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slamfire51
03-01-2011, 07:49 PM
I was up in the attic today looking for other stuff when I found this (Maxim MG ammo box) I bought several years ago. 7.62x54R
Can is marked "SA" on the lid, leather carry handle, and the links are in pristine condition.
Just thought I'd share it with those who have never seen one.

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c80/Canis-latrans/box1.jpg
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c80/Canis-latrans/link2.jpg
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c80/Canis-latrans/link1.jpg

Penguin
03-02-2011, 07:48 AM
I have a couple of russian ones that are the same design. The belt sure throws me though. I have lots of belts but I have never seen one like that before.

abpt1
03-02-2011, 07:59 AM
pkm?

slamfire51
03-02-2011, 08:07 AM
The 7,62x54R Nikitin PN machine gun, from pre-production batch made in 1960 for final troops trials. This gun was almost adopted by Soviet army but then mysteriously lost final trials to Kalashnikov PK.



http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c80/Canis-latrans/pk_pn.jpg

sam03
03-02-2011, 08:27 AM
That sick.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c80/Canis-latrans/pk_pn.jpg[/QUOTE]

Penguin
03-02-2011, 06:57 PM
Those do not apear to be PKM belts. They look different, it is my understanding that the PKM belts are the same as the old Maxim ones, which was one ofthe reasons it was adopted. The 250 round belts I have that came in Maxim cans have long feeding tabs on both ends of the belts too, longer than my other PKM ones.

slamfire51
03-02-2011, 07:15 PM
Those do not apear to be PKM belts. They look different, it is my understanding that the PKM belts are the same as the old Maxim ones, which was one ofthe reasons it was adopted. The 250 round belts I have that came in Maxim cans have long feeding tabs on both ends of the belts too, longer than my other PKM ones.

I'm thinking the belts are different for the PKM. The 1st belt I posted is for the Maxim and the PN. My links had no feeding tabs. Hmmm......

Here's a stock pic of the belt for the PKM. Different indeed.

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c80/Canis-latrans/762x54rrussianPKM__58596_zoom.jpg

Penguin
03-02-2011, 07:34 PM
I'm thinking the belts are different for the PKM. The 1st belt I posted is for the Maxim and the PN. My links had no feeding tabs. Hmmm......

Here's a stock pic of the belt for the PKM. Different indeed.

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c80/Canis-latrans/762x54rrussianPKM__58596_zoom.jpg

That looks like the belts I have. I am curious how a PN belt would end up in a Finish ammo can. I don't think the PN ever went any where beyond the protype stage. So I have no idea why Finland would have belts for them if they never used them.

slamfire51
03-02-2011, 07:37 PM
That looks like the belts I have. I am curious how a PN belt would end up in a Finish ammo can. I don't think the PN ever went any where beyond the protype stage. So I have no idea why Finland would have belts for them if they never used them.

I'm no expert by any means, but didn't the Finns use the Maxim?

Penguin
03-02-2011, 07:49 PM
I'm no expert by any means, but didn't the Finns use the Maxim?

They did but I doubt the PN protypes would have ever been seen outside of Russia much less used by another country.

I have done some digging. The PN did indeed use a different belt than the Maxim and SGM and the PKM which came latter. So it would have had a different type of belt. Interistingly enough the PN pushed the bullets though the belt as opposed to pulling them out. Which would be some feat for a rimmed round. From the one picture of it I have found the belts look different but different from what you have.

It would apear that the Finns used a different type of Maxim belt. This comes from a picture of another Finish can with a belt. http://www.gunsofliberty.com/gol_photos/maxim_mg_set-3.jpg Acording the their site, http://www.gunsofliberty.com/gol_reenactors_ussr.htm it is a Maxim ammo belt. So I am guessing the Finns just had a different kind of belt for what ever reason. It makes me wonder if that style would run though a PKM. But I think that is the answer to the mystery.

slamfire51
03-02-2011, 08:02 PM
What is the difference between that and the one I posted?

Just to be clear, I referred to the PN as being a Russian prototype, which was not adopted by anyone I know of. The PK was adopted by the Russians.

Penguin
03-02-2011, 08:16 PM
What is the difference between that and the one I posted?

Just to be clear, I referred to the PN as being a Russian prototype, which was not adopted by anyone I know of. The PK was adopted by the Russians.

It looks to me that the belt you have is shaped a bit different than the PKM ones I have. The PKM belts I have have little wire links holding the sections together. 7 to be precise. The Finish ones I can't tell how the links are held together. Also on the PKM belts the part that holds the sections together end at about the top of the shoulder of the cartridge, then there is a ring that the is above that that loops around the neck of the cartridge. On the Finnish ones it apears to me that the flat part that holds the sections together goes all the way up to the top ring of the belt. It also looks like more of the cartridge case is covered with the Finnish belts. On the PKM belts on one side a fair amount of the cartridge case is visable. Those apear to be the major differences to me.

slamfire51
03-02-2011, 08:36 PM
Interesting. I wasn't able to see the belt very well.
Here's a closer look at mine.

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c80/Canis-latrans/link2-1.jpg