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old Grump
02-21-2011, 04:57 PM
Thursday, 10th February 2011

That fine blogger Elder of Ziyon (http://elderofziyon.blogspot.com/2011/02/palestine-papers-jews-legally-own-land.html) has a great scoop in the shape of a ‘Palestine Paper’ that the Guardian unaccountably chose not to reveal. The PLO, no less, recorded the legal rights of Jews to land they owned prior to 1948 -- some of which they had bought from the Arabs -- in areas now considered beyond the 1967 border (in reality, the 1948 ceasefire lines; Israel has never had proper ‘borders’ because the war of extermination against it has never actually ended). Elder writes:

...in 2008 the PLO wrote a paper (http://www.ajtransparency.com/en/document/3369)describing the legal rights of Jews to lands that they owned prior to 1948.The intent was to have a position ready in case Israel brought the issue up in negotiations. It was not presented to Israel.


It is astonishing to read paragraphs like these from the PLO:
Jews who owned land have the right to have their land restored to them or to be compensated, if restitution is not materially possible. Jews are entitled to compensation for other material and non-material losses, including lost profits, lost income, etc. caused by their displacement and dispossession.


Some of the parts are fascinating. For example, it describes (and implicitly supports) the bigoted British policy of severely restricting the rights of Jews - and only Jews - to buy land before 1948...

It was of course Jews -- and only Jews -- to whom the British had a legal obligation under the Mandate to settle throughout Palestine -- including in the very same ‘occupied’ territories that the British, who tore up their treaty obligations to the Jews, now claim ad nauseam Israel is occupying illegally. Elder continues:

Between 1948 and 1967, Jordan and Egypt essentially confiscated Jewish-owned land, against international humanitarian law... Finally, the document describes some specific lands indisputably owned by Jews - even according to the Palestinian Arabs.

[L]and located on Mount Scopus...was purchased from a British national in 1916. Boris Goldberg, a member of Lovers of Zion, paid for the land and took title in his name.51 He gifted the land to the JNF, which gave a 999-year lease to Hebrew University.52 Additional land was purchased on Mount Scopus from Raghib al-Nashashibi, Mayor of Jerusalem, and was used for the Hebrew University. Hadassah Hospital was also built on land purchased on Mount Scopus.

...By 1946, the JNF acquired 72,300 dunums in the Gaza district, which encompassed more than present-day Gaza.

In 1930, a Jewish farmer from Rehovot, Tuvia Miller, bought 262 dunums of land in Dayr al-Balah in the Gaza sub-district. Miller eventually sold his land to the JNF in the early 1940s. The JNF then allowed settlers from the religious Ha-Poel ha-Mizrahi movement to build the kibbutz of Kfar Darom on the land in October 1946. They abandoned the kibbutz in June 1948.59

Stein reports a purchase of 4,048 dunums in Huj (Gaza sub-district) in 1935 but does not indicate the identity of the Jewish purchaser.60 Note, however, that the Palestine Partition Commission reported that, by 1938, only 3,300 dunums in Gaza were owned by Jews. 61 In 1941, 6,373 dunums were purchased by the JNF around Gaza City, though it is unknown whether the purchase was permissible under the Land Transfer Regulations 1940.

The government of Palestine estimated a population of 3,540 Jews in the Gaza sub-district at the end of 1946. Information has not been found on the circumstances under which these Jews departed from Gaza in 1948.

Anyone like to hazard a guess?
Would all those shrieking ‘illegal’ at Israel over the ‘settlements’ care to, uh, synchronise their statements with the Palestinians? Or is it one law for everyone but another altogether for the Jews?
Don't all answer at once.


http://www.spectator.co.uk/melaniephillips/6689680/the-palestine-paper-that-got-away.thtml
Somebody please explain to me how its all the Jews fault and how they are the big bullies when they are in their ancestral homeland outnumbered 1.5 billion Muslims to 4.9 million Jews. Israel has 7.7 million people but 20% are Arabs who are more prosperous then their neighbors in the Arab countries surrounding them. The teeny pin headed simple minded morons who think all the worlds problems are in Jerusalem and not Mecca should be castrated to get them out of the gene pool.

HDR
02-21-2011, 05:32 PM
OG,
Facts do not matter only agenda does.

American Rage
02-21-2011, 06:35 PM
OG,
Facts do not matter only agenda does.

Yep, and the agenda is to wipe Israel off the map, forever.

Oh, we're next.


