recreation.gov/camping/Gold_Butte_Lookout_Or/r/campgroundDetails.do?contractCode=NRSO&parkId=75520

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btcave

01-16-2011, 11:54 AM

63- That's funny! Haha!:rotflmbao:

Kathy- Congrats on the house!

Hedning- That is too much taken from your own people for the "community". I'm surprised your people aren't rioting in tax revolt! You bought a Dodge? Just like my sister...

kathy

01-16-2011, 02:01 PM

Brain, that is beautiful!

63DH8

01-17-2011, 01:19 PM

It never fails! I get carried away in the moment, and post or say something that I wouldn't say around the ladies, and they overhear. :embarrassed: I apologize to anyone who I may have offended.

Brian, here's my truck. I took the picture at Ocean Shores last summer.

http://www.gunsnet.net/photopost/data/500/medium/DSCF0333.JPG

2004 F-250, XLT Sport, 4X4, Crewcab, 6.0L diesel.

Almost forgot! Last night, I ran across a truck that looks almost identical to mine. It belongs to the local State Patrol office! His has the hidden blue and red lights, 4 inch exhaust, ARP head studs, stage II injectors, and reprogrammed. The suspension was also reworked for better handling. I guess they figures there's nothing like a big black brute right on your tail to make you want to stop running!

btcave

01-17-2011, 05:03 PM

I like your truck. I went with the long bed for the pure utility of it, but i like the look of the shorter bed. I have to be aware where I take it. Not too good trying to park in tight places.

That police truck sounds like a brute. I wonder kind of mileage he gets.

I've got 58,000 miles on mine now. I never had a diesel before. I just hope she stays repair free for a while.

I guess these had some software issues at first. Mine was reprogrammed by the former owner through Ford, as I'm pretty sure most were. I also found out the 6.0 has an issue with the EGR cooler going bad. There is aftermarket parts to address this as well, to include a bypass replacement (may not be exactly emissions legal in some states). I'm pretty sure mine is original. Crossing fingers it doesn't fail. Those are the only issues I'm aware that the 6.0 has had.

The former owner must of drove mine until the warranty ran out and then traded it in. It had 52000 miles on it when I bought it. Not a scratch on it. I hunt and do the lookouts, so it's not going to stay that way.

Hedning

01-17-2011, 05:34 PM

Brian, great pics! Is that one of those firetowers you worked on?

Also Brian, you know that Dodge truck owners suffer from premature ejaculation, don't you? While they're cummin, Ford owners are still powerstroking! :coffee:

That was actually funny.... However....you guys, have to, do some powerstrokin.... The Cummins sound seem to attract those with skirts so you dont have to. Think about it the next time you drive by the Dodge dealer.....

Seriously... I could live with a Ford outside my window... That third option powered by Duramax.... That would not work for me.

63DH8

01-17-2011, 08:26 PM

Brian, I have a 16 foot trailer to haul my tractor, so the shortbed wasn't a problem. It took a while to get used to the length of the truck, but it wasn't too bad.

Did you know Ford has a 200,000 mile, 10 year warranty on the 6.0 engines? If you're having problems with the EGR system, get it in on the warranty. When I first got the truck, the check engine light was on. My service manager recommended that I drive I-90 to Spokane and back. He suspected there was soot plugging the EGR cooler due to short drives. Sure enough! On the way home, the light went off, and haven't been on since. At the next service, the mechanic noticed a leak at one of the heads. He checked to see if I had the upgraded cooler. Beings I did, he recommended I take a long drive whenever the engine threw a code saying the EGR system was acting up. If you ever have the engine torn apart, have the mechanic replace the headbolts with studs. It'll make it more reliable; You won't have to worry about blowing head gaskets if you decide to put an aftermarket program on your truck. One of the first things to do is replace the exhaust with 4 inch pipes. That will keep the exhaust temps down. Keeping the exhaust temps down will help save the turbo.

I think the cop said he's pushing around 400hp, and 600ft/lbs of torque. He gets a kick out of rice burners trying to outrun him. :D

kathy

01-18-2011, 09:10 PM

Kathy, where are you going. My ex lives in Conn. some where, with his current wife.
will this area be friendlier to your getting elected.

Beacon Falls. This is outside the district I ran in and the guy who actually won his election in the new place is good. He sat next to me at one of the debates...I wont be running there, I can help get Len Greene, the current guy get re-elected.

Paying the left over bills from the campaign I am relieved anyway. The gift that keeps on giving.

63D dont sweat it, were all grownups here. :thguns:

old Grump

01-19-2011, 01:43 AM

Don't matter none to me where you live, When the ground softens up a bit...when I can see the ground again I'll stick your campaign sign up by my mailbox.

BT how is the back today, sciatica easing up yet? I'm guessing you want to get back up on the tower next summer again, just be a bit more careful how you handle those stairs. That's why us old codgers move a little slower on them, getting up after a slip takes us longer.

63, old truck driving mama thought it was funny, nurse sister didn't know what a Cummings was. I thought it was pretty punny but then I ain't growed up yet, getting old doesn't necessarily mean growing up.

kathy

01-19-2011, 09:38 PM

Thanks OG, the house closing is next Friday. I am excited to get on with life. The job here is challenging but less stressful than it was in Denver.

Now to find a local range. :santa2:

old Grump

01-19-2011, 09:49 PM

Ma had cancer surgery yesterday, went in for a little spot about half the size of her little fingernail and had to keep cutting till they tout over 3" 20 stitches to close and now another sore on her wrist doesn't look good, hopefully its not cancer. I posted a little something for her in GD. She won't see it but enough people will she will hear about it.

If it aint one thing its something else.

kathy

01-20-2011, 06:13 PM

btcave

01-20-2011, 09:05 PM

OG- Prayers sent.

63- Thanks for the heads up on future maintenance.

My first project for the truck will be installing trailer braking. I'm normally a do it your self guy with cars and trucks, but I think this is a project I'll pay someone to do. Sometimes I have to do a project 2 or 3 times to get it right (ie getting a good seal after changing a thermostat), but I'm not going to gamble crossing the Cascades with a do it your self trailer braking system. Santiam Pass looses altitude fast when coming down into the high desert from the summit.

My trucks brakes shimmy some on that decent. Might need to rotate and balance the tires, or replace the rear self adjusters, or rotors and pads are in the near future. (I think they are drum brakes on the back, I haven't looked).

The Bronco turned me into an amateur mechanic. I was always working on that beast. Brakes, sensors, radiator, thermostat, water pump, chain cover gasket, fluid changes everywhere, 4x4 hubs, ect. It's so nice to own a vehicle I can drive and not be tearing it apart every 2 or 3 months. The 2003 Mustang has about 110,000 miles on it, so I'm looking at stuff failing on it pretty soon, I'm sure.

