Don't all those teachers in Wisconsin who are striking....

[Guns Network Staff]

by calling in sick and going to the capitol to strike... have children to TEACH?

Priorities........
1. SELF
2. UNION
3.SELF
4. FAMILY
5. SELF
6. CHILDREN YOU TEACH



I guess you have to have your priorities in order. Like pay for YOUR OWN benefits as in additional 12% as they have been paying 0%.

Seem the state workers up there had a hell of a benefit plan that the people of wisconsin all paid for, DAMN.....

Shit I was living in the wrong state if I was a state worker.... I know in Texas they have to pay like 21% I believe and Texas congress passed for them to pay an additional 6% this coming fall out of there pocket.

[O.S.O.K.]

I was just posting some about this =- related, in Lysander's thread.

My wife's a teacher here in Texas. I bet she get's 30% less pay than the WI teachers do, and like you say - no where near the benefits. And I'm willing to bet that our kids are getting a better education here.

And we're not running a huge state deficit in spite of no state income tax.

And it's not just the teachers unions there of course, it's all of the public sector worker's unions - it all adds up to much higher cost for the same or less service.

Unions as they exist today suck IMHO.

[Zygomatic]

I'm in Wisconsin and you should hear the wailing and gnashing of teeth going on around here. Socilist temper tantrums. Kids at the high school staged a walkout to support the teachers. My daughter said fuck that and stayed in class :) These teachers make more than my wife and I put together and still they cry. They are getting a glimpse of the real world, and boy does it scare them.

[Richard Simmons]

They are finally going to find out that the gravy train is off the tracks. The fact that they are whining and "scared" about having to pay for half their retirement and 12.6% of their healthcare coverage shows just how deep into the socialist mindset they've sunk. Welcome to the world the rest of America inhabits.

[sevlex]

Sic Chris Christie on their lazy, ignorant, selfish Commie asses:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1tnPkzHgAA

:cool1::cool1::cool1:

[matshock]

Rush just played an interview with some WI students that were brought to the union protests by their teacher- the students didn't even really know why they were there.

If it were me I'd do what Reagan did to the air traffic controllers. I'd do it today.

[wdmason99]

Unfortunately, teachers unions don't give a crap about students, their education, the difference between good and bad teachers, and anything that has to do with changing the tenure rules!! Tenure should be eliminated for any teacher evaluated as inferior.

[Guns Network Staff]

http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg271/cftech/unionpig.jpg

[HDR]

It is all about money and continuing their very spoiled way of life.

Same as everywhere else, here in NC funds are tight; however State employees received raises and bonuses. That was rubbing salt in the wound.

[Warthogg]

by calling in sick and going to the capitol to strike... have children to TEACH?

Priorities........
1. SELF
2. UNION
3.SELF
4. FAMILY
5. SELF


I guess you have to have your priorities in order.




Yup.



Wart

[HDR]

They keep mentioning "the children" is the quality of education based on their paycheck etc?

[mriddick]

The teachers union has brought this on themselves with what they've done to the education system in America and I don't think they even realize it.

[matshock]

They keep mentioning "the children" is the quality of education based on their paycheck etc?

Apparently, getting any education at all depends on the quality of their paycheck.

Replace them all with the laid off people that used to work in the real world until the economy tanked- we'd see an improvement in the quality of education almost instantly.

[Warthogg]

Replace them all with the laid off people that used to work in the real world until the economy tanked- we'd see an improvement in the quality of education almost instantly.



Maybe.

Little is mentioned about the idiots who are the school administrators.



Wart

[mriddick]

The dems are going to try and slow the process down by not showing up at the statehouse.

[samiam]

No difference between a teachers strike and the "blue flu" cops get when its budget time other than inconveniencing parents

[Verhasst]

Fire them. Let them see what it's like in the real world. I have always worked non-union jobs. I have been always expected to produce. These crybabies would not last two weeks in a job that expects employees to work for their pay. I fricking hate these entitlement leeches almost as much as the welfare leeches.

[JVD]

I guess those teachers would rather have a chance at being one of the 6000 laid off if this doesn't pass.

They really care a lot about each other, don't they. Walker is playing hardball and isn't going to fuck around when it comes to state debt.

[HDR]

Apparently, getting any education at all depends on the quality of their paycheck.

The needs of the children have nothing to do with their wallet. I've worked where there was a union; when production slowed the first words out of their mouths was equality of sacrifice.