Rage

swampdragon
03-05-2011, 05:19 AM
Somebody please explain to me how its all the Jews fault and how they are the big bullies when they are in their ancestral homeland outnumbered 1.5 billion Muslims to 4.9 million Jews. Israel has 7.7 million people but 20% are Arabs who are more prosperous then their neighbors in the Arab countries surrounding them. The teeny pin headed simple minded morons who think all the worlds problems are in Jerusalem and not Mecca should be castrated to get them out of the gene pool.

This is an easy question Grump.
It's not about the Jews, it's about the Zionists.
Two different animals completely.

Jews and Muslims lived together just fine prior to Zionism.
Hell man, in the First Crusade, the Jews and Muslims fought "together" on the same side against the Christians who were slaughtering Jews and Muslims alike wholesale.

Jews admitted full well that Palestine belonged to the Arabs.
Jews also admitted full well that the Torah itself expressly and completely forbade any man-made Nation of Israel.
Religiously, the Jews were to remain in exile until the MESSIAH returned and once again gave them a Nation of their own...("if" they remained faithful and obedient while in exile.)

Until then however, they were to live amongst the other tribes of the world and follow the laws of their perspective rulers where ever they happened to be.
Doing anything other than that, is a direct violation of the Word of the Judaic God.
Jews knew this.
Muslims knew this too.
They agreed and lived in relative harmony for centuries.

In the early 1900's, Zionism came about.
It was presented in neatly wrapped packages with pretty pink bows on it.
The idea was promoted and sold to many Jews as well as the world at large.
"If you were a true Jew, then you needed a nation of your own...and anybody saying otherwise is anti-Semitic."
"Pssssst!" "Pass it on."

Well, it is self-evident that there are a couple problems here right away from day one:

1) Jews aren't supposed to be building a Jewish Nation at all while in exile.

2) Even if the Jews did have to do the physical labor themselves...Where is the Messiah? God didn't tell them to do this. That's why so many other Jews all around the world today still protest against Zionism.
They find the entire idea of building a Jewish Nation to be in total contempt of God's commands and law. Therefor, just begging for even MORE misfortune to be brought on an already exiled people. Pouring gasoline on the fire will not help extinguish it.

3) Worse yet, the Zionists decided to build their new Nation on land not their own...with or without the blessing of the Arabs.
This was deemed nothing more than the Zionists directly slapping Arabs square in the face for centuries of hospitality and even helping to protect them against invading Christians too.

4) At the end of the day, the entire conflict between Arabs and Jews "IS" the fault of the Zionists.
But one must be extremely careful never to fall for the flawed idea that Zionism actually represents all Jews.
It doesn't, and never has.

Zionism is a political idea, not a religious one, and never has been despite what the Zionists want to tell you.
If it was based in the Word of their God...then how is it that it only came along in the 1900's?

5) When Zionist leaders of Israel say things like this, then there is no doubt left at all that they created the entire mess...not the Arabs.
And "we" are calling the wrong group of people thieves, war-mongers who don't want peace, liars and terrorists....



We came to this country which was already populated by Arabs, and we are establishing a Hebrew, that is, a Jewish state here. Jewish villages were built in the place of Arab villages. You do not even know the names of these Arab villages, and I do not blame you, because those geography books no longer exist. Not only do the books not exist, the Arab villages are not there either. Nahalal arose in the place of Malalul; Givat in the place of Jibta; Sarid in the place of Haneifa, and Kfar Yehoshua in the place of Tell Shamon. There is not one place built in this country that did not have a former Arab population. --Moshe Dayan, addressing the Technion, Haifa (Haaretz, April 4th, 1969)--



"We must use terror, assassination, intimidation, land confiscation, and the cutting of all social services to rid the Galilee of its Arab population."
-David Ben-Gurion, May 1948, to the General Staff.
From Ben-Gurion, A Biography, by Michael Ben-Zohar, Delacorte, New York 1978



"If I was an Arab leader I would never make [peace] with Israel. That is natural: we have taken their country." --Israel Koenig, "The Koenig Memorandum"--



The "sole way" for Jews to deal with Arabs in Palestine was through "total avoidance of all attempts to arrive at a settlement"-which Jabotinsky euphemistically termed the "iron wall" approach. Not coincidentally, a picture of Jabotinsky graced Prime Minister Ariel Sharon's desk.
-Radical Zionist Ze'ev Jabotinsky-- spiritual father of not only of Israeli Prime Minister Menachem Begin but of Brooklyn Rabbi Meir Kahane--1923