Until my back heals, I'm at the mercy of the mechanic. So crossing fingers I wont have issues until I heal and can start bending and twisting again. Crap, I can't even change my own oil right now!

kathy

01-21-2011, 08:05 PM

BT you may grow to enjoy watching someone else do the back breaking work while you supervise....
:coffee:

btcave

01-22-2011, 12:12 AM

BT you may grow to enjoy watching someone else do the back breaking work while you supervise....
:coffee:

Blasphemy Kathy!:10_3_10:

63DH8

01-22-2011, 12:28 AM

btcave

01-22-2011, 12:54 AM

Brian, I had the same problem with my truck. Turned out it was the front brake rotor. Our trucks have four wheel disk brakes. They're fairly simple to work on. Pop the calipers off, then the disks slid off. The front brakes may require some persuasion in the form of a 3lb hammer. One of the problems our trucks have is the weight of the engine. That weight makes the front brakes work quite a bit harder than trucks with gas engines. I warped my new front brakes in less than a year, which was a good thing as Ford warranties parts for a year. I'm not saying it's your front brakes, only that it's fairly easy to take care of the problem.

As for the trailer brakes, I installed mine on my truck. It's waaay easier than it was years ago. Behind your radio is a plug that sits there in mid-air plugged into nothing. That's where you plug in your trailer brake controller. You can access is from under your steering wheel when remove the shroud that covers your fuse panel. Plug the controller's harness there, and the other end into your controller. That's it!

This is the company I bought the controller from. http://www.southwestwheel.com/store/showproduct.aspx?ProductID=4751&SEName=tekonsha-prodigy-p2&gclid=CJG_0MmDzaYCFRxqgwodrhHnHg They sent me the wrong (free) harness, but sent me the new one, no question asked.

This video shows how easy it is to install the controller and harness. http://www.etrailer.com/tv-brake-controller-2000-ford-f250-superduty.aspx

That's it? That's it?!?! Crap Allen, the next time I'm up your way I'll meet you somewhere and buy you a beer... or a coffee or something if you don't drink anymore. You just saved me some money 63. Woo Hoo!

As for brakes, I'm a brake expert thanks to the Bronco's under-braked design. Online sites can be a HUGE resource when it comes to car repairs.

Two of my favorite sites...

http://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/index.php
http://www.fullsizebronco.com/forum/

and...

http://www.rockauto.com/dbphp/mfr,MOTORCRAFT
http://www.northernautoparts.com/
http://www.summitracing.com/
http://www.napaonline.com/
http://www.autozone.com/autozone/
http://car-part.com/

I usually use Napa or the wrecking yard.

63DH8

01-22-2011, 01:46 AM

I'm also a member of the Ford trucks site. It helped tons in the past! Ditto with car-parts. When my truck's front axle's locator bracket broke it's weld, I used it to buy another axle. It was way cheaper to rebuild that one than buying a new axle and swapping my parts into it. On top of that, I have the guts left over to use as spares in case this one dies. Oh! NAPA's Puget Sound warehouse is just down the hill from me, about a mile. :D

Hedning

01-22-2011, 06:38 PM

Sorry to hear about your mom OG, I hope she is ok and remember how to swear in Swedish.

I hope everyone else in here is ok too. Im ok, my better half aint. She has caught something we call the "krystall syke" (crystal illness). Makes her head spinn. Even if she is lying in the bed it feels like riding a roller coaster. I hope the doctors can do something because she is really suffering... Yet she has given me the orders to go to the range tomorrow. She is a keeper. Ill follow her orders and come home with some flowers.

Trucks.. mine needs some service. Ball joints are all used up. Ill change to a free spin hub while Im at it. Going to cost me bad, but it will pay off in the long run.

old Grump

01-22-2011, 09:17 PM

Thanks, she is uncomfortable because she only rests good on her back and that isn't going to happen for another month. Nothing wrong with her mouth and she remembers the words she wasn't supposed to hear or learn from Grandpa and great grandpa so she can cuss in Norwegian, Swede, Bohunk, Truck driver and Navy. Hopefully they got it all, they think so but only time will tell.

Hope your better half gets to feeling better soon, having the same problem on this side of the pond and it's keeping me out of my car, off my mule, out of my shop and away from my guns. I need to get outside and get some fresh air in my lungs and some exercise or I am going to go stark raving crazy. Nurse sister says there is only three steps to go completely over the sanity line and I have taken two of them already.

63DH8

01-23-2011, 03:12 PM

No more mechanicing for me for a while! I was helping a friend replace his powersteering pump yesterday when I wrenched my lower back. I can feel it down to the back of my knees. :(

old Grump

01-23-2011, 04:31 PM

No more mechanicing for me for a while! I was helping a friend replace his powersteering pump yesterday when I wrenched my lower back. I can feel it down to the back of my knees. :(Keep forgetting we aren't 23 years old anymore huh? Put on some coffee, put a roast in the oven, a bowl of dip at your elbow and your favorite snack then sit back to watch the football game. If you feel like cheering say yippee, if you feel the urge to jump up and dance take a double dip with your snack. That's all the exercise you need till you are up on your feet again. Doctor has spoken, no charge this time.

Hedning

01-23-2011, 05:05 PM

OG, be sure to get some fresh air before I get there. It would be frustrating getting over there and having to dodge bullets, gravell, cups, jugs and whatever because you have lost your little last piece of sense.

Mechanical work... is ok.... as long as its not in the car or truck department. I have shortened my life by 23 years by doing that kind of work. 22 of those years because of pure rage and swearing. Those guys up...or downstairs must have a long list on me just because of my truck-mech time. I hate it. But those bills from the professional guys are even worse. So I have to deal with it...

I made some pretty tasy mooseballs tonight. Full of garlic and herbs. Even little one ate a ton. Next fall Ill try to shoot moose with a shotgun loaded with local herbs. Makes cooking a lot easier.

Had a great day at the range today. That old 32-44 Smith Wesson just have to be a winner. I cant understand why Smith Wesson ditched that caliber just to come up with a rather similar one. Only problem so far is that the primers must have been a lot harder back then. Hammer and chamber pressure mess up the indexing (dont know if you use that word, revolving-indexing)....Shot a few rounds with my old trapdoor aswell. Allways a pleasure. If I was sent to a desert planet not knowing what to face I would pick a trapdoor.... or an AK47. If I could choose I would stay home though. I prefer listening to the birds.

Control question.... do you remember how to save a sweed from drowing??

old Grump

01-23-2011, 06:40 PM

Control question.... do you remember how to save a sweed from drowing?? Same as you do for a Norwegian, toss a bar of soap in the water.

Got to the shop today for a little bit, planning on some more tomorrow, things are looking better. I wear out fast but a little 'on my feet' time will get my strength back.

63DH8

01-24-2011, 12:11 AM

OG, one problem with your prescription; I don't care for football. At least on TV I don't. Ditto with most other sports.

I can't say how much I appreciate how much Erika helps around here! No questions asked, no need to tell her, nothing! She just jumps in and helps with her sister.

Hedning, it was a car that did me under! If it was my truck, I don't think it would have been a problem. There's not much I can do on the thing without pulling the cab. :(

That reminds me; I need to replace the fuel filters on the beast. It's one of the few things I can do on the truck.

old Grump

01-24-2011, 12:13 AM

Just made pickled eggs tonight, tried something new, made a few sweet eggs for ma and some British Pub style for Biker Brother and me with the Jalapeno pepper in the juice pickling away with the eggs. Will let you know in 2 weeks if I should have stayed with tried and true or if experimenting is a good thing. With ma's I added a little sugar and half the spice. with mine I added cinamon, cloves, allspice, 50 % more picking spice instead of 10 black peppercorns. I have them but don't know how old they are so I'll grind them up and use them for regular pepper. That and a little extra vinegar instead of the full amount of water and I should be good to go, they aren't even cool enough to put in the refrigerator yet and they are already turning that lovely shade of pickled egg yellow.