Replace them all with the laid off people that used to work in the real world until the economy tanked- we'd see an improvement in the quality of education almost instantly.

I took a cut in pay same as a lot of others. The economy is bad, their state is out of money and if they missed the obvious they are too stupid to teach anyone.

[matshock]

Fire them. Let them see what it's like in the real world. I have always worked non-union jobs. I have been always expected to produce. These crybabies would not last two weeks in a job that expects employees to work for their pay. I fricking hate these entitlement leeches almost as much as the welfare leeches.
Basically they walked off their jobs because they're not going to be allowed to make the private tax payers second class citizens with their own money anymore.

If I had pulled that at any job I have ever had security would have greeted me with a box of my stuff when I returned- and rightfully so.

+1 Fire them all. Do it now.

[HDR]

Walking off the job or mass calling in sick is a termination offense..

0bama says this is a union witch hunt and Forrest Gump would say "stupid is as stupid does applies to 0bama"

[old Grump]

And when you rehire teaching staff the sub standard teachers who have been hanging onto their jobs only because they were in the union don't have to be hired back. Let them cut the grass, sweep the floors or pass out milk in the lunch room.

[O.S.O.K.]

The average salary of WI teachers is $47,000. Annualize that and you get $63,000 - that is, take into consideration that they get almost 3 months off in the summer. They get every holiday known to man off and two weeks over the holidays and usually one week in the spring too, but I didn't roll any of that up into the figure.

Good teachers that work hard and are dedicated are worth this pay IMHO. However, the way the system is set up now, it's very hard to get rid of the slackers and in reality, the dedicated teachers end up carrying their weight... which over time, creates less and less dedicated teachers and more and more slackers just going through the motion.

Sad situation. The earlier comment about their socialist mind-set is spot on IMHO.

[Warthogg]

The dems are going to try and slow the process down by not showing up at the statehouse.

Yup. Police are looking for them but some think they may be out of state. Only need to capture one of the creatures and make him/her vote and the deal is done.



Wart

[Oswald Bastable]

The dems are going to try and slow the process down by not showing up at the statehouse.

Yeah, this is one of those "you're not playing fair so we're going to take our ball and go home" moments by the dims. Nobody, though, has mentioned yet that if they'd done their jobs when they held both houses and the Gov's office, i.e., balanced the budget, they (and the state) wouldn't be in this predicament now.

Another thought that's come to my mind on this whole thing, is it's likely those who've worked the longest for the state that are making the most noise, as they know if there are layoffs, they'll still keep their jobs due to seniority. Walker should float the idea that if the current bill has to be abandoned due to the dims intransigence, that while layoffs will have to occur, they'll start at the top since those are the employees making the most money. Thus fewer people overall will have to be laid off to save the same amount of money. How much you wanna bet the loudest voices will suddenly be clamoring for the dims to come back and vote on the current bill?

[mriddick]

Yup. Police are looking for them but some think they may be out of state. Only need to capture one of the creatures and make him/her vote and the deal is done.



Wart

Some good WI patriots ought to go to their houses and have a bon fire.

[Ruskiegunlover]

I agree...reagan their asses......I am a teacher too, have NEVER been a member of the communist party (union).....won't as a teacher either. Fuck any teacher who walks out, and ENCOURAGES students to walk out.

[LAGC]

You guys are terrible. This "race to the bottom" in smashing down unions and good wages/benefits is what's destroying this country and turning it into a Third World shit-hole. Unions don't just benefit those belonging to them, they boost EVERY workers wages, as private sector employers have to offer similar wages to compete for and attract skilled workers.

I'm sure if the Republicans had their way, every skilled worker would be making minimum wage without benefits... until they abolished the minimum wage as well, then we could all try living on $2 a day like some other countries that ban unions. YAY!

[chiak47]

Some of the teachers went on strike at my kids school here in N.WI. The shitty thing is..They are actually venting their anger in the classroom and I have to correct everything my kids heard/hear from their teacher's concerning this fiasco.


For example...My son says "Mr.Blah told us that Walker wants to make it that teachers receive no raise for 10 years"

I have heard rumors that Walker might give them a few days to shut the fuck up or he will fire them and replace them with non-union public servants.
:hungio8:

I'm union but in no way shape or form a union hack.

[chiak47]

Yup. Police are looking for them but some think they may be out of state. Only need to capture one of the creatures and make him/her vote and the deal is done.



Wart

The are in IL..

