Obama was born in africa!

[ltorlo64]

I just saw it on the cover of the "Globe" in the supermarket, so it must be true.

All kidding aside, the supermarket rags seem to be the only ones willing to report things that the MSM thinks are taboo. Not that I really think this will go anywhere, but it was sort of funny to see it on the cover, complete with a copy of the Kenyan birth certificate.

[mriddick]

http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/obamabirth.php

That is the biggest argument against the birthers...

[Zoff12]

It still looks good even if it is the Globe...
http://www.globemagazine.com/media/originals/201031.jpg

[ltorlo64]

To be perfectly honest, I think that he was born here. The conspiracy necessary to keep something like this hidden is to big to consider. I do wonder why he is so intent on keeping his birth certificate and his college records out of the public view. I had to show birth certificate to get my security clearance and and I fully expect to show my college transcript when I get my next job. I don't understand his reluctance to do the same thing for us.

[l921428x]

Really? They have just figured out that a communist/socialist/ president could not tbe born in America. Where are ANY of the docs for this man? No one knows or remembers him from anywhere!!

[l921428x]

To be perfectly honest, I think that he was born here. The conspiracy necessary to keep something like this hidden is to big to consider. I do wonder why he is so intent on keeping his birth certificate and his college records out of the public view. I had to show birth certificate to get my security clearance and and I fully expect to show my college transcript when I get my next job. I don't understand his reluctance to do the same thing for us.

You did but the POTUS does not have too.

[Zoff12]

I do wonder why he is so intent on keeping his birth certificate and his college records out of the public view. I had to show birth certificate to get my security clearance and and I fully expect to show my college transcript when I get my next job. I don't understand his reluctance to do the same thing for us.
That's why I DO believe he was not born a U.S. citizen. If he was legal, all he would have to do is show the birth certificate and the controversy is over... end of story. Until then... he is an illegal and a usurper.

[mriddick]

I've come to the conclusion the dems are keeping this issue around just to bring out the nuts and make all on the right look bad. They are purposely keeping the Presidents birth ambiguous to lead the birthers on...

[ksuguy]

Well it was the National Enquirer that broke the John Edwards story when the rest of the media was ignoring it. As for the Obama issue, he could clear this up pretty easily by just showing the stupid documentation. The fact that he won't does a lot more to stir up controversy than any of the wacky allegations put forward by the birther crowd.

[Krupski]

http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/obamabirth.php

That is the biggest argument against the birthers...

It still amazes me that a college student has to PROVE his US citizenship to get a summer job at the donut shop, but the PRESIDENT of the UNITED STATES... arguably the most important and most powerful job on the planet, does not.

Want me to prove I'm a US citizen? Give me a few hours and I'll get my faded 1957 Certificate of Live Birth out of the safety deposit box.

Why won't Obama do the same and put the matter to rest once and for all?

Answer: Because he CAN'T.

[mriddick]

It still amazes me that a college student has to PROVE his US citizenship to get a summer job at the donut shop, but the PRESIDENT of the UNITED STATES... arguably the most important and most powerful job on the planet, does not.

Want me to prove I'm a US citizen? Give me a few hours and I'll get my faded 1957 Certificate of Live Birth out of the safety deposit box.

Why won't Obama do the same and put the matter to rest once and for all?

Answer: Because he CAN'T.

Or he won't... Just explain away the Hawaiian birth announcements and your case would make much more sense. As for why he wouldn't...well I think you and the rest of the birthers are being played, it's just that simple you are playing the role of the nut used to discredit everything anti Obama...

[Krupski]

Or he won't... Just explain away the Hawaiian birth announcements and your case would make much more sense. As for why he wouldn't...well I think you and the rest of the birthers are being played, it's just that simple you are playing the role of the nut used to discredit everything anti Obama...

Well, assigning goofy names to groups (like "truthers", or, slurred... "troofers" and "birthers") goes a long way to discrediting people who have a very simple and honest question: Where was Obongo born?

And, as American citizens, I believe that we ALL have "legal standing" to ask that question.

Here... us peons take the law relatively seriously (I mean... come on people are actually concerned about 922(r)!). But, the government has finally realized that they can say or do or lie about anything... there's not even a reason to hide it... and WHAT CAN ANYONE DO?

Obama could stand in front of the White House, moon the press and declare flat out that he's a foreigner illegally occupying the seat of POTUS and what could anyone do about it?

Is a DC cop going to march up there and arrest him?

Will any judge crucify himself, his career and his family by declaring Obongo "guilty" (or even hearing the case at all)?

This shit will never end until, slowly but surely America sinks as low as it can sink. If and when the people get to the point that they have nothing to lose, that will be when something gets done.

But, by then it will be too late.

We're screwed.

[mriddick]

As far as I know he's met all legal obligations to show he's able to be President, you do understand Constitutionally he doens't have to show individual citizens jack...and I think he's using that against you. While everything you posted rings true for a segment of the population you have not answered my question regarding how do you explain away the birth announcements.

Can you really believe a young mixed race couple can really plan 47 years ahead to pull this stunt successfully (and if they were such good planners why not just have the kid in Hawaii?). Yet you refuse to believe the Democratic part machine could plan 10 months in advance to "give" this group an issue that could be used to discredit the entire conservative movement from here on out...

[Krupski]

Well of course... obviously his parents didn't concoct some scheme the day he was born.

Now... the Democrats cleverly using this as a scheme to discredit "real Americans"... is much more within the realm of possibility... but frankly I don't think they're smart enough to come up with it and execute the plan.

I think it's just a set of circumstances that randomly came together for the benefit of the Democrats.

But that doesn't change my belief that Obama is not legally eligible to BE the POTUS.

Why don't I believe it? Simply because he goes out of his way... WAY out of his way to avoid answering the charges.

If he glared at everyone and said "fuck you I am an American and I don't have to prove a damn thing" maybe I could believe that.

But, when he creeps and hides in the shadows and spends millions to hide "it", I have to wonder why?

If you caught a little kid doing something and they jumped and put their hands behind their backs and said "I'm not doing anything", wouldn't you be a bit suspicious?

[mriddick]

OK one more time and try to answer this...How do you explain the birth announcements.

[RJ Shooter]

Every "birther" posting here is the EXACT reason he hasn't provided anything. He marginalizes the "right" every time one of you open your mouths!!! If any of you had something that could make those you hate look stupid, wouldn't you continue to use it to your advantage? Well, he's using your stupidity against you. If he shows it, you shut up! He doesn't want you to shut up! Seriously!!!!

The goons at MSNBC LOOOOOVE you guys!!!! And why wouldn't they?

If you were correct, don't you think the leaders of the Republican Party would be screaming every day for the proof? He isn't speaking, because YOU ARE! Conspiracy theorists are the greatest tool in the Democratic arsenal. The fact that you're still blathering on about it, well, feeds them even more!

It's simple logic, of which is lost on many of you.