:dancing-banana-red-:dancing-banana-red-:dancing-banana-red-

Thinking ahead I had some Beano picked up with the last grocery run or it will get exciting in the old barn because that's where nurse sister will chase us out to spend the night if we do our usual thing.

Gonna be a long 2 weeks.

kathy

01-24-2011, 04:45 PM

So much excitement! All of you are having. :gum:

63D I hope your back is better soon, you may also begin to enjoy supervising someone else doing the work... while enjoying coffee.. You and Brian can pull up a chair and hire a mechanic to boss around together.

Hedning I hope you wife's spinning has stopped by now. That would drive me nuts, hope she is better.

OG pickled eggs? Never had them sounds like a walk on the wild side. :thgunssmall:

Still waiting for the closing on my house, driving me nuts.

old Grump

01-24-2011, 06:52 PM

OG, one problem with your prescription; I don't care for football. At least on TV I don't. Ditto with most other sports.Gotcha, I haven't seen a football game in 2 years and I used to be a fanatic. Might be why I have a HUGE pile of John Wayne tapes. I suppose I should switch over to CD or DVD but I just finally learned how to set the clock and auto-record on the VCR. My phone has a cord that goes to a socket on the wall. I may live in 2011 but I am living in 1976. :gruebel:

OG pickled eggs? Never had them sounds like a walk on the wild side. :thgunssmall:That isn't the way my mom puts it. I told her I made hers half strength and she demanded to know why. When I told her how I made mine she turned white and said jalapeno like it was a swear word. Now she is wondering if half strength is weak enough but she didn't get any of the pepper brine. Of course I forgot to tell her that, I need to make her worry a little, takes her mind off the day when they come in to remove her stitches. I volunteered to bring in my pliers and do it for her. She suggested that I stay home. Well it wasn't exactly a suggestion, it was more on the order of :th911:

13 days to go before I try my eggs. If they turn out really good I'll make a double batch and let the Norwegian have one the day before he has to go home. They will move him up to first class and everybody else to the back of the plane. :laugh: They won't let him on that airline again.

kathy

01-25-2011, 06:39 AM

13 days to go before I try my eggs. If they turn out really good I'll make a double batch and let the Norwegian have one the day before he has to go home. They will move him up to first class and everybody else to the back of the plane. :laugh: They won't let him on that airline again.

He may get on a watch list...

old Grump

01-25-2011, 02:22 PM

Or he, my biker brother whose nickname is (pickle belly) and I will be blamed for global warming/cooling/climate change...pick one.

kathy

01-25-2011, 06:00 PM

Or he, my biker brother whose nickname is (pickle belly) and I will be blamed for global warming/cooling/climate change...pick one.

So, I will be looking forward to the snow melting here when your pickled eggs are done? The snow here is kickin our butts...... :punch:

old Grump

01-25-2011, 08:51 PM

When the snow is down to ankle deep hop on your bike and head this way. I'll have another batch ready. :runforhills:

old Grump

01-26-2011, 12:45 AM

.
We are in trouble... The population of this country is 300 million.

160 million are retired.

That leaves 140 million to do the work.

There are 85 million in school.

Which leaves 55 million to do the work.

Of this there are 35 million employed by the federal government.

Leaving 20 million to do the work.

2.8 million are in the armed forces preoccupied with killing Osama Bin-Laden.

Which leaves 17.2 million to do the work.

Take from that total the 15.8 million people who work for state and
city Governments. And that leaves 1.4 million to do the work.

At any given time there are 188,000 people in hospitals.

Leaving 1,212,000 to do the work.

Now, there are 1,211,998 people in prisons.

That leaves just two people to do the work.

You and me.

And there you are,

Sitting on your ass,

At your computer, reading jokes..

Nice. Real nice

My answer:

I'm retired, don't gotta, don't wanna, aint gonna!

kathy

01-26-2011, 08:16 AM

LOL, thats a good one. And I intend to sit and entertain myself with jokes on the computer today. Was a long "workathon" this past couple of weeks. 5 fun filled days off to move. :clap:

The bike sadly is under a cover covered in snow.:freeze:

63DH8

01-26-2011, 09:46 PM

I'm trying to find a tracked snowblower to build one of these for Liz.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TmzNVIFY--k

kathy

01-26-2011, 10:16 PM

That is FABULOUS 63D! :santa2:

old Grump

01-26-2011, 11:07 PM

Nice but won't that eat up batteries really fast?

63DH8

01-27-2011, 12:22 AM

At the moment, Liz uses a pair of 24F batteries in her wheelchair. I was thinking that she will be able to use either a pair of these:
http://www.batteryasia.net/batteries/images/semi_b01.jpg

Or four of these: http://images.canadianlisted.com/nlarge/new-optima-redtop-34-78-high-performance-automotive-battery_5187348.jpg

kathy

01-27-2011, 09:30 AM

Can she use a gas powered motor?

15 more inches of snow whoo hoo! Were getting even more tomorrow, on top of the hills forming a canyon in the driveway. And we plan on moving tomorrow, fun fun.

63DH8

01-27-2011, 01:01 PM

Kathy, unfortunately, the problems with gas engines are they're noisy and can't be used indoors. Otherwise, I would put a small gas engine on her wheelchair, and use either hydraulics or a generator to keep the batteries charged. It would solve much problems.

Hedning

01-29-2011, 05:53 PM

63... Iv used those batteries they use for temporary traffic lights on my electric boat motor. It runs almost all summer. Heavy bastards, but they hold a lot of Ah.

I feel good about the weather. The days are getting longer and longer every day. Special feeling when the light comes back. Those poor bastards up north have to wait a few months more to see the sun at all.

Mona had a pretty good day yesterday. Today, all messed up. She will go to the hospital on monday. Just to have a look see. Hopefully its nothing else up there thats wrong. Crystals are bad enough. Anybody that knows how that crystal thing happen?

She and little one goes to Lanzarote next friday, if she can make the flight. "Jump on" flights are so cheap, and a week in the sun might cheer her up a little. She was well enough to give me hell when I was fluxing my lead earlier today though. Pretty cold outside, so I fired up the Lee P20 inside my reloading room. But the wooden stick I used had a tendency to catch fire and smoke the place. A little fan saved the day.

OG, I can see Muscoda is on the melting side on the thermometer today.

Funny, when I read my post it seems like Iv written boat twice up there. But when I try to edit, its just boat... not boat boat!??!?!?