[mriddick]

You guys are terrible. This "race to the bottom" in smashing down unions and good wages/benefits is what's destroying this country and turning it into a Third World shit-hole. Unions don't just benefit those belonging to them, they boost EVERY workers wages, as private sector employers have to offer similar wages to compete for and attract skilled workers.

I'm sure if the Republicans had their way, every skilled worker would be making minimum wage without benefits... until they abolished the minimum wage as well, then we could all try living on $2 a day like some other countries that ban unions. YAY!

It comes down to whether a union employee can justify their pay/benefits with their work. I'd say if there's a flaw to all this stuff in WI is it's not applied to all state employees such as the state police, firemen and LEO's. The problem is under current rules the pensions are going to sink these state.

[Ruskiegunlover]

Yeah, thats right, republican backed ENTITLEMENTS like unions are whats bankrupting (destroying) our country.....thats right....no wait, what?


Unions are communist. And like everything communist, they are evil. They reward ineptitude, laziness, half-assed work and destroy ANY initiative to work hard. Consequently, the drive to perform your job is gone, and you produce a product that isn't worth shit. Hense, our education system. BUT, I still say our ed system is 90% the fault of parents. Its just that that 10% is pure union bullshit......

The union keeps schools from being able to fire bad teachers.....so said bad teachers get to polute their classrooms more......

Jesus help us, we are fucked in this country.

[Richard Simmons]

You guys are terrible. This "race to the bottom" in smashing down unions and good wages/benefits is what's destroying this country and turning it into a Third World shit-hole. Unions don't just benefit those belonging to them, they boost EVERY workers wages, as private sector employers have to offer similar wages to compete for and attract skilled workers.

I'm sure if the Republicans had their way, every skilled worker would be making minimum wage without benefits... until they abolished the minimum wage as well, then we could all try living on $2 a day like some other countries that ban unions. YAY!

All they are asking is for teachers to contribute 7% of their pay towards their own pensions and healthcare. That's a far cry from minimum wage. How much are you paying for your retirement and healthcare?

[LAGC]

All they are asking is for teachers to contribute 7% of their pay towards their own pensions and healthcare. That's a far cry from minimum wage. How much are you paying for your retirement and healthcare?

My employer doesn't offer a pension or health care, so I'm pretty much fucked if I get sick. And Social Security probably won't be around by the time I turn 65, so I'll probably be working until I die, as will most of my generation.

What gets me though, is instead of bitching about what some workers are getting and trying to bring them down, we should be instead focusing on bringing everyone else up. I know a big part of the problem is our global economy and the fact that foreign workers can work for a lot cheaper in foreign countries, but that's why we need an international labor movement to raise those people up, instead of trying to tear down American workers.

In the 1950's we were the envy of the world. Unions were strong as were wages. It only took one bread-winner to work and support the whole family. Now even when both parents are working, they can hardly break even. We're moving in the wrong direction...

[Cypher]

They are finally going to find out that the gravy train is off the tracks. The fact that they are whining and "scared" about having to pay for half their retirement and 12.6% of their healthcare coverage shows just how deep into the socialist mindset they've sunk. Welcome to the world the rest of America inhabits.

I agree. I don't see how it's any different for everyone else and even teachers in other states. I don't know why people like the teachers in WI feel entitled rather than blessed they were able to get by with the benefits they had for so long.




You guys are terrible. This "race to the bottom" in smashing down unions and good wages/benefits is what's destroying this country and turning it into a Third World shit-hole. Unions don't just benefit those belonging to them, they boost EVERY workers wages, as private sector employers have to offer similar wages to compete for and attract skilled workers.

I'm sure if the Republicans had their way, every skilled worker would be making minimum wage without benefits... until they abolished the minimum wage as well, then we could all try living on $2 a day like some other countries that ban unions. YAY!

http://tnation.t-nation.com/forum_images/7/d/7dfa3_ORIG-applause.gif

Congratulations, your ignorance astounds me.

[Richard Simmons]

My employer doesn't offer a pension or health care, so I'm pretty much fucked if I get sick. And Social Security probably won't be around by the time I turn 65, so I'll probably be working until I die, as will most of my generation.

What gets me though, is instead of bitching about what some workers are getting and trying to bring them down, we should be instead focusing on bringing everyone else up. I know a big part of the problem is our global economy and the fact that foreign workers can work for a lot cheaper in foreign countries, but that's why we need an international labor movement to raise those people up, instead of trying to tear down American workers.

