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Warthogg
04-15-2011, 05:53 PM
Dimocrats, old Rethuglicans, new Rethuglicans.....makes no difference. Nothing is going to change.

If your congress creature is a Rethug freshman, check below to see their vote.





Published on DickMorris.com on April 15, 2011



Three-quarters of the freshman class of Republican Congressmen - the group that was going to change America - succumbed to party pressure and voted to accept the Boehner sellout deal he struck with President Obama. How disappointing for those of us who worked hard to elect them and vested such hopes for change in their candidacies.

Please go to DickMorris.com for a list of the House freshmen who voted for the Boehner deal - sixty-one of them. The link is in the top left column. Also, please find on our site the names of the 59 men and women of courage and conviction who voted against the sellout compromise.

We cannot read the names of those who folded without a sense of exquisite pain. These were the people who were going to change Washington. Now it is evident that Washington is changing them.

It is not only the paltry nature of the $39 billion in cuts they accepted or even that they broke the basic campaign promise - and premise - on which they were elected, but that they were too frightened to use the lever available to them - shutting down the government. The Republicans would have won that fight. We had hoped that those freshmen who battled the odds so bravely to secure their seats would continue to fight just as vigorously to save America from fiscal ruin, but it was not to be.


Boehner’s Budget Deal: House Roll Call Vote 268








HR 1473 Fiscal 2011 Continuing Appropriations – Passage
April 14, 2011


HOUSE REPUBLICANS WHO VOTED AGAINST (59)



Adams

(FL-24)



Amash

(MI-03)



Bachmann

(MN-06)



Barton, J.

(TX-06)



Blackburn, M.

(TN-07)



Broun

(GA-10)



Chabot

(OH-01)



Chaffetz

(UT-03)



Cravaack

(MN-08)



Duncan, Jeff

(SC-03)



Duncan, John

(TN-02)



Flake

(AZ-06)



Fleming

(LA-04)



Forbes

(VA-04)



Franks, T.

(AZ-02)



Gardner

(CO-04)



Garrett

(NJ-05)



Gowdy

(SC-04)



Graves, T.

(GA-09)



Griffith

(VA-09)



Harris

(MD-01)



Heller

(NV-02)



Huelskamp

(KS-01)



Huizenga

(MI-02)



Hurt

(VA-05)



Johnson, Timothy

(IL-15)



Jordan

(OH-04)



King, S.

(IA-05)



Kingston, J.

(GA-01)



Labrador

(ID-01)



Lamborn

(CO-05)



Long

(MO-07)



Mack

(FL-14)



McClintock

(CA-04)



McCotter

(MI-11)



McHenry

(NC-10)



Miller, C.

(MI-10)



Mulvaney

(SC-05)



Neugebauer

(TX-19)



Paul, Ron

(TX-14)



Pearce

(NM-02)



Pence

(IN-06)



Poe

(TX-02)



Quayle

(AZ-03)



Rehberg

(MT-AL)



Rigell

(VA-02)



Ross, D.

(FL-12)



Schmidt

(OH-02)



Schweikert

(AZ-05)



Scott, T.

(SC-01)



Southerland

(FL-02)



Stutzman

(IN-03)



Tipton

(CO-03)



Walsh

(IL-08)



West, A.

(FL-22)



Wilson, J.

(SC-02)



Yoder

(KS-03)


HOUSE REPUBLICAN FRESHMEN WHO VOTED FOR IT (61)



Martha Roby

(AL-02)



Mo Brooks

(AL-05)



Paul Gosar

(AZ-01)



Rick Crawford

(AR-01)



Tim Griffin

(AR-02)



Steve Womack

(AR-03)



Jeff Denham

(CA-19)



Rich Nugent

(FL-05)



Daniel Webster

(FL-08)



Mario Diaz-Balart, M.