[JTHunter]

There was a story recently on "mainstream" media (I think it was CNN!) reporting about how much his legal team (over $2 MIL) to block repeated requests for grade, secondary (high) school, as well as various college transcripts, in addition to the ever-elusive birth certificate. Why? It is already a matter of public record that he applied for AND GOT "foreign student aid" as an undergrad. It is also reported (I don't know how accurately) that he went to a certain country (Pakistan-?) when Americans were barred from going there in the early 1980's. The only way he could have gone was with a British or Indonesian passport. There are simply too many secrets, too many missing pieces, too many unresolved questions, for this man to be on the "up and up".

[RJ Shooter]

Nobody said he was on the Up & Up! :p

I think he's a moron, a terrible leader, a socialist, and has a God complex. All that aside, I firmly believe he was born in Hawaii... ;)

[justinsaneok]

It still amazes me that a college student has to PROVE his US citizenship to get a summer job at the donut shop, but the PRESIDENT of the UNITED STATES... arguably the most important and most powerful job on the planet, does not.

Want me to prove I'm a US citizen? Give me a few hours and I'll get my faded 1957 Certificate of Live Birth out of the safety deposit box.

Why won't Obama do the same and put the matter to rest once and for all?

Answer: Because he CAN'T.

Right . Thats why I get so pissed when I see everyone arguing about stupid opinions that are different than are own when the guy next to you that doesn't agree you or you with him is getting screwed over just the same. Thats something we all should agree on right? As we bicker back and forth new laws and house resolutions that strip us and are families of freedom and self reliance. Growing are debt through the roof and making the dollar worthless. Controlling every aspect of are lives one small step at a time while we watch the world series, the super bowl, and stanley cup. O ya and talking shit to people we should be marching next to to figure out things like was Obamas years at cambridge real spent being groomed for a spot in the white house by the cia being trained to speak and deceive us. Why no yearbook pics ? He's a fucking ghost. Whats that? He can talk all that shit and never skip a beat but fucks up the oath to defend the constitution, doesn't put his hand on his heart during are nations anthem .WTF Lies about bringing are troops back ,even sends more. All the while not doing shit about ARE borders, but why do that when he wants drugs here ,right? Thats why he stopped russia from killing all the poppy plants in taliban land. Because it might piss them off and cause unrest. Ha what a joke. Why do we have are tax payers going to the border to patrol when we have paid tax for the service. Where's the money going. O ya, He wants illegals here and what they have more rights than you or I and fuck it give them heath care too. Sure they can have mine shit they had to cross a river to get here. Shit that water was like 6 " deep. That is way harder than pouring concrete and having ss and taxes raping my check for 30% for 15 years. I guess it would be no big deal if they didnt pay anyway, they have no ss # or credit report to worry about like you and I. When I went for level 3 clearance I had to disclose my sealed juvie record. WTF my commander and chief needs to be perfect with out a doubt, and be able to prove it. This whole election was a scam and used votes of raciest who never voted before or never followed politics ever before who just thought it would prove the country wasn"t raciest. i AM NOT RACIEST AND DO NOT CARE HE'S BLACK, WELL HALF BLACK. FUNNY HE SAYS HE'S BLACK AND NOT MULTI CULTURAL LIKE GOLFS PRO TIGER WOODS. COULD IT BE MORE CONV. MIGHT BRING A BUNCH OF YOUNG FIRST TIME VOTERS TO THE TABLE. I AM NOT A RACIST AND WILL NOT FALL FOR THE DIVIDE AND CONCUR METHOD USED TO DIVIDE US INTO GROUPS. SO THAT WE FIGHT WITH EACH OTHER AND WE'RE TO BUSY TO SEE THE FUCKING WE ENDURING. deep breath For my freedom I would fight with a citizen any free AMERICAN citizen. Bullshit aside because it's time to put it aside we are in trying times my friends lets stop bickering with each other and use this site to keep the right to have it. I believe in free speech but some times it is a waste of time to share things that will turn us on one another and focus on the tasks at hand and rough road ahead it will take to keep and get are freedom back. WE were screwed either way Mccaine is a douch too shortly in to obamas term came up with a bill to tap phones and kidnap anyone with no charges or rights and not even letting your family know your whereabouts for any amount of time and the only way to get released is 2/3 senates vote who don't even know your gone! They're using the term "homeland terrorist."and your no longer have the bill of rights al it all just vanishes, two words strip you of all your rights and get you tortured for ever if they want. but ya obama is a jack ass if he really was born in Hawi he should make everyone the jackasses he is claiming they are. And just hit the easy button. But really how many people would really care? ME and who?

[justinsaneok]

Right . Thats why I get so pissed when I see everyone arguing about stupid opinions that are different than are own when the guy next to you that doesn't agree you or you with him is getting screwed over just the same. Thats something we all should agree on right? As we bicker back and forth new laws and house resolutions that strip us and are families of freedom and self reliance. Growing are debt through the roof and making the dollar worthless. Controlling every aspect of are lives one small step at a time while we watch the world series, the super bowl, and stanley cup. O ya and talking shit to people we should be marching next to to figure out things like was Obamas years at cambridge real spent being groomed for a spot in the white house by the cia being trained to speak and deceive us. Why no yearbook pics ? He's a fucking ghost. Whats that? He can talk all that shit and never skip a beat but fucks up the oath to defend the constitution, doesn't put his hand on his heart during are nations anthem .WTF Lies about bringing are troops back ,even sends more. All the while not doing shit about ARE borders, but why do that when he wants drugs here ,right? Thats why he stopped russia from killing all the poppy plants in taliban land. Because it might piss them off and cause unrest. Ha what a joke. Why do we have are tax payers going to the border to patrol when we have paid tax for the service. Where's the money going. O ya, He wants illegals here and what they have more rights than you or I and fuck it give them heath care too. Sure they can have mine shit they had to cross a river to get here. Shit that water was like 6 " deep. That is way harder than pouring concrete and having ss and taxes raping my check for 30% for 15 years. I guess it would be no big deal if they didnt pay anyway, they have no ss # or credit report to worry about like you and I. When I went for level 3 clearance I had to disclose my sealed juvie record. WTF my commander and chief needs to be perfect with out a doubt, and be able to prove it. This whole election was a scam and used votes of raciest who never voted before or never followed politics ever before who just thought it would prove the country wasn"t raciest. i AM NOT RACIEST AND DO NOT CARE HE'S BLACK, WELL HALF BLACK. FUNNY HE SAYS HE'S BLACK AND NOT MULTI CULTURAL LIKE GOLFS PRO TIGER WOODS. COULD IT BE MORE CONV. MIGHT BRING A BUNCH OF YOUNG FIRST TIME VOTERS TO THE TABLE. I AM NOT A RACIST AND WILL NOT FALL FOR THE DIVIDE AND CONCUR METHOD USED TO DIVIDE US INTO GROUPS. SO THAT WE FIGHT WITH EACH OTHER AND WE'RE TO BUSY TO SEE THE FUCKING WE ENDURING. deep breath For my freedom I would fight with a citizen any free AMERICAN citizen. Bullshit aside because it's time to put it aside we are in trying times my friends lets stop bickering with each other and use this site to keep the right to have it. I believe in free speech but some times it is a waste of time to share things that will turn us on one another and focus on the tasks at hand and rough road ahead it will take to keep and get are freedom back. WE were screwed either way Mccaine is a douch too shortly in to obamas term came up with a bill to tap phones and kidnap anyone with no charges or rights and not even letting your family know your whereabouts for any amount of time and the only way to get released is 2/3 senates vote who don't even know your gone! They're using the term "homeland terrorist."and your no longer have the bill of rights al it all just vanishes, two words strip you of all your rights and get you tortured for ever if they want. but ya obama is a jack ass if he really was born in Hawi he should make everyone the jackasses he is claiming they are. And just hit the easy button. But really how many people would really care? ME and who?