In the 1950's we were the envy of the world. Unions were strong as were wages. It only took one bread-winner to work and support the whole family. Now even when both parents are working, they can hardly break even. We're moving in the wrong direction...

It's not your employers responsibility to provide those things, it's yours. There in lies the problem. You're looking for others to provide instead of looking to yourself for those things. That's a socialist mentality in a capitalist country.

No one is bitching about what they get but rather that what they are getting can no longer be supported. You pay nothing for retirement or healtcare and have neither. I pay at least partially for both and get both. They pay for neither and get both. The teachers are being asked to live like myself and the majority of working Americans, not like you.

Foreign workers have nothing to do with union pensions that pay out more to retirees in benefits than the workers working make or pay in. That's a problem caused by unions and the politicians they own. Our "global economy" can no longer support such extravagance. Some like yourself just can't figure that out.

[El Laton Caliente]

FNC reported the average benifit package for the teachers in WI is about $40,000.00 and they currently pay nothing toward their retirement or insurances. Amazing.

[JVD]

FNC reported the average benifit package for the teachers in WI is about $40,000.00 and they currently pay nothing toward their retirement or insurances. Amazing.

those greedy pricks that are protesting need to get their asses kicked to the curb.


I think it would be funny if Walker said fine, you don't want to help deal with our budget crisis, all of you who so oppose this measure are laid off.

[Ruskiegunlover]

So am I the only one who feels like we are living in early 20th century russia right now? We have outright SOCIALISTS demanding 'rights' to collectively bargain, demanding the RIGHT to vote for our leaders, while also getting to STEAL FROM THE NATIONS FISCAL COOKIE JAR BASED ON WHO THEY VOTE FOR. Unions have DESTROYED this countries economy, DESTROYED our industry, driven costs up to levels which are not sustainable in world markets.......I seriously believe either complete economic collapse followed by massive civil unrest is possible within years: or, frankly, a civil war. I honestly think a civil war between communists in the northeast and west coast and capitalists in the midwest is practically inevitable. The democrats are slowing stripping our rights, and destroying this country so that they can remake it in the marxist image.....

I am probably crazy....

Does it just OFFEND THE HELL out of anyone else that we had DEATH PANALS AND BULLSHIT BAMBAM CARE SHOVED DOWN OUR THROATS, AND THERE WAS NO TALKING AT ALL OR DEBATE ABOUT THAT, no republican input on it, and now the dems get to walk away from the state and ignore this, maybe successfully wish it away and keep the state from voting on it?

Oh, again just like the socialists who walked out of early duma meetings in russia at times......

[mriddick]

Truthfully I don't see this as socialist VS capitalist and it's not nearly as bad as pre 1917 Russia. To me this is about promises made by generations before us that could not be kept. It's little different then talking to people about SSI or other federal pensions (military etc...) that are entitlements just as badly if not worse funded. Start a thread about the lie SSI has always been and watch some of those who want to stick it to the teachers do an about face and defend their years of paying as little as 1% of their pay for an entitlement they have been collecting literally thousands of times more in since retirement.

This proposal by the gov of WI is 10% of the hole WI needs to close in the budget, that means the other 90% is coming from the private sector employees. If that's not shared sacrifice I don't know what is. By the numbers it seems fair in that regard. Truthfully I feel the gov is using the issue to attack unions in general more then just fighting to close a budget shortfall, but that's the politics of the issue (same as in Ohio). I'd wish the R's in those states would put aside the general dislike for unions and do more of a Christie or Cuomo type of fix (taking on budget shortfall more then attacking unions) but again that's politics.

[Oswald Bastable]

The unions always seem to be happier with higher taxes, rather than concessions. Perhaps Gov. Walker should propose that instead of the concessions, the legislature pass a special tax on public employment (paid only by public employees)...say, equal to about one and a half times as much as the concessions would be worth in tax savings, to remain in existence until we have a budget surplus. :)

[mriddick]

The unions always seem to be happier with higher taxes, rather than concessions. Perhaps Gov. Walker should propose that instead of the concessions, the legislature pass a special tax on public employment (paid only by public employees)...say, equal to about one and a half times as much as the concessions would be worth in tax savings, to remain in existence until we have a budget surplus. :)

Good idea. At the very least just remove all public guarantees of their pensions and force the members to pay for their own pensions in full (something tells me they don't make enough to pay for their pensions :) ).

[HDR]

As they teach children the teachers in Wisconsin should keep a civil tongue which they aren't.

