obongo - what IF the truth came out?

[Mark Ducati]

Here's a wet dream for ya... what IF the truth came out about obongo's birth place? That is... what IF it were actually proven that he was not qualified to be the POTUS in the first place?

Would that nullify any laws that he signed while in office?

What if the truth came out in the last half of his presidency... would it be grounds for immediate impeachment?

[printerman]

Perhaps they would gather up all the puppets in special session and have a vote to see what should happen . Those in opposition would be "told" what their opinion is and their families would remain safe . Tactics probably haven't come down to this yet , but ....

[mriddick]

I'd say even if it came out he was born in Africa legally little might come of it, I bet it would be looked at as a technocality attempting to knock him out of office regardless of the will of the people. Remember Nationalized citizen is even a debatable term to some.

Politically you'd see the right wing freak out, congress having all sorts of hearings, and the like. I'd bet in the end the democratic party establishment would take the hit when it was done, even if Obama was seen as justified by the people.

[Krupski]

Here's a wet dream for ya... what IF the truth came out about obongo's birth place? That is... what IF it were actually proven that he was not qualified to be the POTUS in the first place?

Would that nullify any laws that he signed while in office?

What if the truth came out in the last half of his presidency... would it be grounds for immediate impeachment?

NOTHING would happen. Obongo would sit in his office and laugh.

It would be political suicide (if not outright suicide) for any politician or judge to rule against "The Chosen One".

All he would need to do is get a clever lawyer who knows how to play the race card to it's fullest and he would win.

Then, his opponents would end up like the "Friends Of Bill"... found dead with three gunshots to the back of the head - ruled a suicide.

[Krupski]

Perhaps they would gather up all the puppets in special session and have a vote to see what should happen . Those in opposition would be "told" what their opinion is and their families would remain safe . Tactics probably haven't come down to this yet , but ....

I'm sure those tactics have been used in the past, ARE being used in the present and always will be used.

People who think "OUR" government is above using the dirtiest and nastiest tricks in the book are naive.

[Krupski]

I'd say even if it came out he was born in Africa legally little might come of it..

Translation: American law and the US Constitution, in reality, mean nothing.

[old Grump]

Translation: American law and the US Constitution, in reality, mean nothing.

Or as I read in an opinion of a judge who once again tossed out a lawsuit presented by several people, some presidential candidates among them, "The will of the people was that Barack Obama was chosen by a majority and he would not disappoint them." or words to that effect. It's been awhile since I read it but that was the gist of his argument for not hearing the case.

[American Rage]

It would spark a civil war. Many don't give a damn if he's from Mars, all they care about is his socialism. Thus, look for the left to scream that he was "democratically elected," Constitution be damned!!!


Rage

[mriddick]

I think it would depend a lot on how the info came out and what the events were that lead up to the event. Early on when the questions first came up and the reaction amongst the Obama loyalist was to fight it (VS ignoring it as has been the chosen path) you had some pretty smart (although liberal ) legal minds come out saying such things as naturalized citizen is open to debate. It would depend on how his state determines it, what original intent was, etc... I can see a story line where Obama went to his states AG and got a secret ruling that he was able to be President or some other matter that would put the whole thing into court for some time. Granted at this point you'd have the President, party, state and even federal employees caught in various lies (the BC presented for instance) that would open up even more court challenges. So everything could be in court for a long if he didn't resign first. The worse part of this is Biden (if he wasn't forced to resign) would be President, and no one I believe is dumber then that guy...

Basically it's an exercise if fantasy, some are just holding onto the hope he's not one of us when by all creditable accounts he is...

[chiak47]

some are just holding onto the hope he's not one of us when by all creditable accounts he is...

By all due respect...What creditable accounts?

He is systematically leading this nation to slaughter and all he has to show that he is an American is some fucked BC from Hawaii and a newspaper clipping announcing his birth.
School records are sealed or missing.
No real employment records other than University Of Chicago where his fellow professors ousted him as a phony.
Basically he has no paper trail.

Nada nothing...He is a fucking fraud and he is destroying our nation.

[mriddick]

By all due respect...What creditable accounts?

He is systematically leading this nation to slaughter and all he has to show that he is an American is some fucked BC from Hawaii and a newspaper clipping announcing his birth.
School records are sealed or missing.
No real employment records other than University Of Chicago where his fellow professors ousted him as a phony.
Basically he has no paper trail.

Nada nothing...He is a fucking fraud and he is destroying our nation.
And what 54% of the population voted for him, welcome to the Republic :)

He's held no real job, welcome to Washington on that one also :) I have an old class mate who's a very liberal Rep from northern Ohio, he's never held any real job I know of either, I think that's actually quite common on the left to just do gov't work from cradle to grave.