And If he is American he is loving all the CRAZIES talking about it

[Kadmos]

I've come to the conclusion the dems are keeping this issue around just to bring out the nuts and make all on the right look bad. They are purposely keeping the Presidents birth ambiguous to lead the birthers on...

This exactly.

Plus he already provided a birth certificate and that didn't stop the debate.

The legal aspect is a no-brainer, always cheaper and better to get the case kicked out if at all possible. $2 million to get a few cases kicked out is a hell of a lot cheaper than easily $10-30 million to actually try them.

And as I have said before he can't just hand over a BC to the court, as soon as he does he is admitting there is an issue, it becomes evidence and then the trial starts. Then the plantiff starts getting experts to say it is fake and Obama has to start getting experts to say its real. All his friends and family end up having to give depositions about damn near everthing, most of which will have nothing to do with the case.

Any lawyer who would walk in there without first trying to get it tossed out should be disbarred.

[justinsaneok]

I guess It's just me:funny-post::conf44:

[HDR]

http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/obamabirth.php

That is the biggest argument against the birthers...

That was not an argument; that was the Left's defense.

From your link:

The election is less than a week away. Stay focused. Stay on target. The economy is nearly dead from 8 years of GOP leadership and pointless wars. Don;t get suckered into another 4 years of the same by a little mud-slinging.

The ignore it and vote for socialism defense.

[mriddick]

That was not an argument; that was the Left's defense.

From your link:


The ignore it and vote for socialism defense.

The announcements exists you can call anything you want but they do exists as far as I know (turned up in various places). The thing is it's just too tough to logically explain them away.

If they were put in there by Obama's parents then it shows a level of foresight and planning no one can possibly believe in.
If they are real then they alone just about proves Obama's Hawaiian birth or atleast offers all the proof of citizenship the average citizen has got for every President before this time.

If anyone wants to answer the question I've been asking please have at it...
OK one more time and try to answer this...How do you explain the birth announcements.

[NAPOTS]

Define "born".

[matshock]

The announcements exists you can call anything you want but they do exists as far as I know (turned up in various places). The thing is it's just too tough to logically explain them away.

If they were put in there by Obama's parents then it shows a level of foresight and planning no one can possibly believe in.
If they are real then they alone just about proves Obama's Hawaiian birth or atleast offers all the proof of citizenship the average citizen has got for every President before this time.

If anyone wants to answer the question I've been asking please have at it...

Easy- the idea wasn't for little Barry to to president someday, the idea was to pass Barry off as a US Citizen, period.

Why would they want to go through all the hassle of raising an illegal immigrant?

That said, was he ever adopted by his Grandparents? Would that meet the requirements for citizenship?

If not, he's probably here illegally. But don't take my word for it- take Hilary's word for it next year.

[mriddick]

Easy- the idea wasn't for little Barry to to president someday, the idea was to pass Barry off as a US Citizen, period.

Why would they want to go through all the hassle of raising an illegal immigrant?

That said, was he ever adopted by his Grandparents? Would that meet the requirements for citizenship?

If not, he's probably here illegally. But don't take my word for it- take Hilary's word for it next year.

If a woman US citizen has a baby anywhere in the world her offspring is a US citizen. There is no need to worry about citizenship issues, unless you are specifically worried about your son growing up and having to field questions over constitutional issues concerning him becoming President (the only reason "place of birth" questions might come up I'm aware of)... Again the amount of foresight and planning this would require seems beyond his mother 47 years before he was to become President.

[matshock]

If a woman US citizen has a baby anywhere in the world her offspring is a US citizen. There is no need to worry about citizenship issues, unless you are specifically worried about your son growing up and having to field questions over constitutional issues concerning him becoming President (the only reason "place of birth" questions might come up I'm aware of)... Again the amount of foresight and planning this would require seems beyond his mother 47 years before he was to become President.

Not that simple Chief:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_nationality_law#Through_birth_abroad _to_one_United_States_citizen

Specifically:


Through birth abroad to one United States citizen

A person born on or after November 14, 1986, is a U.S. citizen if all of the following are true:[7]

1. One of the person's parents was a U.S. citizen when the person in question was born
2. The citizen parent lived at least five years in the United States before the child's birth
3. A minimum of two of these five years in the United States were after the citizen parent's 14th birthday.

INA 301(g) makes additional provisions to satisfy the physical-presence requirements for periods citizens spent abroad in “honorable service in the Armed Forces of the United States, or periods of employment with the United States Government or with an international organization”. Additionally citizens who spent time living abroad as the “dependent unmarried son or daughter and a member of the household of a person” in any of the previously mentioned organizations can also be counted.

A person's record of birth abroad, if registered with a U.S. consulate or embassy, is proof of citizenship. Such a person may also apply for a passport or a Certificate of Citizenship to have a record of citizenship. Such documentation is often useful to prove citizenship in lieu of the availability of an American birth certificate.

Different rules apply for persons born abroad to one U.S. citizen before November 14, 1986. United States law on this subject changed multiple times throughout the twentieth century, and the law is applicable as it existed at the time of the individual's birth.

For persons born between December 24, 1952 and November 14, 1986, a person is a U.S. citizen if all of the following are true [7]:

1. One of the person's parents was a U.S. citizen when the person in question was born
2. The citizen parent lived at least ten years in the United States before the child's birth;
3. A minimum of 5 of these 10 years in the United States were after the citizen parent's 14th birthday.

[smittylite]

C'mon, we all know Obama was born in Vancouver. He's a Canuck. :dedhorse:

[cciota]

Here's a copy his certificate for all you naysayers:

97

[ATAK, Inc.]

Here's a copy his certificate for all you naysayers:

97


Good enough for me! :lool:

[RJ Shooter]

ROTFLMAO!!!!! :lmao3:
Here's a copy his certificate for all you naysayers:

97

[mriddick]

Not that simple Chief:

No US citizen would of had a reasonable expectation of major issues getting their child citizenship regardless of where it was born. To say Barry would of been an illegal and would of had a tough becoming a US citizen is silly, that is unless you are worried about him some day becoming President which is about the only reason place of birth has ever mattered... Again you're taking what happened in 2008 and then building a master plan put into effect in 1960 to make it work, hardly something his mother seemed capable of doing in 1960.

