To hell with the wally world emergency lamps.... looky here

[O.S.O.K.]

Almost free vegitable (olive oil in this case) oil jar lamp.

It was coppertail's link to the retail web site that had these for sale that got me to do this - just took a fruit jar, removed the label, took a short lenght of stainless steel wire (I had a coil in my shop) and bent it to hold a wick and put it into the jar - I have some extra wicks purchased for the wally world oil lamps that I bought. Filled the jar to just under the top of the wick and lit it up - smoked at first as the tip of the wick charred but it stopped where the wire pinched it and it started burning just like a "normal" oil lamp. Cool - practically free and you can use the oil to cook with too. :)
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4100/5410707077_f9d2cfbca2_b.jpg

[ubersoldate]

Those work good in a pinch, but gotta watch the glass, as in time those mason jars crack....

[El Jefe]

You gonna pack that around from room to room or carry it outside? Try again.

[O.S.O.K.]

I was wondering about that (jar heating an breaking). I figure though that since this is not something being used continually, it should be fine.

But I'm going to move my little creation just in case as it's sitting on a top shelf above my work computer... :eek:

[O.S.O.K.]

You gonna pack that around from room to room or carry it outside? Try again.

What? These are cheap cheap cheap - just have one for each place you want lit up. But you can carry it without much problem - just hold the bottom and don't spill it... but if you do, it just goes out.

I'm not going to throw my wally world lamps away - I just thought this was cool.

[swampdragon]

What? These are cheap cheap cheap - just have one for each place you want lit up. But you can carry it without much problem - just hold the bottom and don't spill it... but if you do, it just goes out.

I'm not going to throw my wally world lamps away - I just thought this was cool.

It "is" cool.
Jeff is just being his usual smart ass self.

[Pikeman]

Sure they are cheap now but what happens when you start to crave Marsala chicken and a Greek salad?

[O.S.O.K.]

Well, I combat that by having some focachia bread on hand with some cracked pepper. If I cut it in strips, it'll fit down into the oil :lool:

Mmmm, warm olive oil. :)

[HDR]

Those work good in a pinch, but gotta watch the glass, as in time those mason jars crack....

Ditto, a piece of crockery works a lot longer.

These are from 536 BC: http://www.ancientresource.com/lots/holyland_artifacts/oil_lamps/holy_land_oil_lamps.html

[Flinter]

You've created a version of what's known as a "betty lamp".

They are as simple as a depression in rock with a wick coming out of the side to intricate brass contraptions that work just like a rock with a depression in it....

[HDR]

You've created a version of what's known as a "betty lamp".

They are as simple as a depression in rock with a wick coming out of the side to incricate brass contraptions that work just like a rock with a depression in it....

When times get really bad modern copies of ancient things start showing up.

[swampdragon]

Hopefully goat bladder condoms won't be necessary.

[O.S.O.K.]

Hopefully goat bladder condoms won't be necessary.

Damn! That was my next post :mad:

:lool:

[swampdragon]

Damn! That was my next post :mad:

:lool:

Well...on the bright side....at least we're not still wearing fur underwear. It's really hard to wash.
:wow:

[AKTexas]

Well...on the bright side....at least we're not still wearing fur underwear. It's really hard to wash.
:wow:

Since when do godless heathens wear underwear?

[HDR]

DILLIGAF?

This thread was interesting..

[videodon]

Nice McGuyver!
:)

[O.S.O.K.]

Naw, I missed McGiver by a hair... now if I'd of used a shoestring for the wick... then yeah. :D

[swampdragon]

Since when do godless heathens wear underwear?

Since I got icicles stuck to my pubic hair during this last snow storm.

[swampdragon]

Naw, I missed McGiver by a hair... now if I'd of used a shoestring for the wick... then yeah. :D

These crystal rock things like Flinter was mentioning (rocks) looks pretty easy to make too.
And they look cool.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v648/Swampdragon/0a73f569.jpg

[swampdragon]

DILLIGAF?

This thread was interesting..

Yeah!
How DARE the original poster crack jokes and have fun with his own thread!
And all these other members need to remember they are only here to keep "you" interested in the topic!
Bastards.

:jerk-n-off:

[HDR]

Yeah!
How DARE the original poster crack jokes and have fun with his own thread!
And all these other members need to remember they are only here to keep "you" interested in the topic!
Bastards.