As for Obama more then likely you've been given more "proof" of his citizenship then any other Preisdent you've ever lived under, lets face it I can't remember when anyone taken anything more then a "he grew up here, went to school" as proof (and I bet I'm older then you). Atleast with Obama I've actually seen the birth announcements :) While it ain't much it's more then the "other side" has come up... I still think the whole BC scam is just a ruse to make the right look like a bunch of nuts, maybe there is something bigger he's hiding but with all the people shouting at town halls to see his BC no one will ever look if there is anything else of real value he's hiding.

[chiak47]

And what 54% of the population voted for him, welcome to the Republic :)

He's held no real job, welcome to Washington on that one also :) I have an old class mate who's a very liberal Rep from northern Ohio, he's never held any real job I know of either, I think that's actually quite common on the left to just do gov't work from cradle to grave.

As for Obama more then likely you've been given more "proof" of his citizenship then any other Preisdent you've ever lived under, lets face it I can't remember when anyone taken anything more then a "he grew up here, went to school" as proof (and I bet I'm older then you). Atleast with Obama I've actually seen the birth announcements :) While it ain't much it's more then the "other side" has come up... I still think the whole BC scam is just a ruse to make the right look like a bunch of nuts, maybe there is something bigger he's hiding but with all the people shouting at town halls to see his BC no one will ever look if there is anything else, of real value he's hiding.

Bullshit...
GW had his records smeared all over the place.

What I meant as far as employment records was the fact that there are none from when he worked at the University Of Chicago...No tax forms...Nothing.

The fuck stinks to high heaven...He is a fraud and you have wool over your eyes.

[mriddick]

Bullshit...
GW had his records smeared all over the place.

What I meant as far as employment records was the fact that there are none from when he worked at the University Of Chicago...No tax forms...Nothing.

The fuck stinks to high heaven...He is a fraud and you have wool over your eyes.
I take sarcasm isn't one of your strong suits, but I personally can't remember anyone ever showing a BC of GWB, an announcement of his birth or anything from the time before he was 18... As far as I know his life began about the time he got to drinking age :)

But I'm willing to listen to your proof, so far it's either Obama is a lucky idiot (believable but not really proof) or varying degrees of coverups from 1961 to 2008 but no one has come up with anything conculsive I've been able to read.

[chiak47]

But I'm willing to listen to your proof, so far it's either Obama is a lucky idiot (believable but not really proof) or varying degrees of coverups from 1961 to 2008 but no one has come up with anything conculsive I've been able to read.

So it's easier for you to write off your fellow conservatives than it is for you to admit that there is something wrong with this guy and his past.

[El Jefe]

Barry is hiding something, all the sealed records make that quite clear. If it's his birth place status or something else I'm not sure, but Barry obviously has a few skeletons in his closet that he doesn't want the public to know about.

We know there are people out there looking, there always is. I can't believe that Fox wouldn't break the story if they could prove that Barry was born in Africa or Indonesia. Suspicion is one thing, proof another.

[mriddick]

So it's easier for you to write off your fellow conservatives than it is for you to admit that there is something wrong with this guy and his past.No I'm saying constitutionally the benefit of doubt is given to the individual, your hunches don't equal proof. And that doesn't even touch on what we've gone over here in the last few days in that there's probably more proof/a better story the support the born in America story then not.

Even in the conspricy theory realm the story is better for Obama just using the birthers to make the right look bad then what it take to plan for him to go from Africa to President. You have the aspect of people looking like fools repeating the same unproven lines at every town hall and meeting which the left is just using to discredit the entire right. If you come up with proof I'd be glad to hear it, as I would welcome Obama going bye bye but until you get some proof you got to realize being the left wing tool isn't helping...

The issue isn't if whether we want Obama to go, the questions should be is this line of inquiry going anwhere and is it helping.


Barry is hiding something, all the sealed records make that quite clear. If it's his birth place status or something else I'm not sure, but Barry obviously has a few skeletons in his closet that he doesn't want the public to know about.

We know there are people out there looking, there always is. I can't believe that Fox wouldn't break the story if they could prove that Barry was born in Africa or Indonesia. Suspicion is one thing, proof another.

I've touched on this, there might actually be something in his past that could get him in trouble (the troubling school years for one) but with the birthers sucking the oxygen out of every meeting there's no push in what might be the real direction of investagation. In the past people would put forth theories and in the abstance of proof consider it unproven and go looking for something else, I'm afraid Barry has given the birthers just enough to hold them in place like a puppet so they never go on to see whats under the next rock.

[ATAK, Inc.]