Besides the announcements do not equate a birth certificate, that is a whole other conspiracy involving doctors, the hospital and the gov't of Hawaii in 1960. Actually if you think about if you were to fake a US birth to qualify your son to be US President 47 years later would you even announce it? Wouldn't that just draw attention to the fact that you're doing something easily provable to be fake? Seems like a mixed race couple would stand out enough let alone tell all their supposed neighbors they just had a kid when these very same neighbors would have known they weren't living there.

Again just how much planning and power would this mother have to pull all this off? She'd have to have friends in various gov't agencies and positions, be able to fake newspaper stories, convince hospitals and doctors to forge documents, fool neighbors into thinking they are in the country, and then be able to plan 47 years in advance the election of the first mixed race President in the history of America... Sort of boggles the mind doesn't it? :)

[matshock]

No US citizen would of had a reasonable expectation of major issues getting their child citizenship regardless of where it was born. To say Barry would of been an illegal and would of had a tough becoming a US citizen is silly, that is unless you are worried about him some day becoming President which is about the only reason place of birth has ever mattered... Again you're taking what happened in 2008 and then building a master plan put into effect in 1960 to make it work, hardly something his mother seemed capable of doing in 1960.

Besides the announcements do not equate a birth certificate, that is a whole other conspiracy involving doctors, the hospital and the gov't of Hawaii in 1960. Actually if you think about if you were to fake a US birth to qualify your son to be US President 47 years later would you even announce it? Wouldn't that just draw attention to the fact that you're doing something easily provable to be fake? Seems like a mixed race couple would stand out enough let alone tell all their supposed neighbors they just had a kid when these very same neighbors would have known they weren't living there.

Again just how much planning and power would this mother have to pull all this off? She'd have to have friends in various gov't agencies and positions, be able to fake newspaper stories, convince hospitals and doctors to forge documents, fool neighbors into thinking they are in the country, and then be able to plan 47 years in advance the election of the first mixed race President in the history of America... Sort of boggles the mind doesn't it? :)

No Sir, real simple:

Mom runs off to Africa to be the concubine of a rich African

He dumps her after she gives birth in Africa

She runs back to Hawaii

Mom and dad look up the law because people actually cared about such things at that time.

Uh, oh we better act like young Barry was born here!

Flash forward to 2008:

The DEMOOCRATIC PARTY, who controlls Hawaii has a few key people in Hawaii issue a fake electronic BC to cover up the mess they didn't even know exsisted until Barry was nominated and the issue was brought to their attention.

THAT is not hard to believe.

No conspiracies except for the Democratic Party covering up their fuck up.

Mixed race couples strange in Hawaii? Not really. Not even in the 50's. Single moms pretty common too.

[mriddick]

That’s a whole lot of stuff for a woman who just had a kid to arrange in 9 days....Still though, why announce the crime in the first place? That's the part you’re not answering?

You're saying she was asking doctors, the hospital and various gov't officials/agencies to put their careers on the line all for some white girl with a mixed race kid to get an illegal birth certificate. Then you're saying she went and risked everything when she announced it to the world? Surly she would have expected some of her neighbors to read the paper, the same neighbors who would have known she wasn't there Oct 4th, that she really hadn’t had a baby in Hawaii after all?

And if somehow it was announced without her OK surly one of these neighbors would of still noticed it and started asking questions, I truly doubt something like this would have been willingly swept under the rug by all such a story would require to keep quiet.

Lets face it white girls having mixed race kids are not exactly what we think of when we think of the powerful and privileged in America 2010, I’m sure this was the case in 1961. I'm not saying that didn't happen in 1961, I'm just saying in an upper class Hawaiian neighbor it probably would of stood more then some other places, it's something I'm sure neighbors would of noticed. Somehow I don’t think you could get that many people to risk careers over one kid, let alone keep the whole neighborhood quiet even in 1960’s Hawaii…

It’s the announcement of his birth in various Hawaiian newspapers that doesn’t easily fit any story for a born in Africa birth. Citizenship wouldn’t have been a major hurdle. Atleast for everything except maybe being President, but then that begs how could she of known he’d needed that in 2008?

[matshock]

Grandparents arranged for the announcement to lend weight to any future claims he's a US citizen. Or they just made the announcement to the commnity to let it know that they were accepting Barry into the Sorento family. You don't have to do anything for that except call the newspapers.

Like I said, the only conspiracy is that the Democrats covered up the fact he's probably not a bona-fide US citizen in 2008. There was no "BC" until 2008 That's easy- I bet the Democratic Party holds much influence over appointed bereucrats in Hawaii. If they ditched Barry because of a technicality they would have lost what is likely their last shot at the presidency and liberal revolution. They would have been as ruthless as possible in holding on to that election.

As for all the witnesses-I have yet to see the testimony of any Doctor or Nurse that Barry was delivered by them. Only that they don't disagree with the electronic BC. My Grandfather delivered half the population of Wichita, KS between the years of ~1960-1975. If you had showed him a printed piece of paper that was a "BC" with his name printed on it and asked him if it was real he probably would have said "50/50, sure why not?".

[mriddick]

See that's the catch, you're asking for alot of people to comit a crime covering up the birth, then your also saying they'd risk it all by announcing it... Either the grandparents pulled strings to get this done (and must of known of the implications) or it was all up to the daughter to get it done in abuot a week after having a kid and flying back from Africa. One doesn't fit the MO of a well thought out plan, the other is silly to suggest.


I know of kids born in that time period passed off as other people's kids, daughters having kids only for the mother to raise it as her's, etc... But all these stories have one thing in common not few if any of them announced it to the world for all to see, they were normally kept quiet, swept under the rug as they use to say.

There would of been no issue getting Barry's citizenship even had he been born in Africa, even if his grandparents were half as powerful as needed for your scenaro they could of easily got that done. Yet you want to believe they knew something to make sure he was born on US soil. Now why would it matter if he had citizenship or born on US soil citizenship? Why pull all those strings and risk comitting a whole host of crimes when a lawyer and 5 minutes filling out forms would of done just to add the born on US soil? Again it just doesnt make sense, what does make sense is people like you are being played...

[DenaliPark]

http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/obamabirth.php

That is the biggest argument against the birthers...

Yeah, its ridiculus, geez, wasn't it the National Enquirer that outed manbearpig as being accused of sexual assault? Didn't they win a pulitzer for nailing John Edwards ass to the wall? The worm has definitely turned.

[matshock]

All I said his grandparents did was call the paper to make an annoucement...that takes power?

Barry could have been a month old before they decided to make the announcement in the paper.

[matshock]

EDIT: What I'm trying to get across here (and failling, apparently) is that:

1. The grandparents could have just recieved Barry into their home, either not knowing he wasn't a citzen or knowing and not caring.

2. They made an announcement in the paper for some reason- independantly of Doctors, etc: no conspiracy needed

3. Barry lead his whole charmed life either not knowing or not caring he wasn't a citizen.

4. The Democratic Party found out he wasn't a citizen in 2008 and faked a BC to cover it up- the only conspiracy I'm confident actually happened.