Some of the "teachers" on TV and radio should be terminated. If they are teachers not bused in union thugs. People who make threats or have public displays of anger should not be near children.
If you don't believe me; ask Child Services.

[samiam]

maybe they should become members of the Teamsters local

[chiak47]

What is really sad is that these are our educated people...Imagine what it will look like when they stop the uneducated money train....

[HDR]

What is really sad is that these are our educated people...

What is even sadder is now we know from watching TV how out of control some of the teachers become when they are upset. We also know that after this is over they will return to teaching our children. I don't want a person who has so little self control as the adult figure in any child's life.

[davepool]

I'd like to see more governors jump on this bandwagon, screw the tax funded unions. Privitize public services and make them compete in the marketplace.
Governor Christie has the right idea about teachers unions

http://dailycaller.com/2010/12/01/new-jersey-governor-chris-christie-blasts-teachers-unions-again-in-washington-d-c-speech/

[shorthair]

I think the school board and the teachers are gonna get sued big time by the parents for "The Field Trip".

I think the teachers should be disciplined for calling in sick then showing up to protest.

[Richard Simmons]

Since the teachers are in essence screwing over the children by not being in the classroom so the schools are calling off classes the governor or whomever should just declare that the spring/Easter vacation is starting early, fire all of the teaching staff and start hiring replacements. As you fill the positions bring the children back to school. If you have to then stay in school until July to get the school year completed so be it, it's the teachers fault not the schools so if that pisses of the parents they know who to blame.

[samiam]

Is the Govenor trying to destroy collective bargaining for all state employees or just the teachers?

[Richard Simmons]

Is the Govenor trying to destroy collective bargaining for all state employees or just the teachers?

It is my understanding that the bill effects all "public employees" but teachers seem to represent the largest segment of those effected. FWIW I read an article yesterday that stated education and libraries make up the largest number of union members.

[Warthogg]

The average salary of WI teachers is $47,000. Annualize that and you get $63,000 - that is, take into consideration that they get almost 3 months off in the summer. .





There are 5.6 million people living in the state of Wisconsin. The state is spending $32 billion per year. That's $5,714 per person. The per-capita income of the state (how much each person living in Wisconsin earns per year) is only $25,000. Thus, the people of Wisconsin are spending 20% of their total income on their state government



Wart

[Warthogg]

It is my understanding that the bill effects all "public employees" but teachers seem to represent the largest segment of those effected. FWIW I read an article yesterday that stated education and libraries make up the largest number of union members.

Yup.......looks like all state employees.


A Republican governor is trying to balance the budget by making state workers give up some of their union privileges
and asking them to begin contributing to their own pensions and paying a bit more for their health care premiums – 12.6%, up from 6%.

Wart

[mriddick]

It is my understanding that the bill effects all "public employees" but teachers seem to represent the largest segment of those effected. FWIW I read an article yesterday that stated education and libraries make up the largest number of union members.

State police, LEO and firemen unions are exempt from what I've heard.

[Oswald Bastable]

State police, LEO and firemen unions are exempt from what I've heard.

I believe they are exempt from the collective bargaining part of it, but will still be expected to contribute to their pensions and insurance.

[Krupski]

I'm in Wisconsin and you should hear the wailing and gnashing of teeth going on around here. Socilist temper tantrums. Kids at the high school staged a walkout to support the teachers. My daughter said fuck that and stayed in class :) These teachers make more than my wife and I put together and still they cry. They are getting a glimpse of the real world, and boy does it scare them.

Sorry... off topic.. but I like your avatar! http://www.gunsnet.net/customavatars/avatar339_2.gif

Fallout 3! :thumbsup:

[Krupski]

You guys are terrible. This "race to the bottom" in smashing down unions and good wages/benefits is what's destroying this country and turning it into a Third World shit-hole. Unions don't just benefit those belonging to them, they boost EVERY workers wages, as private sector employers have to offer similar wages to compete for and attract skilled workers.

I'm sure if the Republicans had their way, every skilled worker would be making minimum wage without benefits... until they abolished the minimum wage as well, then we could all try living on $2 a day like some other countries that ban unions. YAY!

Well said... and very true. Sadly, all the non-union people who get paid for shit, have to call their boss "sir" and worry every Friday if they're next to get laid off are just jealous. It's called "sour grapes".

Unions WOULDN'T EXIST if they didn't HAVE TO.

[old Grump]

Union activists are waving placards showing Walker with a superimposed cross hairs over his face and other signs comparing him to various and sundry fascist and communist dictators. In Lacrosse some of them pounded on the governors car but nobody go shot, so much for him being a Stalin or Hitler.