63DH8

01-29-2011, 06:40 PM

These look like they would be better suited for Liz's needs. In fact, my front yard is bad enough where this would work much better than the snowblower's track.
http://cdnmedia.endeavorsuite.com/images/catalogs/1890/products/detail/ed5b3d46-f4ac-4569-b3d3-233b6760ea20.jpg

The problem is, they cost almost a third that of a powerwheelchair!

http://shop.hyperformanceparts.com/Camoplast-TATOU-ATV--UTV-TRACK-SYSTEMS-detail.htm?productId=10000710

old Grump

01-29-2011, 06:53 PM

Would this work any better for her. I know a guy on another site who uses one and he has a rack built on it so he can shoot because he has limited use of just one arm.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=2wJ7MtozfSA

http://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&channel=s&hl=en&source=hp&biw=1272&bih=602&q=4wd+wheelchair&btnG=Google+Search#sclient=psy&hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US%3Aofficial&channel=s&biw=1272&bih=602&tbs=vid:1&q=4wd+wheelchair+links&aq=&aqi=&aql=&oq=&pbx=1&fp=1c5f2baf197528df

63DH8

01-29-2011, 07:52 PM

Holy COW!!! The price is less than shipping on these! I may be able to track Lizzie's wheelchair for a reasonable price!

http://shop.hyperformanceparts.com/TJD-Fabrications-TJD-TRACK-SYSTEMS-detail.htm?productId=9176971&ez=Tracks%20%26%20Track%20Components~q=fidaa117zz~ r=~

http://cdnmedia.endeavorsuite.com/images/catalogs/1795/products/detail/d357b615-3254-45e2-98a0-f443f6171eca.jpg

63DH8

01-29-2011, 08:28 PM

OG, my front yard is pretty bad off. I mean, I had to use one of my trucks to pull out the other yesterday. I'm not sure if wheels can deal with the ruts and mud that my yard is.

old Grump

01-30-2011, 12:11 AM

You might want to rethink the track then, they have a wonderful ability to get you deeper in trouble before getting stuck and are harder to extricate. I'm thinking of all the people on the board you know that better than anybody not in a cavalry unit or working construction on tracked vehicles.

If my dinosaur memory remembers correctly from the old site you are clay based with poor drainage? Sort of a challenge and I don't envy you. I have considered this for my own back field which is primarily sand but would serve me in the winter like right now. It's the only thing I can think of that would be able to handle any terrain you can throw at it. Could be a bit bulky but the screws wouldn't have to be all that big for a single wheel chair and one passenger. Remember this thread?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=zBjlSJf4274

63DH8

01-30-2011, 02:25 AM

Yeah.... I was a recover vehicle commander. I had to pull tracked armor out of sticky situations. Just like 4x4 drive trucks, they're harder to get stuck, but when they do, they're harder to get unstuck.

The biggest advantage tracks have over wheels is their smoother cross country ride. More than anything else, that's what I want for Liz.

old Grump

01-30-2011, 03:28 AM

The biggest advantage tracks have over wheels is their smoother cross country ride. More than anything else, that's what I want for Liz.That's what I thought but without a picture of your yard in my mind I just couldn't help thinking 4 big rubber wheels might be a little smoother. Hard to really tell without trying one vs the other, especially on a small short wheelbase vehicle. That just complicates things a bunch more. Me thinks you have a heck of a project and I wish you luck whichever way you end up going.

coppertales

01-30-2011, 09:34 PM

I may be able to go off my BP meds. The pain lately is from the gym. I took a 4 month leave from working out. I feel like an old man in the morning. But wait, I am getting there. I have to hobble out to the mail box for my social security checks once a month.....chris3

btcave

01-31-2011, 12:47 AM

A piss stop in middle Iraq, coming back from Talil.

http://img823.imageshack.us/img823/2858/dsc00153k.jpg

http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/4497/dsc00152ig.jpg

http://img641.imageshack.us/img641/8903/dsc00151lh.jpg

btcave

01-31-2011, 12:50 AM

At the Ziggurat of Ur.

http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/2080/dsc00103jk.jpg

Tourism Iraqi style.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHt2RofZJTE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPjEWsKDfag

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-pmXK_UME4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_wOEJz8wcY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5mMxY5VYhuc

63DH8

01-31-2011, 01:21 AM

btcave

01-31-2011, 01:25 AM

The changes I've seen in MTOE since 1990... I'm too old for this s... now. Time to let the younger guys do it. March 6th is my last day wearing the uniform, if they don't lose the retirement 4187.

old Grump

01-31-2011, 04:09 PM

Thanks Bro! I love checking out landscapes, history, culture, and people from other cultures and lands.

I can't help but think, "Cool shit-bang equipment! Wish we had them when I was there!", then I figured the VN vets were thinking that about the equipment we had during GWI. :coffee:
You got that straight, a lot of equipment I worked on or with was commissioned in WWII or the Korean War. My radar wasn't but it was the last one put in the fleet using vacuum tubes as the major electronics component. The deuce I drove at White Sands or in the Army reserves may have very well been some of the equipment used by or seen by my step father in Korea. I was so excited when I finally got my first crack at night vision goggles and now I look at what they got today and this old dinosaur feels like a really really old dinosaur.

Crazy videos, I looked at all those steps and my first thought was where is the elevator?

kathy

02-01-2011, 07:48 AM

Awesome Brian! Thanks! Nice to visit places like that, unless they are shooting at you. Its great to have you home.

Hedning

02-01-2011, 05:34 PM

Looking at those steps allmost gave me an heartattack. I need new knees. They come in titan these days dont they?

Anybody in here that can point out a place where I can find parts for an old Oliver OC3, a Cletrack? My dad has a new project going.... He has just finished restoring an old boat engine. Twostroke diesel, 1 cylinder 610 cid. After months of work the day finally arrived when he called me and said I better get over and help him fire it up. Not exactly a safe starting procedure on that one. Better be two, so one can call the paramedics. It started allright, but my old dad had forgotten to clean the pipe. Must have been 16 dead birds and rats in there. Feathers and fur all over the place. Pretty hillarious...

Norway has been a good mother lately. Bouncing up and down arround freezing point. Mona feels better, so it looks like Im going to have the house for myself for a week while they are sun seekers down on the Canari Islands.

Ha en jævlig fin dag alle sammen......

btcave

02-01-2011, 08:51 PM

Ha en jævlig fin dag alle sammen......

I just translated this. That made me smile. My mothers grandparents were Norwegian. She says she grew up listening to her grandmother ranting in her native tongue whenever she got mad. Sorry, I don't know anything about boats, other than they are a black hole you throw money into and never see again.

old Grump

02-01-2011, 08:57 PM

Boats are Gods gift to man. we were incubated in water and going out on a large body of water is like returning to the womb, it is good for the soul and worth every penny. My row boat is my haven from the world, nobody can bother you when you are alone on a body of water and you are smart enough to leave communication devices locked up out of reach, out of sight and preferably turned off. Fishing pole optional, hooks, baits and lures not required to have a good day on a body of water.

But they sure add to the fun.

btcave

02-01-2011, 09:15 PM

You sure make that sound good OG.

Never got into fishing. Between hunting, the Lookout's, the Guard and spending time with the wife, I just don't make the time. Not many lakes within 2 hours drive here, but quite a few if I'm willing to drive 3 hours. The Ocean is about an hour and a half away. The Columbia and Willamette rivers are close. My father in law says he'll take me sturgeon and salmon fishing. I should take him up on that before his cancer finally claims him.

I'm a poor fisherman anyway. Too impatient. Give me the wilderness teaming with deer or elk to hunt for my soul healing. If I don't heal well enough, I won't be diving into those canyons and climbing those ridges like I'm used to doing. Fishing may be in my future after all...
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_5F8g2icbKow/SwD6sI5ZaTI/AAAAAAAAAoM/RU_Edz8Ft0U/s1600/DSC06980.JPG

http://media.oregonlive.com/environment_impact/photo/woodenergyjpg-4a8b610c4e279006.jpg

Hedning

02-02-2011, 08:58 AM

BT......If I didnt know better I would have sworn you were in the wrong country. That looks exactly like my neighbourhood. Pines, pines, pines some more pines and a moose.