5. Witnesses: they either honestly won't remeber whether or not Barry was born in Hawaii or yeah, maybe a few were intimidated into shutting up- which is not a big stretch either when we're talking about a presidential election.

[HDR]

If you believe being stuck with 0bama is bad; just wait until you're stuck paying off his tab.

[ltorlo64]

I have read through all the posts and there are some interesting arguments being made, for and against. What all but one of you is missing is that the "Globe" is not a conservative source or a birther source by any stretch of the imagination. For them to pick up this story moves it from being defined as a conservative fringe concern that does not need to be bothered with. Given that the "Globe" also has articles on flying saucers and Elvis sightings, I am not sure what that really means, but it is a definate change in the landscape.

[Kadmos]

Given that the "Globe" also has articles on flying saucers and Elvis sightings, I am not sure what that really means, but it is a definate change in the landscape.

That people who believe anything written in it are nutjobs.

And thus by extension conservatives are nutjobs for making the same argument.

I wouln't take it as a compliment.

And yes I know there is no real connection, but the basic inference stands.

[ltorlo64]

That people who believe anything written in it are nutjobs.

And thus by extension conservatives are nutjobs for making the same argument.

I wouln't take it as a compliment.

And yes I know there is no real connection, but the basic inference stands.

You are probably more right on this than I would like to think.

[Krupski]

This exactly.

Plus he already provided a birth certificate and that didn't stop the debate.



Did they have laser printers in 1958 or whenever he was born?

I can print you up a nice birth certificate... in color too. What name do you want? Doctor's name? Parent's names? Circumcised? (no don't answer that one!). Want it to look official? No problem. Give me 10 minutes with Photoshop.

[mriddick]

The birth certificate is a whole 'nother story, you have yet to explain the announcements.. :)

[RJ Shooter]

Did they have laser printers in 1958 or whenever he was born?

I can print you up a nice birth certificate... in color too. What name do you want? Doctor's name? Parent's names? Circumcised? (no don't answer that one!). Want it to look official? No problem. Give me 10 minutes with Photoshop.Can you create microfiche from home too?

[matshock]

The birth certificate is a whole 'nother story, you have yet to explain the announcements.. :)

Who makes the announcement? The doctor? The hospital? Or can you just pay to put one in like a classified ad?

[RJ Shooter]

Some of you guys are giving waaaaaaaaaaaaay too much credit to Barry's ignorant parents and grandparents... Amazing what lengths conspiracy theorists will go.

[matshock]

http://www.reviewjournal.com/celebrations/faq.jsp

[matshock]

Some of you guys are giving waaaaaaaaaaaaay too much credit to Barry's ignorant parents and grandparents... Amazing what lengths conspiracy theorists will go.

No, my argument is that the only thing required from Obama's family is silence. There might not have even been an attempt to decieve back in the 50's- they may not have even known or cared his birth was an issue then. The cover-up happened in 2008, exclusively.

[RJ Shooter]

No, my argument is that the only thing required from Obama's family is silence. There might not have even been an attempt to decieve back in the 50's- they may not have even known or cared his birth was an issue then. The cover-up happened in 2008, exclusively.What was covered up? This is my point! They couldn't have been smart enough to know he was the messiah, and have the insightful foreknowledge to create this whole turn of events. Did the government create false microfiche of these newspaper announcements, just so they could have a complete and total moron as their commander in chief, causing a complete collapse of the Democratic party a mere two years later?

Again, to make this more than it is, is simply making birthers look completely moronic! I was an investigator for 11 years, things just add up too well on this...

But I'm tired of this rhetorical argument where nobody will concede, so... I'm outty. :)

[mriddick]

Who makes the announcement? The doctor? The hospital? Or can you just pay to put one in like a classified ad?

That would be the question if you were involved in faking his Hawaiian birth why announce it all? You have the mother, grand parents, doctor, hospital and various gov't agencies all working together committing a crime of faking his birth on Hawaiian soil, so which one do you think would take the extra risk of announcing his birth in not 1 but 2 Hawaiian newpapers?


What was covered up? This is my point! They couldn't have been smart enough to know he was the messiah, and have the insightful foreknowledge to create this whole turn of events. Did the government create false microfiche of these newspaper announcements, just so they could have a complete and total moron as their commander in chief, causing a complete collapse of the Democratic party a mere two years later?

Again, to make this more than it is, is simply making birthers look completely moronic! I was an investigator for 11 years, things just add up too well on this...

But I'm tired of this rhetorical argument where nobody will concede, so... I'm outty. :)

True, it's a master plan when they need it to be, it's luck if that works better in another post, heck you can mix and match luck and master plan if that's needed...

[matshock]

That would be the question if you were involved in faking his Hawaiian birth why announce it all? You have the mother, grand parents, doctor, hospital and various gov't agencies all working together committing a crime of faking his birth on Hawaiian soil, so which one do you think would take the extra risk of announcing his birth in not 1 but 2 Hawaiian newpapers?

Ok, separate the issues: the announcements are nothing. They don't even say where he was born just that he was and that the "Obamas" have an address in Hawaii. The Sorentos could have put that in the paper for fun after the "Obamas" arrived back from Africa. It could have been completely innocent. But the annoucements PROVE NOTHING.

As for the witnesses, no one even cared about the problem until Obama had the nomination. So, of the (very likely few) people who are still alive who directly witnessed anything about his origin/arrival in Hawaii could easily be silenced, bribed or maybe they're just to old/tired to remeber or give a damn.

Last time- there is no need for a conspiracy to have happened around the time of his birth. The decay of time coupled with simple cover-up in 2008 would be enough.

EDIT: Yes, I did allude to a simpler lie being possible in the 50's but you got me thinking about it some more and it's not even necessary for a cover-up to have happened in the 50's at all. The whole thing could have been put together in 2008 as a revisionist exercise.

[RJ Shooter]

The Sorentos could have put that in the paper for fun after the "Obamas" arrived back from Africa.I could have eaten a pickle and crapped out a White Castle too... What's your point? Nothing you're saying is factual. It's all an assumption on your part. Just because you want to create the scenario, doesn't make it so! In a court of law, the Judge would have thrown your case out immediately... SERIOUSLY!

And to prove how ignorant to any facts you are, Barry was born in 1961, not the 50s! ;)

But we can make that another conspiracy theory if you want. He was really born in the 50s!!!!! You have about as much evidence of that fact, as this one... ROTFLMAO!!!

Now I'm really outty! LOL!!!

[Kadmos]

Did they have laser printers in 1958 or whenever he was born?

I can print you up a nice birth certificate... in color too. What name do you want? Doctor's name? Parent's names? Circumcised? (no don't answer that one!). Want it to look official? No problem. Give me 10 minutes with Photoshop.

And this is why it becomes meaningless. People are saying "show the certificate", and then people are saying the one he did show was fake. That's why he can't just walk into court and hand one in. It's evidence, but it's still not "proof". And for some people there can be no proof, because they simply don't want to believe he was born in the US under any circumstances.