(FL-21)



David Rivera

(FL-25)



Rob Woodall

(GA-07)



Austin Scott

(GA-08)



Robert Dold

(IL-10)



Adam Kinzinger

(IL-11)



Randy Hultgren

(IL-14)



Bobby Schilling

(IL-17)



Todd Rokita

(IN-04)



Larry Bucshon

(IN-08)



Todd Young

(IN-09)



Mike Pompeo

(KS-04)



Jeff Landry

(LA-03)



Dan Benishek

(MI-01)



Tim Walberg

(MI-07)



Alan Nunnelee

(MS-01)



Steven M. Palazzo

(MS-04)



Vicky Hartzler

(MO-04)



Joe Heck

(NV-03)



Frank Guinta

(NH-01)



Charles Bass

(NH-02)



Joe Runyan

(NJ-03)



Michael G. Grimm

(NY-13)



Nan Hayworth

(NY-19)



Chris Gibson

(NY-20)



Richard Hanna

(NY-24)



Ann Marie Buerkle

(NY-25)



Tom Reed

(NY-29)



Renee Ellmers

(NC-02)



Rick Berg

(ND-AL)



Bill Johnson

(OH-06)



Steve Stivers

(OH-15)



James B. Renacci

(OH-16)



Bob Gibbs

(OH-18)



James Lankford

(OK-05)



Mike Kelly

(PA-03)



Patrick Meehan

(PA-07)



Michael G. Fitzpatrick

(PA-08)



Tom Marino

(PA-10)



Lou Barletta

(PA-11)



Kristi Noem

(SD-AL)



Chuck Fleischmann

(TN-03)



Scott DesJarlais

(TN-04)



Diane Black

(TN-06)



Stephen Fincher

(TN-08)



Bill Flores

(TX-17)



Francisco “Quico” Canseco

(TX-23)



Blake Farenthold

(TX-27)



Jaime Herrera Beutler

(WA-03)



David B. McKinley

(WV-01)



Sean P. Duffy

(WI-07)



Reid Ribble

(WI-08)


[source: CQ]

U.S. Senate Roll Call Votes
112th Congress – 1st Session
On Passage of the Bill (H.R. 1473 )
April 14, 2011

REPUBLICAN SENATORS WHO VOTED AGAINST (15)



Coburn

(R-OK)



Crapo

(R-ID)



DeMint

(R-SC)



Ensign

(R-NV)



Graham

(R-SC)



Hatch

(R-UT)



Inhofe

(R-OK)



Johnson

(R-WI)



Lee

(R-UT)



Paul

(R-KY)



Risch

(R-ID)



Rubio

(R-FL)



Shelby

(R-AL)



Toomey

(R-PA)



Vitter

(R-LA)


REPUBLICAN FRESHMAN SENATORS WHO VOTED FOR IT (8)



Boozman

(R-AR)



Kirk

(R-IL)



Coats

(R-IN)



Moran

(R-KS)




Blunt

(R-MO)



Ayotte

(R-NH)



Hoeven

(R-ND)



Portman

(R-OH)

old Grump
04-15-2011, 07:18 PM
You didn't like the deal?

Warthogg
04-15-2011, 07:58 PM
You didn't like the deal?

No....thought the deal was terrible for fiscal conservatives-fiscal libertarians. Clean win for Barry Obama.

(BTW, my freshman congressional creature voted with the Rethug establishment. Yes ol Wart will be at his next town hall meeting. Already talked to his local office and his DC office to let them know my extreme disappointment.)


Wart

Warthogg
04-15-2011, 08:10 PM
In the interest of fairness I should mention one viewpoint contrary to my own and more worthy.

Arthur Laffer, originator of the Laffer Curve*, believes Boehner and the RINO's were correct in accepting Barry porking them and not shutting down the .gov. Laffer says don't rock the boat now, add to the House in 2012, take control of the senate in 2012 and then fight.

Barry may just think this is the strategy because yesterday (?) when he thought the mics were off and all reporters gone he said he would veto anything resembling the Rethuglican plan. (I paraphrase Barry and do not attempt to quote.)