In the meantime in the saner portion of the state two of the defecting Senators have had paperwork filed to get them recalled. Me thinks that maybe some of those senators claiming to be doing it for the people are doing ti for the headlines and should just keep on going, maybe to France or Greece where they know about strikes. See how well that works out for them. They could call it a fact finding tour and I think the state should pay for their ticket over there...one way.

[Tiredofit]

Apparently some doctors came out to the protest with pre signed sick notes. The teacher can fill in there own name and date. WTF, those doctors should be jailed.

[Richard Simmons]

Well said... and very true. Sadly, all the non-union people who get paid for shit, have to call their boss "sir" and worry every Friday if they're next to get laid off are just jealous. It's called "sour grapes".

Unions WOULDN'T EXIST if they didn't HAVE TO.

Interesting. Most people don't belong to a union, in fact membership is in decline so what need there may have been for unions seems to have gone by the wayside. Also most folks don't get "pad for shit" in fact I'd wager a fair number of us on this forum make a fine living. Calling one's boss sir or ma'am is a sign of respect and proper upbringing. If you can't manage that you probably lack any number of other manners and social skills. Lastly if you're used to worrying about having a job at the end of the week then that pretty much says it all right there. Either you truely lack skills worthy of employment or haven't held a private sector job before. I'm guessing both of those apply in your case.

[Ruskiegunlover]

OOOOO! Us poor 'scabs' have to work fridays? Meaning, you socialist pieces of shit don't even have to do THAT? By God, you're right! Why should union members have to work 8 hour days, 5 days a week! Thats so unfair! AND you don't get paid 100,000 a year for only working 32 hours a week! How absolutely horrible! Man, thiose capitalist pigs in charge are truly evil!

[Tiredofit]

One of the angry union teachers was screaming at a Fox reporter. She was screaming about how the unions were the ones who gave us weekends off and 8 HR work days. I was laughing to myself as I get ready to work my 12hr shift on Sunday, guess I didn't get the memo.

[Krupski]

Calling one's boss sir or ma'am is a sign of respect and proper upbringing. If you can't manage that you probably lack any number of other manners and social skills.

Respect is earned, not conferred. I always address a male that I don't know who is my age or older as "sir" (or female as "ma'am"). It's not so much "respect" as it is a need to use a polite and generic title for a person I don't know. "Hey you" doesn't quite cut it. :)

A person that I DO know casually I will address as "Mr. XXX" or "Mrs. XXX". A person I know well I address by first name.

Just because some person is one's "boss" does not automatically confer on them the necessity to respect them.

I've had many supervisors ("bosses") who were incompetent blithering assholes. I had zero respect for them and I would resign before I addressed them as "sir".

In the mid 1980's I had an engineering job at a medical products manufacturer. The president and owner's name was "Frank Smith" (not really Smith). Everyone used to address him as "Mr. Smith". Except... guess who?

One day I had my head buried inside a machine I was working on and the owner was walking through. Everyone got nervous and said "Good morning Mr. Smith" as he walked by. When he got to me I looked up and said "Oh, Hi Frank".

All the production girls gasped at my sin. But Frank just said "Good morning Roger" and kept on walking.

If he wanted me to call him "Mr." or "Sir" then he would have to do likewise for me. Just because he married into money and bought the company doesn't entitle him to automatic "respect".

Am I an arrogant asshole? You bet I am... and damn proud of it. :)

[LAGC]

One of the angry union teachers was screaming at a Fox reporter. She was screaming about how the unions were the ones who gave us weekends off and 8 HR work days. I was laughing to myself as I get ready to work my 12hr shift on Sunday, guess I didn't get the memo.

I think the point is that if you work more than 80 hours in 2 weeks, you have to be paid for over-time. The 40-hour (give or take) work week you can thank unions for. Whether its five 8-hour days, four 10-hour days, or three-to-four 12-hour days every other week, the principle applies.

There was a time not too terribly long ago where working six 12-hour days (dawn to dusk) wasn't that uncommon. With only Sunday for rest. You can thank the labor movement for changing that.

[chiak47]

There was a time not too terribly long ago where working six 12-hour days (dawn to dusk) wasn't that uncommon. With only Sunday for rest. You can thank the labor movement for changing that.

I work 5 12hr nights and guess what...I'd do it for straight time if I had to. The government had no dog in that fight.