It doesn't matter that that the govoner of Hawaii has seen it and says its real, it doesn't matter what expert says what. What it does do is make the people who are saying it look hateful, petty, nutty, etc and setting them up to be called racist and every other such thing while comparing them to people who belive Elvis lives.

Lets face it, even if he was born in Africa, so what? By good records the gaps where she could possibly have been out of the country are tiny. Who would think those couple of weeks after birth would actually effect his life in such a profound way that he would have an allegience to Kenya rather than oh lets say the country where he happens to be president?

A Kansas woman visits Africa and the kid pops out there, she comes home a few weeks later and you think the kid is African? Thats ridiclous.

The whole point of those laws is so a person does not go to another country, marry one of thier citizens, live there for 20 years while pumping out a few kids there, and then try to come back with a gaggle of kids and try to put them all on medicade. And it's so we don't have adults coming in who weren't born here, lived thier whole life somewhere else and now want to retire here.

[HDR]

If I was Ba-roke I'd show it just to shut people up.

Just think a photo op and ba-roke smiling at the cameras looking so impressed with himself saying take this birth certificate and shove it. No true narcissist would miss that priceless moment..

My other reason would be last time I heard ba-roke has spent $800K in legal fees on this and when I heard that was quite some while ago. As it is still going on, knowing lawyers the $800 has multiplied.. At first I thought that was proof positive. However with Ba-roke's deficit spending all it proves is he is as irresponsible with his own money as he is ours.

Kadmos, what does matter is all this childishness to avoid showing his birth certificate, not his certificate of live birth. What the heck is the big secret, sealed records and all the rest about?
Nah, it is way too simple to totally chop your nay-sayers at the knees, make them the laughing stock of the nation and have one success however irrelevant it is....

To see this total failure out of office, well to be honest anything will do.

[Kadmos]

HDR, it's good you aren't in politics.

Such a photo of Obama would prove nothing. All it would do is make him look like a petty schmuck. Those who don't want to believe it would still say its a fake, and they would play right into his hands.

Seriously, you think he's going to stand up and hold his BC up for the camera in some kind of "Dewey defeats Truman" moment? It doesn't have that impact. Those who don't want to believe would still scream that its fake, and he would be pandering to people who are making themselves look like idiots.

Some people believe we are hiding aliens in Area 51, but we aren't giving guided tours to dissuade them, or showing pictures...because it would make no difference. You could let a true believer poke around Area 51 for a month and if they found nothing they would still say Alien craft are being hidden there!


I really don't get what it is you don't understand, but he CANNOT just walk into court and hand it to the judge. If he does that he is saying "Here is evidence, whoever is bringing the case is wrong". That starts the case going, then the other guy gets to drag the case out for years, get experts to say its fake, question Obama's friends and family...it makes no sense to do that when you can say "Judge, this guy has no standing" and watch the judge kick the case out.

If you think 800K or even a million or two is excessive, please realize that cost is just drafting and filing a simple motion to dismiss. Actually taking it to court could cost several times that, with multiple motions, meetings, depositions, etc.

It would be completely irresponsible of his lawyers not to start with a motion to dismiss, it is pretty much standard procedure. Any lawyer who didn't in a case like this really would likely lose their license. These same issues have come up before(McCain), at least the during the election ones, and they were kicked out. It is way too easy to get it kicked out not to try to get it kicked out.

[mriddick]

That's because you're interested in the truth and setting things right, what this issue does for Obama is it keeps his political enemies looking like idiots and that's way more useful to a pol then anything. As for the money Obama doesn't spend anything of his own, after 18 months and 1.7 trillion we should all know that :)

[matshock]

That's because you're interested in the truth and setting things right, what this issue does for Obama is it keeps his political enemies looking like idiots and that's way more useful to a pol then anything. As for the money Obama doesn't spend anything of his own, after 18 months and 1.7 trillion we should all know that :)

OTOH it keeps some of his resources tied up too. Press in from enough different directions and he will cave, and with him perhapse the Democratic Party.

And to that- you're not seeing a bunch of valuable, top shelf personalities pursuing this. This has been a good way for fringe assests to put some heat on the White House.

Finally, I give a better chance Hillary plays this card next year (through a third party Democratic legal team) when it comes time to nominate a candidate for 2012. While I doubt it would be enough to remove Obama from office and invalidate eveything he's done I don't doubt it make a good springboard for a Clinton coup within the Democratic party.

More instability means more opportunity to topple them, so I say to those working on this have at it!

[HDR]

HDR, it's good you aren't in politics.

No shit.

Actually I'd tell people I will lie, cheat and steal; the reason you should vote for me is the other will do the same thing and won't admit it. LOL.


Such a photo of Obama would prove nothing. All it would do is make him look like a petty schmuck. Those who don't want to believe it would still say its a fake, and they would play right into his hands.

What photo?


Seriously, you think he's going to stand up and hold his BC up for the camera in some kind of "Dewey defeats Truman" moment? It doesn't have that impact. Those who don't want to believe would still scream that its fake, and he would be pandering to people who are making themselves look like idiots.

Its all how one sees pulling the rug out from under the other gu and Ba-roke needs one success..


Some people believe we are hiding aliens in Area 51, but we aren't giving guided tours to dissuade them, or showing pictures...because it would make no difference. You could let a true believer poke around Area 51 for a month and if they found nothing they would still say Alien craft are being hidden there!

It has been the best cover story for our top secret aerial skunk works.


I really don't get what it is you don't understand, but he CANNOT just walk into court and hand it to the judge. If he does that he is saying "Here is evidence, whoever is bringing the case is wrong". That starts the case going, then the other guy gets to drag the case out for years, get experts to say its fake, question Obama's friends and family...it makes no sense to do that when you can say "Judge, this guy has no standing" and watch the judge kick the case out.

Of course he can't, the case is about a birth certificate so showing it has somehow become the wrong thing to do. Another reason why the lawyers get more money,
I sue you to prove you are a citizen and you bring evidence to court which without doubt proves me wrong and the case continues? That would only make sense to a lawyer Kad, us little people don't get it.
So, after I am proven wrong the case continues and if you don't show it the case continues. When it comes to proving how totally hosed our justice system has become. Kad your example how stupid is as good as it gets


If you think 800K or even a million or two is excessive, please realize that cost is just drafting and filing a simple motion to dismiss. Actually taking it to court could cost several times that, with multiple motions, meetings, depositions, etc.

I am familar with milk the client for all you can get. I was born in the United States of America; now I live in the United States of Litigation.To be candid the US of A sure beat the hell out of the US of L. Health Care be damned, we need affordable legal insurance..


It would be completely irresponsible of his lawyers not to start with a motion to dismiss, it is pretty much standard procedure. Any lawyer who didn't in a case like this really would likely lose their license. These same issues have come up before(McCain), at least the during the election ones, and they were kicked out. It is way too easy to get it kicked out not to try to get it kicked out.

Kad, maybe they didn't start with a motion to dismiss because they didn't have his BC to show the judge??