"Ha en jævlig fin dag alle sammen", means "Have one hell of a nice/fine day everybody".... "Jævlig" means something affected by the devil. Uses it for nice and bad things. If you want to say, "very good". You say "jævlig bra" (hell good). If you want to say, very bad-.. you say "jævlig dårlig" (hell bad). About 40% of an conversasion contains something about hell, the devil and his mother in law.

Ha en faan så fin dag..... (have a devilish fine day)

63DH8

02-02-2011, 12:26 PM

Heding, I'm about two and a half hour drive north of Brian. It's not much different here than there, with the exception that I have the Puget Sound. It's like the fjords in Norway.

I did recognize "fin dag alle". It's not much different than Danish. :coffee: Fine Ethiopian coffee this morning. Lightly roasted, bold, but not overwhelming in flavor. Not that "Army field coffee" taste either! :thumbsup:

Hedning

02-02-2011, 03:17 PM

63, that explains the deja vu feeling.

Yes, Danish and Norwegian are more or less identical the writing way. How we pronounce the words are something else. The Danes sounds like they have a potato down their throat. We understand them, but the words float together badly. We have a much sharper sound and R`s like Mexicans. Its like comparing American english and Scottish English.

I dont have any tasty coffee, just the Java Statoil coffee I got when I fueled up my truck. They have a good coffee deal. As much free coffee you can drink as long as you use a Statoil cup. Well, not totally free. You pay $20 for the cup, but thats it.

old Grump

02-02-2011, 09:32 PM

You just think its coffee, That's how they recycle their oil without having to pay a disposal fee.

btcave

02-02-2011, 11:54 PM

Second MRI done and all looks as it should be. I have about a year of pain cycling as the scar tissue forms, then hardens and contracts, which pulls on the nerve, then breaks down with activity and starts the process all over again. Explains why I'm cycling through pain and relief and back to pain. When the 8 week healing period is over, it's stretching and physical therapy to keep the scar tissue breaking down until I'm back to normal. I could see the scar tissue and the bone they removed from my spine in the image. Pretty cool.

I've got 90% of my leg control and strength back. The pain gets more intense over a period of about 6 or 7 days and then I feel pretty good for a few days. Then back to hurting. It's way better than before though, when I hurt 24/7 non-stop and limped around like I had a wooden leg.

old Grump

02-03-2011, 12:14 AM

Do they have you doing a lot of walking and swimming. It's what kept me on my feet. If I didn't keep it up I was down flat on my butt and it was hell getting started again.

63DH8

02-03-2011, 02:12 AM

Hedning, somewheres around the homestead, I have a coffee cup from a truck stop that holds a liter of coffee. Unfortunately, the truck stop's ideal of coffee is about the same as the Army's. :(

Brian, I'm watching your progress closely. Sooner or later, I know I'm going to travel the same path. The only reason I've turned it down is I have to take care of Liz. That includes carrying her and lifting her in and out of the tub.

I'm glad you explained the process. So far, none of the doctors have explained it like you have.

kathy

02-04-2011, 07:51 AM

Good morning. Hope everyone is enjoying a cup of favorite brew.

Whats the count down till spring...?

old Grump

02-04-2011, 09:02 AM

Good morning. Hope everyone is enjoying a cup of favorite brew.

Whats the count down till spring...?44 days 10 hours, 13 seconds...12..11..10..9..8..7.

I have been trying to put the countdown clock in my sig line but I can't figure out how to do it. Us simple country boys have problems with technical things like that but I do have it bookmarked for quick access.

btcave

02-04-2011, 09:26 AM

Good morning all. The brew is good and the dog is next to me making the squeaky ball squeak. It may be Friday, but I got to work tomorrow to make up hours for all the doctor appointments over the last week.

63- If your problem is herniated disc's then I would definitely recommend the procedure.

Hedning

02-06-2011, 06:23 PM

After reading couple of posts in general disc. forum I understand that several places in the USA suffer from badass snow falls. How are you guys doing? Can you see the light? Eastern Norway has been good for a few days. Not too cold and a blue sky.

Had a blast at the range today. Black powder range. I friend of mine got an old muzzleloader for free doing some work for his boss. That boss could not have known what he gave away. My friend called me when he got the rifle and asked me if I was interested. And off course, Im totaly hooked on old guns so I picked it up a few days ago. This rifle is pure Norwegian rifle history..the "kassepipe" (boxpipe). It got that name from the square shape. It was first made with a snapplock, related to the flintlock. Later converted to percussion lock. These rifles were made out of marsh iron. That iron has a rather uniqe side. Its not likely to rust.

The rifle I picked up is made between 1740-1770..... So I brought this rifle to the range today. After making some 50 balls as soft as possible. The nipple was so wide that the hammer flew back into full cock when I fired. But it hit the paper at 50m. A few collectors at the range wanted to arrest me for using such a rifle for target shooting. I continued shooting after responding that the rifle is 260 years old and will outlast every one of us.... Really made my day wonderfull. Here are some pictures of an identical rifle that is displayed in a museum.

http://img715.imageshack.us/img715/3430/kassepipe3.jpg
http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/2624/kassepipe2.jpg
http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/7922/kassepipe.jpg

So there you got a little history lesson from the norwegian armory..... To be continued sooner or later...

btcave

02-06-2011, 06:51 PM

That is a beautiful piece of art there Hedning! I would love to come upon such a find! Thank you for the little history lesson. They were true craftsman when making such things once upon a time.

I have to settle for my reproduction .50 cal. percussion cap Great Plains Rifle made by Lyman. I don't know what it's a reproduction of, but it shoots well. I honestly haven't shot it in about 3 years. I've also got a reproduction 1858 Army cap and ball revolver also. That one gets shot every year.

http://img808.imageshack.us/img808/8831/dsc00384y.jpg

http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/7435/dsc00385o.jpg

old Grump

02-06-2011, 09:34 PM

http://img715.imageshack.us/img715/3430/kassepipe3.jpg
http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/2624/kassepipe2.jpg
http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/7922/kassepipe.jpg

Did I mention my birthday is next month. Dang it all, I have to keep wiping drool off my shirt and the keyboard.

63DH8

02-06-2011, 09:55 PM

Kinda of a cool thing someone built in their garage. :crazy:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNnSqmem3fs

Hedning

02-07-2011, 02:26 PM

Here is another example of something you dont see every day. I got this from the same guy.

Its a 4 bore rifle. Using conical bullets of the pussy weight of 2000 grs. Powder charge 800 grs.

http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/6079/4bore.jpg
http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/2761/4bore2.jpg

I havent been able to find a conical mold for it, but Jeff Tanner is going to make a round ball mold for me. Ill try to tape the test shooting.

btcave

02-08-2011, 11:58 PM

Holy smokes! That thing is a beast! It's like OG's 10 gauge with rifling!

old Grump

02-09-2011, 10:37 AM

My 10 gauge don't come close to that and I wouldn't even think about trying to shoot that beast unless it was tied to an anvil to slow down the recoil and there was somebody else's shoulder between that stock and me.

:mouse2:

Hedning

02-09-2011, 12:27 PM

If you miss the moose with that one you can allways use it as a sledge and knock it down..... Might not be that bad to shoot with round balls. A good punch yes, but not close to the ogival bullets.....

