Another "what's wrong with this picture" lesson for those buying AK variants

**imanaknut** · 08-08-2010, 04:08 PM

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=183772623

Half of me wants to explain things to the seller, the other half is so tired of doing it I just don't have the energy anymore.

I will leave this as a puzzle to answer for those just getting into AK collecting before revealing what is wrong.

**Krupski** · 08-08-2010, 04:14 PM

Originally Posted by imanaknut

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=183772623

Half of me wants to explain things to the seller, the other half is so tired of doing it I just don't have the energy anymore.

I will leave this as a puzzle to answer for those just getting into AK collecting before revealing what is wrong.

I'm stumped. I looked it over... Norinco... front sight is right. No evil third pin. WTF could it be? Ah maybe the trunnion rivets? I check my Romy SAR-1 and my Norinco. Pattern is different on the Romy, same on the Norinco.

.......I just spotted it! I know what's wrong!

**cciota** · 08-08-2010, 04:22 PM

States that ban bayonets? I know I'm wrong but it's a guess. This isn't the guy who is giving all the proceeds to buy flip flops for poor African kids, is it?

**imanaknut** · 08-08-2010, 04:25 PM

Originally Posted by cciota

States that ban bayonets? I know I'm wrong but it's a guess. This isn't the guy who is giving all the proceeds to buy flip flops for poor African kids, is it?

You are on the right track with the bayo lugs removed.

**cciota** · 08-08-2010, 04:28 PM

The lug is still there or they never came with lugs? Mind you, I'm just guessing.

**vit** · 08-08-2010, 04:30 PM

I'm guessing 84 has nothing to do with what year it was made? I don't know the chinese well enough.

**imanaknut** · 08-08-2010, 04:42 PM

Originally Posted by vit

I'm guessing 84 has nothing to do with what year it was made? I don't know the chinese well enough.

This is one of the things. That 84 is just the last two digits of the serial number by coincidence. The bayo lug was ground down in an successful effort to get it past ATF for importation just before they fully understood what it was that George Bush the First was illegally trying to stop.

2 of 3 items found. One more is so obvious, yet not.

**Lysander** · 08-08-2010, 04:55 PM

Sling is wrong, should be green canvas not black nylon.

**Full Otto** · 08-08-2010, 04:57 PM

Checkered pistol grip. I'm guessing thumbhole stock has been replaced

**AKTexas** · 08-08-2010, 05:12 PM

Damn if I know.School us oh wise one of the AK...What is the third?

**Blacksmith** · 08-08-2010, 05:18 PM

The slant muzzle device is not correct.

**imanaknut** · 08-08-2010, 05:58 PM

When this rifle arrived in port just as Bush1 started complaining about evil features, some importers convinced ATF that by removing the bayo lug and changing the name would meet the letter of the forthcoming law. ATF allowed several 56S and 84S rifle into the country with just the removal of the bayo lug ears and the changing of the name by adding just 2 numbers. The 56S became the 756S7 and the 84S became the 184S1.

Later after the full Bush1 stupidity was known, some came in with the muzzle device just tack welded in place, the bayo lug removed completely, and that famous Bush-hole stock installed.

Next variation was the NHM90 just before the MAK90 (but not by much). There were many variations on how the bayo lug was removed, and the NHMs had threads under the muzzle "thing" and some very early MAK-90s did as well. Later the muzzle was not threaded, although some had their threads ground down. There are literally too many versions to list all the variations which is why I say the only rules with Chinese AK variants was that there were no rules.

So look at the picture that shows the front trunion on the left side of the receiver and note the name stamped in front of the serial number. To some collectors, this is a fairly rare version, but for some just an unfortunate show of how stupid our government has become in the last 20 couple years.

**cciota** · 08-08-2010, 06:24 PM

Originally Posted by imanaknut

When this rifle arrived in port just as Bush1 started complaining about evil features, some importers convinced ATF that by removing the bayo lug and changing the name would meet the letter of the forthcoming law. ATF allowed several 56S and 84S rifle into the country with just the removal of the bayo lug ears and the changing of the name by adding just 2 numbers. The 56S became the 756S7 and the 84S became the 184S1.

Later after the full Bush1 stupidity was known, some came in with the muzzle device just tack welded in place, the bayo lug removed completely, and that famous Bush-hole stock installed.

Next variation was the NHM90 just before the MAK90 (but not by much). There were many variations on how the bayo lug was removed, and the NHMs had threads under the muzzle "thing" and some very early MAK-90s did as well. Later the muzzle was not threaded, although some had their threads ground down. There are literally too many versions to list all the variations which is why I say the only rules with Chinese AK variants was that there were no rules.

So look at the picture that shows the front trunion on the left side of the receiver and note the name stamped in front of the serial number. To some collectors, this is a fairly rare version, but for some just an unfortunate show of how stupid our government has become in the last 20 couple years.

That is why imanaknut is the man!

**Krupski** · 08-08-2010, 06:46 PM

Originally Posted by cciota

States that ban bayonets? I know I'm wrong but it's a guess. This isn't the guy who is giving all the proceeds to buy flip flops for poor African kids, is it?

States don't ban bayonets, just bayonet lugs (to prevent the epidemic of drive-by knifings that were so prevalent before the ban).

A state like New York has a state level version of the old AWB on the books (almost verbatim) and a rifle with a bayonet lug would be illegal in NYS, EXCEPT if it was preban (that is, pre 9/1994).

**vit** · 08-08-2010, 06:51 PM

I was wondering about the 7's in front and at the back of the model number.

**imanaknut** · 08-08-2010, 06:53 PM

That is true Roger.
The only reason I didn't mention it as something wrong with the listing is that the other things were true falsehoods about the rifle itself with the "7"s added to the name explaining why the bayo lug was the way it was. That was the lesson to those looking to purchase a Norinco AK variant. One really big Gotcha if you want a true pre-ban.

The 84 figuring in his add also was a flag that those looking to buy one should know about because the last 2 digits are part of the serial number. The Chinese didn't begin dating their AK variants until late 1992 and Clinton saw to it that dating the rifles didn't last long.

**whos2kno** · 08-28-2010, 11:26 PM

i learned something today
i had no clue about the numbers before the 56 and after.

thanks
imanaknut

**sglenn** · 08-29-2010, 07:46 AM

IS that the correct PGRIP?

**imanaknut** · 08-29-2010, 09:00 PM

Originally Posted by sglenn

IS that the correct PGRIP?

Good chance it is. I have seen 56S come with both the smooth or the checkered grips. I always wonder how many Chinese variations would have entered this country if George the First wasn't so afraid of the shape of firearms and not the person holding it. And then heir clinton who violated our constitution yet again with the outright ban on them by name.