[Kadmos]

Of course he can't, the case is about a birth certificate so showing it has somehow become the wrong thing to do. Another reason why the lawyers get more money,
I sue you to prove you are a citizen and you bring evidence to court which without doubt proves me wrong and the case continues? That would only make sense to a lawyer Kad, us little people don't get it.
So, after I am proven wrong the case continues and if you don't show it the case continues. When it comes to proving how totally hosed our justice system has become. Kad your example how stupid is as good as it gets

that's the problem, handing in a BC isn't proof, it's just evidence. Remember, in these cases the judge decides matters or law (such as standing), but it is the jury that decides matters of fact (such as is the birth certifcate real).

Yes it's slow, yes its expensive, but the system is set up so that when things go to trial everyone gets to examine and question each peice of evidence. This is the only way to really put it to the test.

Otherwise what's to stop Obama from handing the judge that handwritten sillyness of a BC and the judge saying "Ok, works for me, looks good enough"?




I am familar with milk the client for all you can get. I was born in the United States of America; now I live in the United States of Litigation.To be candid the US of A sure beat the hell out of the US of L. Health Care be damned, we need affordable legal insurance..

A quick motion to dismiss essentially proves the lawyer is not out to milk the client, as sad as it is, to a degree this is actually attempting to be fiscially responsible. True, he could have probably hired any random lawyer from the yellow pages, saved a ton of money, and gotten the same result. But that's his business.




Kad, maybe they didn't start with a motion to dismiss because they didn't have his BC to show the judge??

Could be.

But on that note, why did McCain file a motion to dismiss on the same issue? Does he have a real BC?

Now I will say this, there is obviously something hinky going on with Obama's secrecy issues. There is too much usually common information that is being kept from public view. I think this is more a matter of how it would look than having to do with his constitutional qualifications.

If I were to GUESS, I would say either he wrote something in college that may be very unpopular with mainstream America (and if so I doubt I would care, people will argue all kinds of positions in college that have little or nothing to do with personal belief), or more probably there were some forms filled out, possibly about his birthplace, and probably if not certianly dealing with finicial matters that could be seen in such a light as to be fraudlent.

[justinsaneok]

I have read through all the posts and there are some interesting arguments being made, for and against. What all but one of you is missing is that the "Globe" is not a conservative source or a birther source by any stretch of the imagination. For them to pick up this story moves it from being defined as a conservative fringe concern that does not need to be bothered with. Given that the "Globe" also has articles on flying saucers and Elvis sightings, I am not sure what that really means, but it is a definate change in the landscape.
You mean batboy wasn't real? LOL No really the writers of that publication are scum feeding of imagination and gossip. Truly a waste of time but hell you got to make money some way. I am however not impressed by the lies we are told by are commander and chief. I don't think we had ANY "change" for the good anyway .

[HDR]

that's the problem, handing in a BC isn't proof, it's just evidence. Remember, in these cases the judge decides matters or law (such as standing), but it is the jury that decides matters of fact (such as is the birth certifcate real).

I thought evidence did. lol. However not in the US of L, in the US of L everything is decided by litigation, even what the Constitution says must be interpreted over and over until it gets to the Supreme Court. Judging by the Second, even what the SCOTUS says isn't binding because as soon as SCOTUS decides, another case is filed. Weird, they made litigation so powerful it made them impotent.


Yes it's slow, yes its expensive, but the system is set up so that when things go to trial everyone gets to examine and question each peice of evidence. This is the only way to really put it to the test.

Maybe, or maybe it is the best way for lawyers to fill their wallets? If it was about justice, it would be acceptable; however, justice has nothing to do with it.


Otherwise what's to stop Obama from handing the judge that handwritten sillyness of a BC and the judge saying "Ok, works for me, looks good enough"?

Hawaii because they sealed the records.

Kad, as you said "handwritten sillyness of a birth certificate" you are making my point. The evidence that decides what this is all about is silliness as compared to the process.


A quick motion to dismiss essentially proves the lawyer is not out to milk the client, as sad as it is, to a degree this is actually attempting to be fiscially responsible. True, he could have probably hired any random lawyer from the yellow pages, saved a ton of money, and gotten the same result. But that's his business.

He could have, however, his choice was to drag it out.

0bama is a lawyer so he would have known that.... OTOH if you'd say 0bama is as poor of a lawyer as he is a president; I'd have to agree.


But on that note, why did McCain file a motion to dismiss on the same issue? Does he have a real BC?

Because he has one and he is as dumb as me believing the system works? lol


Now I will say this, there is obviously something hinky going on with Obama's secrecy issues. There is too much usually common information that is being kept from public view. I think this is more a matter of how it would look than having to do with his constitutional qualifications.

That is obvious, why it is tolerated is another question.


If I were to GUESS, I would say either he wrote something in college that may be very unpopular with mainstream America (and if so I doubt I would care, people will argue all kinds of positions in college that have little or nothing to do with personal belief), or more probably there were some forms filled out, possibly about his birthplace, and probably if not certianly dealing with finicial matters that could be seen in such a light as to be fraudlent.

I GUESS he would know that also, so it must be more interesting than a college paper. As everyone knows he claimed to be foreign to get educational money, it has to be something which would be more even unpopular than a college paper.

[Paladin]

You did but the POTUS does not have too.

Right, but he's not the POTUS or CnC. He did not qualify under the laws of our country to run for the office. He had to be a natural born citizen. He's not. So he is not the POTUS.

[Paladin]

The birth certificate is a whole 'nother story, you have yet to explain the announcements.. :)

What about the announcement in his hometown and birthplace in Kenya? Will you explain those away? Hell no, and you shouldn't have too. The burden of proof is not on you. Or me to explain away the announcements in Hawaii. It's Barry's job. Let the first half white wrongfully elected president explain it. Better yet. Let him provide a birth certificate with an attending physician's signature (whether it's proof or evidence doesn't matter) and put to rest the clamor. Whether it satisfies all "birthers" or not, it will shush 90% of us. The country could use that now. And it is no small lunatic fringe making that clamor. The guy's a dick but that's beside the point. He has broken the law. If a significant number of people made claims of illegal activity about you or I, we would at least be investigated. If we could call off the dogs by a simple presentation of paperwork, we would. Especially if it was the IRS, LOL.

And I write all this with respect for your logical and sincere manner of thinking.

Ahh fuck this guy. I'm not going to give the rotten piece of dog shit another bit of my time.

[mriddick]

Can you show a 1961 date birth announcement of Barry from Kenya? I would be very eager to see it and hear the history behind it.

[RJ Shooter]

I'm just sorry he was born, regardless of the location... :(HA!!!!

[Paladin]

That's because you're interested in the truth and setting things right, what this issue does for Obama is it keeps his political enemies looking like idiots and that's way more useful to a pol then anything.

Your statement has support from some of the right's own people...http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20011650-503544.html

(I made this "learn to be fair and honest" thing as a new year's resolution. and it's buggin the shit out of me)

[Paladin]

Can you show a 1961 date birth announcement of Barry from Kenya? I would be very eager to see it and hear the history behind it.