Can you feel spring coming closer over there? Its on its way. Something about the light and air. 5 F this morning, but by noon it was 32 F. I better start looking for a flight OG.

old Grump

02-09-2011, 04:41 PM

As I sit here typing this it is 1520 hrs in the afternoon and it got all the way up to 6F degrees today -14,5 C to you. However it is 39 days, 2 hours, 35 minutes and 55 seconds to Spring. We will be ready for you but bring your warm socks and hat just in case.

My round ball weighs 177 grains and I use 90 gr of FF in the winter and 110 gr of FF in the summer. Muzzle velocity around 1600 fps give or take a little and only 8 ft/lbs of recoil against my old shoulder. You are talking about 8 times as much powder and a damn bullet that weighs over 4 pounds, that is almost as much as my loaded rifle weighs. Please tell me those numbers were a typo or you are using a different weight system than the rest of us use. That is almost 4 times heavier than the 50 cal MG bullets I used to shoot and I had sand bags holding down the legs on my tripod.

If you can handle that then you don't need no gun to take on a moose, you could kill a bear skin him and butcher him with the left hand while you wrestle with the moose with your right hand.

Hedning

02-09-2011, 06:54 PM

No typo... BUT, the 800 grs powder load was something I read that the military just tested. No pleasent experience for the shooter, so they settled for 400-550 grs... I think its an article about the 4 bore at wikipedia. Ill try to find the article. They even used them as early "thump guns". Loaded with a small explosive canon ball.

Just found the Wikipedia thing.....http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4_bore

And here is a comparison in the cartridge department....
http://img837.imageshack.us/img837/293/4bore.png

And comparing TKO factor:

Just for fun, I ran the equation for John “Pondoro” Taylor’s famous Taylor Knock-Out values on all the cartridges. Results were:

(CONTROL ROUND – 30-06 – TKO 21)
416 TAYLOR – TKO 57
470 NITRO EXPRESS (16” bbl) – TKO 69
505 GIBBS – TKO 87
510 WELLS – TKO 95
4-BORE – TKO 409 (!)

old Grump

02-09-2011, 07:45 PM

I think I found the article:

The huge lead slugs fired by the gun were sometimes capable of stunning a charging African elephant to stop it on its tracks, or turn its charge(causing it to change direction to avoid the hunter)but it was generally unable to kill the creature outright with a frontal brain shot.[ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4_bore#cite_note-shakariconnection.com-1)

Between 1874 and 1876, he slew exactly seventy-eight elephants with that gun, but eventually there was a double loading incident together with other recoil problems from it, and he finally gave it up as too "upsetting my nerve".

Frederick Courteney Selous

I think if I was back in those days I would have done my hunting with a bow and arrow. You can run a lot faster with a bow in your hand than you can with a 13 pound rifle. :mouse2:

kathy

02-11-2011, 06:32 AM

Moose hunting with sledge hammers? That I would like to see on youtube... gives the moose the advantage I think.:think:

Hedning

02-11-2011, 08:17 AM

A sledge would be my last choice. Damn hard to reach the head.... However, we have one older guy over here that actually killed a moose with his head. He ran right into it when he was riding his motorscooter. Luckily he had a helmet on. Pitch dark night down a slope, at 45 mph he made a clean hit to the moose`s neck. Dead on the spot. They found a heap of moose with a scooter stuck under it and a not so healthy veteran. That guy is so full of bad and good luck you wouldnt belive it. Besides that he is not the sharpest knife in the drawer, or the kitchen for that matter....

kathy

02-11-2011, 02:55 PM

He was lucky, that would kill most anyone else.

We have moose here in Connecticut, I didnt think so but OG researched and showed me the evidence.

Installed my dishwasher yesterday, its been a long time since I had one... enjoying the swoshing sound while it does the work. :coffee:

Hope you all are enjoying your day.

old Grump

02-11-2011, 03:27 PM

Sister coming home from hospital today and you just reminded me. I need to fill the dishwasher and get it going before she gets here.

I broke the clothes washer while she was gone, luckily it only cost $84.40 to repair. I hate it when she leaves, the peace and quiet is nice but now I have to take the blame for every little thing that goes wrong.

kathy

02-13-2011, 07:17 PM

OG I hope she will be ok, she needs to keep her eye on you.....

Hedning

02-15-2011, 03:09 PM

Old Grump... I thought you were the dishwasher machine.

btcave

02-19-2011, 07:56 PM

63DH8

02-20-2011, 02:28 AM

I hate scooping out the cat box. Thought I'd share.

They should start dieing off in about 5 years. There are three. Not going to take any replacements. I'm sick of having cat hair on everything I own.

The sun is out today. I have all the windows open to air out the house.

Come on spring!

I know what you mean. I hate scooping out cat boxes too. That's why I've been toilet training my daughter's cat. There were a few accidents, but the concept seems to have sunk in.

Did you open your windows to give the cats a route out? :coffee:

btcave

02-20-2011, 12:38 PM

Grandmother is coming down from Bellingham today. Going to the church potluck in her honor. She's the last surviving original charter member of the St. Helen's First Missionary Baptist Church. The building was built by the members, including my grandfather, in the 1930's. The last time I was there was in 2005 for a funeral. I'm going to see relatives there I haven't seen since then. This should be fun.

Coffee today was from Costco. Basically Starbuck's. I really don't like Starbuck's. Tastes burnt to me. I asked the wife not to buy it anymore, but it will take a while to get through this bag. Oh well, it's better than that crap the Army serves up in the field that tastes like it was strained through OG's dirty socks.:rotflmbao:

old Grump

02-20-2011, 04:40 PM

How is the back coming btcave? Are you ready for running up and down those firetower steps again or did your last experience with them take towers out of your future?

Cats can be trained. I didn't like hair on my counters or on the top of my shelves and refrigerator. I couldn't keep them off the furniture but they were counter trained and that was good enough for me. Only reason I don't have them now is I became allergic to them and cannot tolerate in the house if I want to keep on breathing.

Wondered where my socks went, I have to go barefoot so the Norwegian can have good coffee. The sacrifices some of us make for friends. Would it be to much to suggest buying filters instead of using my socks.

btcave

02-20-2011, 06:05 PM

The back is doing better. I still have some sciatica pain and can't walk more than a half an hour before I need to sit for awhile. Getting better as each week passes. I plan to open Gold Butte Lookout around June. Snow levels determine when I can get to it. I'm giving more time to the restoration projects this summer, now that I'm retiring from the Guard. Sun, saw, hammer, paint and a spectacular view. Good for the soul. I still have that need to be a part of something bigger than me. Now that the military is going to be in my past, the lookouts will fill that role.

I hate the term, "Giving back to the community", but that's what it is.

old Grump

02-21-2011, 01:26 AM

Sounds good to me and the work out will keep your muscles tight helping your back. It's why I walked and walked and walked. The core muscles are the ones that support the back and when I can't walk for whatever reason it knocks the crap out of me and I cant do much of anything. Just remember you aren't 18 anymore and work within the boundaries of common sense. You hurt easier and heal slower after 30, something I should have kept in mind.

Hedning

02-21-2011, 03:26 PM

Feel free to use your old socks as a filter OG. Ill bring some 96% moonshine over. That stuff kills everything from blue whale to Blue River critters.