To me, the whole 'birther' thing is iffy at best. The point that sticks with me is he attending school in Indonasia, where you have to be adopted to a citizen in order to attend.

What is his true citizenship?

If he was adopted by Sotero, how can he be eligible for POTUS?

Or is it that you started out a US citizen, so no matter what happens while you are a child, you stay a US citizen?

How can that be? Or am I missing something really simple here.

[renegadebuck]

I take sarcasm isn't one of your strong suits, but I personally can't remember anyone ever showing a BC of GWB, an announcement of his birth or anything from the time before he was 18... As far as I know his life began about the time he got to drinking age :)

But I'm willing to listen to your proof, so far it's either Obama is a lucky idiot (believable but not really proof) or varying degrees of coverups from 1961 to 2008 but no one has come up with anything conculsive I've been able to read.

How about this for a start. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwhKu...layer_embedded

[JVD]

How about this for a start. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwhKu...layer_embedded

re-link please? it got corrupted when you copy/pasted methinks.

[Mark Ducati]

Proof? Exactly!

I can't believe that some hospital clerk hasn't snuck into the records room and made a copy for the world to see... the rags would pay big bucks for a true copy. Then again, maybe barry has already paid off folks to get the originals?

[yankeedog]

It will come out, after hes out of office in 2012.
Still waiting for my free health care Mr savior?

[dfariswheel]

The idea that Obama was not born in America is about as dead a dead letter as you can get.
This was sealed when the original Honolulu newspaper public record section published his birth announcement on the day he was born.
Now, unless you believe in time travel it's not possible to come up with a method by which any number of sources had that issue of the paper on microfilm showing this. also got "fixed". Too many sources eliminates funny stuff.
Granted, it might be possible to "fix" one source, but there are too many sources with copies of the paper for that day with the birth announcement.
Fact is, Obama WAS born in Hawaii on that date.

The only possible way he's not an American citizen is if his mother was not 18 years old by his birth date.
Conspiracy theories can be fun, but not when they are completely out of the realm of possibility.

With that said, what would happen if TODAY proof positive was produced that he's not a citizen.
Congress, being under Dim control would stall while the Republicans would demand impeachment. The press would try to protect him, but remember, the press mostly wants a nice story about conflict and dispute, so the MSM would soon start to press for hearings too.
As soon as the new congress takes office early next year with at least a much larger Republican presence if not control, the House would have no choice but to start impeachment hearings. Even the most rabid Dims would have no choice.
Remember, they DID impeach Clinton and Clinton was liked a WHOLE LOT better than Obama is.
Truth is, most Dims don't really like Obama and think he's an ineffectual fool that's now doing more damage to them than good.

With true proof positive, the House would have no choice but to impeach him.
With proof positive, the Senate would gag and choke but would find him guilty and remove him from office.

At which point we'd have (God help us) Joe Biden as President, and probably Nancy Pelosi as Vice President.

Those who think the Dims would ignore proof positive and refuse to remove him from office don't take into account the Blow Torch Effect.
When the press and your own voters are pushing YOUR face into the blow torch, Obama would get shoved over the side damn fast as long as the proof was positive and not arguable.

[chiak47]

This was sealed when the original Honolulu newspaper public record section published his birth announcement on the day he was born.



Does the newspaper smitten of evidence out trump the student visa and foreign status that he had as a student?

[mriddick]

Does the newspaper smitten of evidence out trump the student visa and foreign status that he had as a student?

Please share the the info or link.

[chiak47]

Sorry about the delay..I was eating. I only have a second right now but here is what I found. I know more info is out there.


Please share the the info or link.

Even the huffington post which happens to be a commie rag has ran a story concerning obama's CT issued social security number.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/06/11/obama-social-security-num_n_609299.html

[mriddick]

That article seems to discount some issue birthers have with Obama's supposed SSI number. Did you read the article you linked? It's not supportive of either the birthers or the theory...not that I would of expected the Huffington Post to be probirther :)

I've been googling his student visa information for 3-4 days now and haven't found anything more then your normal allegations based on very little.

[swampdragon]

It's all a ruse. All of it.

The fights between Republicans and Democrats, good Presidents vs bad ones, this group against that one, etc...

It's all design to distract the general public while the totalitarian rich gain more and more power world wide behind the scenes.

It's all a conspiracy man!

It doesn't matter who you vote for. They are just a front.

That's why I haven't been on Face Book since my birthday.
They might know where I am now!

They'll poison your peanut-butter man!

[renegadebuck]

re-link please? it got corrupted when you copy/pasted methinks.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwhKuunp8D8&feature=player_embedded

Hopoefully that will work. It shows Big O in his own words saying he's not an citizen.