Yes I can show you one. Let me go to work on it. The manufacture of the birth announcements and their fraudulent placement into Kenyan history should be fairly easy. It's the fiscal planning that will be costly for me. But give me enough incentive, money, and time and I will honor your request. LOL

Let me make your next point for you before you go to the trouble by giving you the short version of a joke that will make your point.

Psychiatrist has been seeing a patient that has irrationally been complaining of having a live frog in his stomach. Out of frustration the shrink decides to get a friend who is good at slight of hand. They meet with the patient in the office and tell him that they believe him. That they have decided to induce vomiting into a basin to get rid of the frog. When patient vomits, the slight of hand friend puts the frog into the basin. The patient is "cured" of the frog delusion. A week later on a follow up, the shrink asks how the nut is doing. Nut replies that the frog must have spawned before the "cure" because the symptoms are much worse.

At this point few of us "birthers" will believe any facts presented. I agree.

I am through with the BC debate. The next thing I argue about this jerk will be whether he or Michelle is the one with the dick in the family. You can guess which side of the argument I will fall on...

[Paladin]

The POTUS walks into a psychiatrist's office with a duck on top of his head.
The receptionist says, "May I help Mr. president?"
The POTUS says, "I want to see the psychiatrist, I have proof I was born in Hawaii".
She asks, "Do you have an appointment?"
"No", the POTUS says, "But I really need to see him".
The receptionist tells the POTUS, with the duck on top of his head, "I'm sorry sir, you'll have to have an appointment"
Not to be put off, the POTUSr barges into the psychiatrist's office, who is counseling a patient.
The receptionist follows him in and says, "Doctor, I'm sorry, I told him he would need an appointment".
The psychiatrist lets her know it's OK and looks at the POTUS with the duck on top of his head and says, "May I help you, sir?"
The duck says, "Yeah, can you get this fucking Kenyan off my ass?"

[Paladin]

Whadda ya think? CnC is chargeable under the UCMJ? The Military takes fraudulent documentation seriously. http://www.armytimes.com/news/2010/07/army_crump_072510/

[mriddick]

Your statement has support from some of the right's own people...http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20011650-503544.html

(I made this "learn to be fair and honest" thing as a new year's resolution. and it's buggin the shit out of me)

My take is what if your political enemy came by and asked you for proof you're a citizen for no real legal reason, would you drop all and run to get it or would you tell them to F'off? I bet 9 out of 10 of us would say F'off... Now what if your political enemy decides to make a huge deal out of this which to the vast majority of voters (60%+) makes them look like idiots... Would you be more willing to show them the proof or would you set back and let your enemies looks like idiots all they want?

Well that's the POV from obama, he's met whatever legal obligations he needs to be President, if those are lacking then that needs to be addressed first but at this point all the birthers are doing is becoming the left's version of the truthers which were dismissed by the right just as much.

I will look forward to seeing the 1961 birth announcment...

[Paladin]

...I will look forward to seeing the 1961 birth announcment...

You won't see it.

"Yes I can show you one. Let me go to work on it. The manufacture of the birth announcements and their fraudulent placement into Kenyan history should be fairly easy. It's the fiscal planning that will be costly for me. But give me enough incentive, money, and time and I will honor your request. LOL"

I already off-handedly gave up my position. And I am willing to agree that all the decrying by us "birthers" won't do any good other than to weaken the right's position. Good logic. I'm through whining over the issue based on your logical assertions.

mriddick, in my old age I am learning to yield to logic even at the expense of my own ego. Call it waffling if you will, but it's really not that.

[renegadebuck]

You won't see it.

"Yes I can show you one. Let me go to work on it. The manufacture of the birth announcements and their fraudulent placement into Kenyan history should be fairly easy. It's the fiscal planning that will be costly for me. But give me enough incentive, money, and time and I will honor your request. LOL"

I already off-handedly gave up my position. And I am willing to agree that all the decrying by us "birthers" won't do any good other than to weaken the right's position. Good logic. I'm through whining over the issue based on your logical assertions.

mriddick, in my old age I am learning to yield to logic even at the expense of my own ego. Call it waffling if you will, but it's really not that.

I found this. It sure sounds like he's doing the talking!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwhKuunp8D8&feature=player_embedded

[AKTexas]

Obama was not born he was created from the bits and pieces of all the past democrat presidents and socialist leaders.

[justinsaneok]

Paladin said it best.

[HDR]

I'm just sorry he was born, regardless of the location... :(

Slithered out from under a rock.

[Mark Ducati]

Obama was born in africa!

Yeah... and under a rock!

[JTHunter]

Ignoring the BC for the moment, there is something that you should all remember. While he was an undergrad, Obama applied for AND GOT public aid as a FOREIGN STUDENT.
In the early '80's, he went to (if I remember correctly) Pakistan when Americans were prohibited from going. If he did go, he could not have done so on a U.S. passport! The rumor mill "suggests" that he did so on either a British or INDONESIAN passport.
So, ask yourselves now - he got foreign student aid, he went to a country that Americans were barred from - were these the "frauds or is it what is happening NOW?

[Kadmos]

In the early '80's, he went to (if I remember correctly) Pakistan when Americans were prohibited from going. If he did go, he could not have done so on a U.S. passport! The rumor mill "suggests" that he did so on either a British or INDONESIAN passport.


As usual the rumor mill provides poor information. You can go anywhere on a US passport. You might need a visa, and such was the case in Pakistan at the time, but it does not prohibit travel.

Even during the cold war you could go to the USSR and Cuba with the correct visa, actually Cuba was tougher and the state department frowned on it. But the needing an Indonesian or British passport is total bullshit.

And even if it wasn't, there is nothing in US law that bars a US citizen from having a passport from another country. We are required to enter and exit the US on a US passport, but if I want to become a citizen of South Africa and get a passport there, I can leave the US on a US passport, travel the rest of the world on the SA passport, then reenter the US with my US passport and not effect my citizenship in the slightest.

[mriddick]

It would be interesting to see Obama's school records but they have not been released as far as I I've been able to find out. I would note the MSM has not made a big deal to have them released. How he paid for his college is unknown as far as I know but if you got a link outlining how he did it I'd like to see it.
Snopes has some info on his schooling and how he paid for it but they discredit it as false (snopes is thought to be pro Obama).

[Paladin]

As usual the rumor mill provides poor information. You can go anywhere on a US passport. You might need a visa, and such was the case in Pakistan at the time, but it does not prohibit travel.

Even during the cold war you could go to the USSR and Cuba with the correct visa, actually Cuba was tougher and the state department frowned on it. But the needing an Indonesian or British passport is total bullshit.

And even if it wasn't, there is nothing in US law that bars a US citizen from having a passport from another country. We are required to enter and exit the US on a US passport, but if I want to become a citizen of South Africa and get a passport there, I can leave the US on a US passport, travel the rest of the world on the SA passport, then reenter the US with my US passport and not effect my citizenship in the slightest.

True dat, honkey. http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/cis/cis_1753.html