Wart


*The curve suggests that, as taxes increase from low levels, tax revenue collected by the government also increases. It also shows that tax rates increasing after a certain point (T) would cause people not to work as hard or not at all, thereby reducing tax revenue. Eventually, if tax rates reached 100% (the far right of the curve), then all people would choose not to work because everything they earned would go to the government.


Investopedia explains Laffer Curve
Governments would like to be at point T, because it is the point at which the government collects maximum amount of tax revenue while people continue to work hard.

jojo
04-15-2011, 08:38 PM
American Family Radio (AFR) reported that over half of the supposed $39 Billion cuts were programs that were going to expire this year and lose their funding anyway. That's the deceptive part. Politics as usual. Our politicians will only change when their is a sure enough drag em out by the heals / tar n' feather/ head smashing revolution

Warthogg
04-15-2011, 08:46 PM
American Family Radio (AFR) reported that over half of the supposed $39 Billion cuts were programs that were going to expire this year and lose their funding anyway. That's the deceptive part. Politics as usual. Our politicians will only change when their is a sure enough drag em out by the heals / tar n' feather/ head smashing revolution

This.


Wart

old Grump
04-15-2011, 08:58 PM
(http://twitter.com/#%21/rbreich)Robert Reich (http://twitter.com/#%21/rbreich), the former labor secretary under President Bill Clinton, wrote on Twitter: “The right held the U.S. govt hostage, and O paid most of the ransom — inviting more hostage-taking. Next is raising debt ceiling.”


“A go-along, get-along Republican” who “doesn’t have stomach for a fight.” Those were the words used by Tea Party Nation founder Judson Phillips to describe Speaker of the House John Boehner after Boehner cut a deal with Democrats to keep the federal government funded.


Republicans seeking Senate seats in next year’s elections apparently don’t think too much of the budget agreement reached between Democrats and Republicans in Congress last week. An overwhelming majority of more than a dozen candidates contacted by Politico (http://www.politico.com/blogs/davidcatanese/0411/12_Senate_candidates_against_budget_deal.html) expressed opposition to the deal.


“The same regulation*s and taxes end up hurting moderate and small corporatio*ns and businesses*. They're the ones who can't buy loopholes and subsidies like GE did by being Obama's largest contributo*r.


With Congress facing a midnight Friday deadline to pass a federal budget before a partial government shutdown occurs, a new Gallup poll finds Americans rooting for a deal. By 58% to 33%, more Americans want government leaders who share their views on the budget to back a compromise and avert a shutdown rather than hold out for a budget they agree with.

Left didn't like it, Right didn't like it, moderates didn't like it, The public demanded it. Nobody happy but the government continues to chug on. You want real change get over the fact that there are only two political parties, take your cojones and vote for somebody you can believe in no natter what you think his chances of winning are. That is the ONLY way to send a message to congress.

mriddick
04-16-2011, 05:59 AM
American Family Radio (AFR) reported that over half of the supposed $39 Billion cuts were programs that were going to expire this year and lose their funding anyway. That's the deceptive part. Politics as usual. Our politicians will only change when their is a sure enough drag em out by the heals / tar n' feather/ head smashing revolution

Has the government ever given money back? Are you assuming this is the first time extra money that was to be given back was going to be given back? I think this shows just how stupid groups like the AFR and the TEA party are... If it's money the gov't was going to spend and now won't it's a cut IMO.

I don't think the cuts went far enough but unlike groups like the AFR I also know the house would of cut over a trillion dollars this year if they could of got it through the senate, which they couldn't... Truth is the dems are not going to allow cuts, they are betting the next election on this stance and truthfully I don't know if it's a losing position. There's been alot of discussion about what needs to be cut and there's a silence even here that is deafening, I do lot of public political events and I find it amazing that even amongst the most conservative people there's no desire to mess with entitlements. I feel as we get closer to what really needs done most who vote will vote to pass this debt off on another generation... If we want to win this we need to get out and win the public.