Hope your back will heal in a hurry BT. Better than my knee anyway. I ruined it in October and it still sounds like an old Winchester.

Its cold again over here. Snow depth is a pain. Im so sick of winter. This one has been looong. Little range time too. I have to use skis back and forth, and I hate cross country skiing. I loved it as a kid, but after a close encounter with a pine doing 40 mph kind of killed the fun. I guess you still can see my face in that pine.

How many days to spring OG?

old Grump

02-21-2011, 05:18 PM

Oh man, that poor pine tree stuck with your face. I bet it blushes in the daytime when the other trees can see it.

27 days, 1 hour, 42 minutes 12 seconds

Hedning

02-21-2011, 08:08 PM

Just found out. They had to cut that pine down. Too pretty compared to the others. Didnt fit in... had to go. Its a shame. But thats how it is to be handsome. You know how it is.....

kathy

02-23-2011, 07:52 PM

27 days, 1 hour, 42 minutes 12 seconds

Whoo Hooo!

It was in the 40s today, I saw a chip monk on a snow hill along the road today having a meal.

The bike will be happy to have me on it again...:laugh:

btcave

02-24-2011, 12:06 AM

It's snowing here. Wonder how much we'll get?

63DH8

02-26-2011, 02:02 PM

It snowed here. It's melting, but it's expected to start again Sunday or Monday.

Thursday night, I discovered there were charges on Liz's checking account that were unauthorized. There was a $250 charge from an online game company in California, a $21 charge from a internet advertising company in Florida, and three charges of $1.13, $1.14, and $1.15 charges from Istanbul, plus overseas charges. I got the Florida charges reversed without any problems. The charges from the on-line gaming company stated they noticed something wasn't right, so they froze the account. The outfit in Istanbul was a bit harder. There was no phone numbers or point of contacts to follow up on. I went to the bank and dealt with it there. By Friday evening, all the charges were reversed. The bank card was froze, and another issued.

Normally, I go through our checking and savings account once a day, rarely less than once a week. This month, I was preoccupied until this week. It's a good thing I caught this before it got out of hand.

old Grump

02-26-2011, 06:29 PM

Good catch, I hate, really hate people that do things like that.

63DH8

02-27-2011, 12:49 AM

I'd like to catch the SOB, and punch him out from under his fez! I don't like the idea of someone stealing from my girl!:swear:

btcave

02-27-2011, 04:01 PM

That is one experience i don't want to have.

It's bad enough I have to put up with the occasional collection calls and notices for the daughter of the couple I bought this house from over 6 years ago. She must be a piece of work.

It's windy here today. Rain is light. I'm ready for spring!

OG, what's the countdown?

old Grump

02-27-2011, 07:15 PM

First day in 4 days it hasn't snowed, temp 30 degrees and it is 21 days 23 hours and 45 minutes to Spring. :happy::encore:

kathy

02-28-2011, 06:50 AM

63D thankfully you caught it.

Snow is finally beginning to melt here a little. It snowed again yesterday but then it warmed into the 50s! I cant wait to see what sort of garden will grow here.

Have a Fantastic Day.:wiggle:

Hedning

03-01-2011, 06:42 PM

Oh my God. Temp is above freezing point. Two days in a row. We are melting....finally. But Im pretty damn sure its just a teaser....

btcave

03-04-2011, 12:22 AM

Starting my last weekend with the Army National Guard tomorrow. Glad to be done, but going to miss the guys. Wish me luck.

old Grump

03-04-2011, 01:34 AM

I know what you mean, I considered nearly everybody in my unit a friend including most of the officers and 30 years later still miss the people and the fun exercises we had to do.

Could be I miss the shooting team the most, free ammo and issue match weapons I could take home to practice with was always nice. Not an end though, just a new chapter you are going into.

btcave

03-04-2011, 07:07 PM

old Grump

03-04-2011, 07:55 PM

Roger that OG. Looking forward to the new chapter.

My wife's mothers side of the family is in Wisconsin just above Madison, in Rio and also Racine. When we eventually make the trip over there, I'll let you know.Well its a 2 hour drive from Rio but you are welcome to come over. I can't match your mountains but I think I can find a target to shoot at and maybe even find a gun and a couple of rounds of ammo. Racine is way down in the south eastern portion of the state, add another hours worth of driving. If you are coming from the West and come through Dubuque, Prairie du Chien or Lacrosse I'd be on your way to Rio or on your way back home. Let me know when. Porch light is always on and the coffee is always hot. Always have room for coffee house members.

Hedning

03-05-2011, 05:06 AM

Bt... just be prepared for some volcano coffee. Its in his sweedish genes. Thats about all that is strong about them swedish genes in general. Poor guy... Lucky he has some norwegian genes to thin out the swedish part....

old Grump

03-05-2011, 09:02 PM

Hedning is just mad because I made him use a wooden spoon to stir in his half gallon of cream and 5 pounds of sugar into that poor little cup of coffee. Whenever he used a metal spoon it would dissolve and I was running out of spoons. Only way to drink it is as nature intended coffee to be drunk. Hot, Black and Strong, kind of like an old girl friend I used to have...should have kept her. Them Norwegians though, they like everything light and sweet. I think it's from to much radiation from the northern lights. The "Nordlys" or the "Guovssahas" if you prefer that to aurora borealis.
:coffee:

Hedning

03-06-2011, 01:31 AM

Strong coffee is ok, but when you have to use a fork and a knife...oh well. Sugar in my coffee huh.... 96% alcohol ok, sugar no. We drink something we call "Karsk" over here. You put a dime in bottom of your cup. Pour in enough coffee to make that go away, and then you add 96% untill you can see it again. Drink and you`ll be ok for the rest of that day.

old Grump

03-06-2011, 03:38 AM

A dime or a ten kroner coin? I wouldn't put an American coin in anything I was going to drink. Of course your karsk would probably be a pretty good disinfectant.

When I used to be a drinking man my coffee drink was Russian or Irish, Vodka or whiskey. Used my coins to pay for the drink. :anim_beer-1:

kathy

03-06-2011, 09:32 AM

Do we drink the coin too? :piggy-bank:

old Grump

03-06-2011, 04:00 PM

Do we drink the coin too? :piggy-bank:
You would if you put it in my coffee and let it sit for a few minutes so be warned when you get here. We have two kinds of coffee here in the hut in the woods. Bobby Coffee to get my engine started and people coffee made after my coffee is gone that the rest of the world can drink.
:laugh:

63DH8

03-06-2011, 04:39 PM

It's been a week of bad luck. It started with a dead battery in my truck. Then it went to Liz losing her glasses. My adopted kid called and said his turn signal stopped working. Turned out to be a bulb. :rolleyes: The site seemed to have caught a virus, that made my laptop computer balk, then not want to go on-line. Windows Defender disappeared, so I shot the damned thing's harddrive. After I bought another harddrive, I realized Office Depot didn't include the operating system and disks that makes the other goodies work that's on the computer. It's up and running now. I'm now using Kaspersky Pure for antivirus.

Liz's checking account is taken care of, and everything paid back. I'm looking into LifeLock to keep this sort of thing from happening again. http://www.lifelock.com

old Grump

03-06-2011, 04:50 PM

Sounds like you need a loaf of bread, hunk of cheese, jug of wine, a bluebird day and a big old shade tree to lay under for a few hours. Here's hoping next week is a lot more boring.