:jerk-n-off:

I guess only you have the right to a personal opinion. As you seem to voice yours often why is it such a big thing when another returns the favor??

MY interest?? Well, they lost my interest; so if it was for my interest they wasted their time and mine.

Same as answering your :jerk-n-off: comment was a waste of time.

[slamfire51]

Since when do godless heathens wear underwear?

Much less washing them.......:rotflmbao:

[alismith]

Well...on the bright side....at least we're not still wearing fur underwear. It's really hard to wash.
:wow:

Which is the correct way to wear that; fur inside or outside? (A friend wants to know....):eyebrows:

[swampdragon]

I guess only you have the right to a personal opinion. As you seem to voice yours often why is it such a big thing when another returns the favor??

MY interest?? Well, they lost my interest; so if it was for my interest they wasted their time and mine.

Same as answering your :jerk-n-off: comment was a waste of time.


:lool:

[swampdragon]

Which is the correct way to wear that; fur inside or outside? (A friend wants to know....):eyebrows:

Fur inside in the winter months because it's warmer that way.
In the summer, it's fur outside so you don't sweat so bad.
You have to make sure to scrape the leather side REALLY smooth with a bone and a rock though.
Rough grained leather can be uncomfy.

[alismith]

Fur inside in the winter months because it's warmer that way.
In the summer, it's fur outside so you don't sweat so bad.
You have to make sure to scrape the leather side REALLY smooth with a bone and a rock though.
Rough grained leather can be uncomfy.

Ok, got it. So, porcupine fur ONLY in summer. Check!

[Integratedj]

Hopefully goat bladder condoms won't be necessary.

Hell no. I'll go to free belly lotion for my wife before I fuck with any goat parts on my crank.

[HDR]

Hell no. I'll go to free belly lotion for my wife before I fuck with any goat parts on my crank.

Enjoying the feelings of goat would be an acquired taste I don't wish to experience.

[mrkalashnikov]

The olive oil lamp is way cool. I'll bet they smell good as well. I luvs me good virgin olive oil, whether for bread dippin', cooking, or just plain swilling. Great stuff for the arteries & ticker. I suppose if one could find pyrex jars, that would solve the potential heat-cracking issue.

[HDR]

:lool:

Golly our barracks lawyer limited himself.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLY7yI1xV-M

Oh Happy days...

[Mark Ducati]

I like your thinking, but I think this is probably safer/easier as these are ceramic heat resistant stoppers:

http://www.winebottleoillamp.com/images/3%20BW%20Pict.jpg

http://www.winebottleoillamp.com

3 for $14.97

[O.S.O.K.]

That's cool too - but use the kerosene with those - the oil actually needs a "floating" holder for the wick to keep the flame near the oil - as the oil was consumed and lowered in the jar, the flame got lower and lower.... of course, i could've just pushed the wire holder down but a floating holder would be better.

Or maybe just get some of the old aladin's lamp type lamps...

[HDR]

That's cool too - but use the kerosene with those - the oil actually needs a "floating" holder for the wick to keep the flame near the oil - as the oil was consumed and lowered in the jar, the flame got lower and lower.... of course, i could've just pushed the wire holder down but a floating holder would be better.

Or maybe just get some of the old aladin's lamp type lamps...

For what they had to work with the ancients were pretty slick.

http://venetiancat.com/LAMPS/CanaaniteLamp1500-600BC.jpg

Theirs burnt without floating wicks.

[O.S.O.K.]

And the next step:

http://ancientlamps.com/fortis.gif

At first, I thought these were wickless but I guess they used a wick too - the design keeps the oil level near the wick though so no floating needed...

http://ancientlamps.com/index.html

[slamfire51]

And the next step:

http://ancientlamps.com/fortis.gif

At first, I thought these were wickless but I guess they used a wick too - the design keeps the oil level near the wick though so no floating needed...

http://ancientlamps.com/index.html


Did you rub it before you lit it?

A genie may be burning in there. :losing-it:

[O.S.O.K.]

