AK 47 Trigger Pin Retaining Plate

[RTBArms1603]

If I have a riveted receiver, do I need the
SHEPHERD'S CROOK TRIGGER PIN RETAINING PLATE shown here:

http://www.brownells.com/1/1/48489-ak-47-shepherds-crook-trigger-pin-retaining-plate-shepherds-crook-retaining-plate-vulcan-arms.html

Or could/should I wait until the rivets are removed?

TIA,
RTBArms1603

[Moebrown20]

No need to remove rivets.
You don't need that hook unless: You're building from a flat or the retaining hook has broken.

[FunkyPertwee]

That plate is good if you plan on changing the fire control group, and you don't feel like playing around with the original hook. I've done it both ways and I now theink the plate was kind of worthless. Its not hard to reinstall a regular shepard's hook, and with the plate your FCG comes out if you remove your safety lever.

[RTBArms1603]

Thanks for the quick replies.
I have a G2 Trigger. All my research tells me that is a good TCG.
Correct?
If so, it looks like I'll keep the regular Shepard's Hook.

RTBArms1603

[FunkyPertwee]

Thanks for the quick replies.
I have a G2 Trigger. All my research tells me that is a good TCG.
Correct?
If so, it looks like I'll keep the regular Shepard's Hook.

RTBArms1603

Yep. The Tapco trigger is maybe their last product from the old days. I had good results with one in my SAR-1, and slightly less good results in my Draco. I say forget the plate.

[RTBArms1603]

Thanks!

RTBArms1603

[Krupski]

Thanks for the quick replies.
I have a G2 Trigger. All my research tells me that is a good TCG.
Correct?
If so, it looks like I'll keep the regular Shepard's Hook.

RTBArms1603

I recommend THIS shepherd's hook:

http://three-dog.homelinux.com/images/shepherds-hook.jpg

The reason is that it totally prevents the trigger axis pin from moving or rotating (which will wear out the holes in the receiver).

The flat plate is probably the easiest to use, but it doesn't hold the pins tightly. They won't FALL OUT, but they will rotate in the receiver and wear the holes.

[blobman]

the plate is priceless in my opinion.iv NEVER been able to get the shepherds crook out without destroying it(not saying anybody else cant), i switched out literaklly a half dozen g2's and thibk the plate is the way to go

[RTBArms1603]

I recommend THIS shepherd's hook:

http://three-dog.homelinux.com/images/shepherds-hook.jpg

The reason is that it totally prevents the trigger axis pin from moving or rotating (which will wear out the holes in the receiver).

The flat plate is probably the easiest to use, but it doesn't hold the pins tightly. They won't FALL OUT, but they will rotate in the receiver and wear the holes.

Where is this type available?
I don't think I've ever seen it before.
Can I install it without removing my existing rivets?
Thanks for the reply.
RTBArms1603

[Krupski]

Where is this type available?
I don't think I've ever seen it before.
Can I install it without removing my existing rivets?
Thanks for the reply.
RTBArms1603

That hook is for Bulgarian rifles. Lots of places sell them... SKS-MAN, K-Var, Tapco...

As far as "rivets"... what are you talking about? A stamped AK is riveted together - you do not take the rivets out for any reason.

The shepherd's hook shown above is used to retain the axis pins (pivot pins) for the trigger and hammer. The left side of each pin has a "head" and a "groove" in it. The shepherd's hook engages the "groove" of both axis pins.

Here's a picture I made years ago showing how this shepherd's hook is installed:

http://www.eng.buffalo.edu/~krupski/images/hook.jpg

Make sense?

[Bluntforce]

That plate is good if you plan on changing the fire control group, and you don't feel like playing around with the original hook. I've done it both ways and I now theink the plate was kind of worthless. Its not hard to reinstall a regular shepard's hook, and with the plate your FCG comes out if you remove your safety lever.

My AKs came with a wire that was wound around the safety. They would pop out if you removed the safety. This is what they were.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXjebSTAAPM&feature=feedlik

[O.S.O.K.]

I settled on using e-clips and hairpin clips on my builds. I think 1/32 but to be sure, just take an axis pin with you to the hardware store. They hold tight and are easy to remove when you need to. Also are inexpensive.

[binky59]

the plate is priceless in my opinion.iv NEVER been able to get the shepherds crook out without destroying it(not saying anybody else cant), i switched out literaklly a half dozen g2's and thibk the plate is the way to go

Yep, I changed out three of mine with the Tapco plates, I figure if Tapco made the FCG and the plate, they did it for
a reason. For slow rate of fire I don't think it makes to much of a difference. For rapid fire, the vibration can
dislodge the crook from the groove. And who has an AK that they don't rapid fire?

[abpt1]

I recommend THIS shepherd's hook:

http://three-dog.homelinux.com/images/shepherds-hook.jpg

The reason is that it totally prevents the trigger axis pin from moving or rotating (which will wear out the holes in the receiver).

The flat plate is probably the easiest to use, but it doesn't hold the pins tightly. They won't FALL OUT, but they will rotate in the receiver and wear the holes.

they suck .

[abpt1]

If I have a riveted receiver, do I need the
SHEPHERD'S CROOK TRIGGER PIN RETAINING PLATE shown here:

http://www.brownells.com/1/1/48489-ak-47-shepherds-crook-trigger-pin-retaining-plate-shepherds-crook-retaining-plate-vulcan-arms.html

Or could/should I wait until the rivets are removed?

TIA,
RTBArms1603
These are the best IMHO .

[deth502]

imo, the best way to retain your pins is with the long leg of the safety sear spring, as it comes off the axis of the saftey sear pin.

barring that, ill first say that ive never liked the plates, at all. but the fact that they let the pins rotate, i dont really think is that big of a deal.

[Partisan1983]

I settled on using e-clips and hairpin clips on my builds. I think 1/32 but to be sure, just take an axis pin with you to the hardware store. They hold tight and are easy to remove when you need to. Also are inexpensive.

I use e-clips also. Plus extra fit inside the cleaning kit.