63DH8

03-06-2011, 05:58 PM

Sounds like you need a loaf of bread, hunk of cheese, jug of wine, a bluebird day and a big old shade tree to lay under for a few hours. Here's hoping next week is a lot more boring.

I'll swap the wine for a .22 K-Hornet, and toss in a tree full of squirrels.

btcave

03-07-2011, 12:18 AM

My retirement officially starts on April 1st, but today was my last day serving in uniform. I have unlaced the combat boots for the last time. (except for when I use them for hunting)

63DH8

03-07-2011, 12:28 AM

My retirement officially starts on April 1st, but today was my last day serving in uniform. I have unlaced the combat boots for the last time. (except for when I use them for hunting)

Brian, I noticed many Veterans say serving in the military is a hard to follow; You placed the interest of our Nation above self. It's a hard act to follow! I thought of a way to maybe not so much follow that act, but to continue. Why not get into local politics? Represent your area in your state's capital or represent your state in DC. We need more Veterans running our Government. There's not many other people who understands about putting something greater than self.

btcave

03-07-2011, 10:20 AM

63, I'm a quiet individual. I don't say much. It's off putting to many people. It wouldn't fare well in politics. I'll spend more time working on fire lookout restoration and serving my loving wife. I'm spiritually and emotionally spent fighting for the big things. Got no heart for it. Time to work on the little things.

63DH8

03-07-2011, 01:10 PM

I kinda figured that was your personality. Nothing wrong with it. I'm a fairly private person too. It's one of the reasons I want at least 100 acres out in the middle of no-where. On-line, I'm fairly open and try to be considerate. In person, I'm more comfortable in the military environment where I can simply tell a person what needs to get done, and not worry about stepping on toes. For some reason, civilians don't like being told to do things.

63DH8

03-08-2011, 01:10 PM

http://www.gunsnet.net/photopost/data/500/wantcoffee.jpg

btcave

03-08-2011, 09:41 PM

For some reason, civilians don't like being told to do things.

I work in High Tech on the civilian side. They are a sensitive lot. But of course, it is the Pac NW...

In general of course, not all.

I like the kitty.

Hedning

03-09-2011, 02:45 PM

Weird.... at 3 pm today all of a sudden the sky got dark, started to snow heavily. 5 mins later it started to hail. Well ok... then all hell broke loose. Bad ass thunder, lightning and shit right above our heads. And it was 20F outside. Thats the kind of weather you can expect when you live where Old Grump lives, not eastern Norway.

63DH8

03-09-2011, 07:40 PM

Hedning, you didn't eat the beans Old Grump made for you, did you? :coffee:

old Grump

03-09-2011, 10:48 PM

Just wait till you get here. Not only beans but pickled eggs, yum yum. Was going to shoot today but it snowed so hard I couldn't hardly see the 25 yard target. Had thunder and lightning last night and today I lost my internet for about 4 hours after a power failure.

10 days, 20 hours, 12 minutes and 33 seconds to spring.

btcave

03-09-2011, 11:00 PM

Just rain here today. A lot of it. Tomorrow is Friday and I don't have to work this weekend! I need to get the wife out of the house for some fun, but the rain is a constant this time of year. Maybe storm watching at the coast.

An old friend of me and the ex-wife lives down the road. I haven't seen him and his wife in 12 years. He is turning 40 and I got an invite to the party on Facebook. They are walking distance from the house. Funny how we both moved out into the country and ended up a mile apart on the same dead end road. So Saturday evening I'll go re-acquaint myself with the couple. They are good people, so it should be fun.

Hedning

03-10-2011, 04:32 PM

A party involving someone turning 40 should be a lot of fun.... bring a gps so you can find your way home....

Something completely different... didnt Gunsnet used to have a Blackpowder room? I cant find it..

kathy

03-10-2011, 09:04 PM

Flooding near me was on Fox and Friends this am. The Stevenson Dam, neighbors had basement flooding but so far mine is dry... knock wood.

Whoo Hoo for what is going on in Wisconsin, we need a Gov like Walker here in CT.

Raining here again.. I still have snow hills in my yard. When will it melt?:wow:

old Grump

03-10-2011, 09:50 PM

Snow we got yesterday is melting today. Actually warmer up north than it is down here and soon we will be getting all their melt water. With all the snow we had this winter it had better be a slow melt or its going to be nasty...again. Union and Democrats created this mess now they have to pay the bill. Boo hoo my heart bleeds for them.

kathy

03-11-2011, 07:58 AM

OG hope you are spared from the flooding.

The mess unions and politicians have made will let to our kids and grandkids unless we see to it that its dealt with now. The pressure continues from this freedom loving granny. I plan on keeping their feet directly on the fire until its fixed. :fighting0056:

Its supposed to be warm and not raining here tomorrow, hoping to get out riding. :love4:

63DH8

03-11-2011, 04:51 PM

Last night, Japan got hit by a 8.9 earthquake that created a tidal wave. One of Erika's friends live and work in the area that was hit heavily. Tokyo tower was bent, and a nuclear reactor was damaged and leaking. Over 1100 are missing and dead.

Not to make light of the situation, but this sounds like what happened just before Godzilla attacked!

Hedning

03-11-2011, 05:55 PM

Been on the news all day here. Its really bad. Videos showing how the waves made their way were shocking.... After becoming a father, these things really bites me.

63DH8

03-11-2011, 06:01 PM

here are two in country news streams Erika gave me, if anyone is interested.

http://www.ustream.tv/channel/yokosonews

http://www.ustream.tv/channel/tbstv

kathy

03-11-2011, 09:47 PM

Terrible what happened in Japan, praying for them.

Hedning

03-13-2011, 04:10 PM

Watching the videos from Japan makes me thankfull for living far away from the sea. The New Orleans thing gave me the same feeling. What a God awfull mess.

Norway is still white. Had some heavy snowing this afternoon, but it didnt last long. And I dont care anymore watching the Tsunami. I had to work some today. And I had to go out into no mans land with my GPS. Opening the the hind of my truck and found no snow shoes. 4 feet of snow was so much fun to walk in. Then again I was glad I was just tired and angry. It wasnt dangerous, it wouldnt kill me or mine. Just regular snow, everything normal.

kathy

03-18-2011, 06:26 AM

Im a little close to the shore, no danger of tsunami here though. The people in Japan are amazing, they are strong and good to each other from the reports.

Hopefully your snow is melting. I have crocus sprouting.

My campaign manager is moving to FLA today, shes going to the Villages. A great retirement community. I will miss her, we became good friends in the past year.

:coffee:

old Grump

03-18-2011, 03:45 PM

Couple of 60 degree days in a row so most of the snow is gone. I'm just happy to see some green in the grass. Shot some revolvers and shotguns yesterday and I still have to climb over a pole of snow and ice to get to the 25 yard target stand. My hands are so shakey after being down and inactive this winter that all my groups were bad except the 45 BP and the 44 mag, I can't figure that one out. Did okay with the shotguns but my shoulder is really talking to me and my hands are all cramped up today. Partly guns but mostly from stapler. I got a lot of conditioning to do before I can do any yard work, I have a ton of old brush to clean up.

I hope you haven't given up on politics, I'm going to plant your campaign sign as soon as the ground thaws. I have 6" of mud and 24" of ice.