Well, yes, yes I did. It was actually round with a little nub on one side but as I rubbed it, the nub grew... :p

This seemed normal to me and I didn't think anything of it until you mentioned it.... :lool:

I think it must be a fertility lamp :coffee:

[slamfire51]

Well, yes, yes I did. It was actually round with a little nub on one side but as I rubbed it, the nub grew... :p

This seemed normal to me and I didn't think anything of it until you mentioned it.... :lool:

I think it must be a fertility lamp :coffee:

More than likely, the Genie is very appreciative. Did you smell cigarette smoke after you rubbed him...er...it? :laugh:

[HDR]

And the next step:

http://ancientlamps.com/fortis.gif

At first, I thought these were wickless but I guess they used a wick too - the design keeps the oil level near the wick though so no floating needed...

http://ancientlamps.com/index.html

They used a wick.

As the lamp burns the oil level lowers; so "the design keeps the oil level near the wick" wouldn't be possible.


Oil Lamps from Thailand
http://www.natashascafe.com/images/photos/oilampred.jpg
15,000 Years of oil lamps. The oldest indoor light source. These oil lamps burn regular vegetable oils from your kitchen. The rope wick is included but can be replaced at any hardware store. And we'll send along instructions.
http://www.natashascafe.com/html/oilamp.htmlKeeping the oil level near the wick with this design would be challenging.

[O.S.O.K.]

My point was that because of the shallow and wide resevoir for the oil, the oil stays "relatively" close to the wick - or maybe the better way to say it is that it goes down slower than if the column of oil is narrow.

Make sense?

I figure that they would probably of only burned the oil for a few hours in the evening at a time anyway and I imagine the evening routine would involve filling the lamp before lighting it.

I wonder what the common fire makeing technology was?

You never see anyone in the movies making fire... there's always some around - lamps, fires, etc. - but you never see anybody "generating" fire...

What tools did they use in ancient Greece and eslewhere? Flint and steel? Friction stick?, When was the match invented?

Ah, I see that it was in the 1800's... So, before that, fire was generated by some form of spark or friction. Wow.

Really makes you think - we haven't had really high-tech stuff for very long... not long at all.

[slamfire51]

My point was that because of the shallow and wide resevoir for the oil, the oil stays "relatively" close to the wick - or maybe the better way to say it is that it goes down slower than if the column of oil is narrow.

Make sense?

I figure that they would probably of only burned the oil for a few hours in the evening at a time anyway and I imagine the evening routine would involve filling the lamp before lighting it.

I wonder what the common fire makeing technology was?

You never see anyone in the movies making fire... there's always some around - lamps, fires, etc. - but you never see anybody "generating" fire...

What tools did they use in ancient Greece and eslewhere? Flint and steel? Friction stick?, When was the match invented?

Ah, I see that it was in the 1800's... So, before that, fire was generated by some form of spark or friction. Wow.

Really makes you think - we haven't had really high-tech stuff for very long... not long at all.

Here's some ways ancients made fire.
http://www.onagocag.com/fire.html
http://www.primitiveways.com/marcasite%20and%20flint.html
http://archaeology.about.com/od/ancientdailylife/qt/fire_control.htm

[sksAL]

laminated card type paper, shiney, like we all get sent rite to the house in our junk mail will burn for DAYS in oil , wax, or grease. in a bowl or plate. so fast and simple.

[HDR]

My point was that because of the shallow and wide resevoir for the oil, the oil stays "relatively" close to the wick - or maybe the better way to say it is that it goes down slower than if the column of oil is narrow.

Make sense?

Capillary Action

"Capillary action, or capillarity, is the ability of liquid to flow against gravity/


I figure that they would probably of only burned the oil for a few hours in the evening at a time anyway and I imagine the evening routine would involve filling the lamp before lighting it.

I wonder what the common fire makeing technology was?

You never see anyone in the movies making fire... there's always some around - lamps, fires, etc. - but you never see anybody "generating" fire...

What tools did they use in ancient Greece and eslewhere? Flint and steel? Friction stick?,

The Romans used the Egyptian Bow Drill to make fire. The Greeks weren't very good at making fire so they would bring fire with them.

http://www.primitiveways.com/e-fire.html

As it looks like slow work; they probably lit their lamps from a cooking fire.


When was the match invented?

1827 by John Walker.

[O.S.O.K.]

Yep 1800's and the first ones involved dipping the match into acid in order to ignite it... And again, think on that. The simple match has only been around for 190 years. The electic light... radio, TV, the integrated circuit, etc.... so much has been developed in the very recent past.

Yet, we are essentially the exact same beings as the people that were alive 1000 years ago.

Anyway, good to be cognizent of the basic's as you never know when we'll be backing up a bit...

[Schuetzenman]

What's old is new again it seems. Yes oil will burn. I've used corn oil and safflower in the past. Yes to the wick floating for a consistant flame. The oil is kind of heavy so it doesn't "wick" up through a ... um wick very well. The oil will get rancid in time and smells pretty bad when it does.

Never tried it but I bet Kerosene and oil mix could also work. A possible supply stretching technique if needed.

[HDR]

Yep 1800's and the first ones involved dipping the match into acid in order to ignite it... And again, think on that. The simple match has only been around for 190 years.

Actually John Walker invented the friction match in 1827.


The first "friction match" was invented by English chemist John Walker in 1826.[4] Early work had been done by Robert Boyle and his assistant, Godfrey Haukweicz[5] in the 1680s with phosphorus and sulfur, but their efforts had not produced useful results. Walker discovered a mixture of antimony(III) sulfide or stibnite, potassium chlorate, gum, and starch could be ignited by striking against any rough surface.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Match#Friction_matches

The first sales were in 1827.


John Walker (29 May 1781 – 1 May 1859) was an English chemist from Stockton-on-Tees, who in 1826 accidentally invented the friction match by mixing potassium chlorate and antimony sulfide.

The first recorded sale from his store was 7 April 1827 under the name 'Sulphurata Hyper-Oxygenata Frict.' The second recorded sale was 7 September 1827 under the more familiar name 'friction lights'. Apart from three recorded sales during 1828 under the name of 'attrition lights' all other recorded sales were for 'friction lights'. He met and corresponded with Michael Faraday, and was encouraged to protect his invention by him and others; but Walker refused to patent his invention preferring instead to pursue his scientific studies. He did not divulge the exact composition of his matches.

He died in 1859, and was buried in the grounds of St Mary's Church in Norton, near Stockton.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Walker_%28inventor%29



Anyway, good to be cognizent of the basic's as you never know when we'll be backing up a bit...

Knowledge is a good thing and one never knows just when one will need it.

[O.S.O.K.]

Ah that's right - the acid thing was in the 1600's. Boyle discoverd the ignition of phosphorous and sulfer in the 1780's but never made matches - then your man came up with the strike anywhere type matches in 1827. And apparently, there were all kinds of experimentation going quite a ways back with sulfer.

Point is, we've only had this stuff for a very short time and most people walk around blissfully unaware of this.

[HDR]

Point is, we've only had this stuff for a very short time and most people walk around blissfully unaware of this.

The technology doubles every few years and they have grown up with it.

Knowledge of the old ways has died and survival skills seem to be how much one can stockpile.

[O.S.O.K.]

Well, I must admit that I'm guilty of that last one myself. And I think it makes sense for certain things - provides a buffer which prevents panic and promotes clear thinking. :) That sounded pretty good :) Almost like I know what I'm talking about :lool:

Though, I have a fair amount of basic survival skills having been involved in scouts for the last 9 years with my boys and a back packer since my early 20's.

[swampdragon]

The technology doubles every few years and they have grown up with it.

Knowledge of the old ways has died and survival skills seem to be how much one can stockpile.

People stockpiled stuff in ancient times too. Especially grains.
They just couldn't order it on the internet or over the cell phone.
lol....
Imagine just how much we take simple things like canned goods for granted.
People used to stockpile just to make it through harsh winters.
Most of their stock would spoil if left any longer.
Now we can do it for years.
That goodness for Nicolas Appert.

[HDR]

People stockpiled stuff in ancient times too. Especially grains.
They just couldn't order it on the internet or over the cell phone.
lol....

Only where the climate supported it. They lacked climate control and sealed containers same as they lacked cell phones and the web.

It took a lot of knowledge to be primitive.


Imagine just how much we take simple things like canned goods for granted.
People used to stockpile just to make it through harsh winters.
Most of their stock would spoil if left any longer.
Now we can do it for years.
That goodness for Nicolas Appert.

After using the calculator ( http://grandpappy.info/hfood1yr.htm ), stockpiling for years would be a hell of a lot of food and what happens if TEOTWAWKI isn't over yet?

lol