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    EUGENE, Ore. (AP) — Federal officials arrested a 24-year-old man on charges of firebombing an Oregon mosque last year and said he was motivated by racial hatred following the arrest of a Muslim man accused of plotting to set off a car bomb in Portland.

    Cody Crawford, who has been under investigation since the Corvallis mosque was torched Nov. 28, was arrested Wednesday night at a home in the nearby town Monmouth. Officials said he did not resist arrest.

    Crawford was indicted on charges of damaging religious property for racial reasons, which is a hate crime, and using fire to commit a felony.

    "This was an attack on religious freedom and an attack on the American way of life," said Dwight Holton, U.S. attorney for Oregon.
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    The suspect went on to say: "Christians can jihad too."

    No kidding.

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    Just a quick question do you believe islamic terrorist are good muslims? I've noticed on the liberal news outlets it's very easy for them to label anyone claiming to be a Christian a Christian even if everything they do is against the teachings of Christ. However they will go to great lengths (bringing on experts, religious leaders, etc...) to refute that any islamic terrorist is actually doing their terrorism in the name of Ali. If you are going to hold guys like this up as an example of Christian culture then the average islamic terrorist should be an example of the muslim culture as well.

    My belief is this gut no more a Christian then the average Islamic terrorist is a good muslim, both are screwed in the head and I doubt either is really doing what they do for their religion. However if talking numbers and acts of violence I'd say it's still 1000 to one in favor of the screwed up islamic terrorist...

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    I think the facts presented in the article show more depth than you seem to imply.

    “But Crawford has had frequent run-ins with police. In years past he has been accused of assault, breaking a window when he was in jail, throwing a cup of urine at a deputy, dealing drugs, burglary, criminal trespassing and other crimes.

    Even Crawford's relatives have expressed worry about his behavior. After he was thrown into a county jail in 2009, his sister told a sheriff's deputy he was "delusional," that he "had not been himself lately" and that he said he worked with the CIA, according to a sheriff's office report.

    His mother said last year that Crawford has been diagnosed with high-functioning autism. She declined to comment when reached on her cell phone Thursday.
    In an interview with The Associated Press last December, Crawford said he is "100 percent innocent" of the mosque firebombing, that he's a peaceful person and that he does not dislike Muslims.

    "They're all just normal people. We are all people," Crawford said at the time.”

    I really don’t think this guy was some hardcore believer. He probably is part of some sect, but it is doubtful that was his motive. He most likely got over excited after the bombing with all the coverage, and acted out thinking this was war.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mriddick View Post
    Just a quick question do you believe islamic terrorist are good muslims? I've noticed on the liberal news outlets it's very easy for them to label anyone claiming to be a Christian a Christian even if everything they do is against the teachings of Christ. However they will go to great lengths (bringing on experts, religious leaders, etc...) to refute that any islamic terrorist is actually doing their terrorism in the name of Ali. If you are going to hold guys like this up as an example of Christian culture then the average islamic terrorist should be an example of the muslim culture as well.
    Well, you know, I generally take people at their word. If someone claims to be a Christian or a Muslim, who am I to say they aren't? Moderates like to invoke the No True Scotsman fallacy to try to disown the extremists in their ranks, but if anything, its the extremists who are the TRUE followers of the faith, and the moderates are just watering down the core message, which is:

    "There is no god but Allah."

    ...and...

    "You shall have no other gods before me." -- The First Commandment


    If you take either of those statements seriously, is not the only rational response to be intolerant of those of other faiths?

    (Notice how its never non-believers who go around burning down churches and mosques, just those of different/rival faiths...)

    My belief is this gut no more a Christian then the average Islamic terrorist is a good muslim, both are screwed in the head and I doubt either is really doing what they do for their religion. However if talking numbers and acts of violence I'd say it's still 1000 to one in favor of the screwed up islamic terrorist...
    In recent history perhaps, but if you include the entire history of both religions, Christianity has Islam beat hands down. The Crusades, the Inquisition, the Spanish Conquistadors in the New World... infidels forced to convert to Christianity, by the sword. Of course, Christianity did have a 500-year head-start, so I guess Islam still has 500 years to catch up.

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    What about his past record, or his mental illness?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LAGC View Post


    In recent history perhaps, but if you include the entire history of both religions, Christianity has Islam beat hands down. The Crusades, the Inquisition, the Spanish Conquistadors in the New World... infidels forced to convert to Christianity, by the sword. Of course, Christianity did have a 500-year head-start, so I guess Islam still has 500 years to catch up.
    I think many philosphies go through a violent period, the question might be when and how do they come out of it. IMO there is a difference between the historic church and the modern church, you could say the abuses of the past are the reasons for both the reformation and political limitations imposed on religion in the modern age. In many ways society has found a way to politically limit the church so the sins of the past are not repeated. As I've pointed out with your "religion" (socialism) and islam I'm not sure the same safeguards are there. While in our culture we've learned a single state sponsored all powerful religion is a dangerous and undesirable thing I'm not sure the same applies in muslim (or socialistic) countries. I like to point out to vocal Christian advocates that it's our freedom of (and from) religion that has probably done more to put Christianity back on it's correct path then anything else. IMO I think islam needs to go through the same type of change, even the socialist IMO need to come up with a real plan on how they are going to limit their own from repeating their mistakes if they are to ever overcome their abuses in the last century.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LAGC View Post
    In recent history perhaps, but if you include the entire history of both religions, Christianity has Islam beat hands down. The Crusades, the Inquisition, the Spanish Conquistadors in the New World... infidels forced to convert to Christianity, by the sword. Of course, Christianity did have a 500-year head-start, so I guess Islam still has 500 years to catch up.
    This is a outright lie.

    The Crusades were a counter attack; Islam was beheading Christian Pilgrims that would not convert.

    The Spanish Inquisition was a purge to rid Spain of Islamic collaborators.

    Have you read accounts of Islam's march into central Europe?

    Islam has killed around 80,000,000 Hindus (yea, 80 MILLION) and destroyed something like 6,500 Hindi Temples and replaced them with Mosques. No other so called religion on earth has anywhere close to that record.

    At no time since it's inception has Islam not been at war with non-Muslims.

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    I remember those statues, a shame. Beautiful history lost. Anyway, are you sure about the 80 million? That seems pretty high?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LAGC View Post

    "There is no god but Allah."

    ...and...

    "You shall have no other gods before me." -- The First Commandment


    If you take either of those statements seriously, is not the only rational response to be intolerant of those of other faiths?
    You could make some argument to that effect from the first statement, but not from the second. The operative word being "you", meaning the believer, the person who received the commandment, the one who entered into the arraignment of the covenant to accept it.

    This is why Jews are not evangelists. There is no need to convert others, and thus there is no need to be intolerant of others.



    Quote Originally Posted by El Laton Caliente
    The Crusades were a counter attack; Islam was beheading Christian Pilgrims that would not convert.
    I'm unconvinced of the truth of this statement. A pilgrimage to the holy land was a long and dangerous trip. Most who didn't return likely died from the exertion of the trip. Stories of beheadings that came back to Europe likely have multiple explanations, which likely have nothing to do with the status of a being a pilgrim other than possibly an ignorance of rather strict and complicated laws.


    The Spanish Inquisition was a purge to rid Spain of Islamic collaborators.
    Sorry but that is incorrect, the reasons for the start of the Inquisition are well documented, it was to force Orthodoxy in the church itself. Yes later the frenzy turned towards Jews and Muslims, but the original idea, one that was upheld for the first several years was to keep Catholics from any sort of heretical christian beliefs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kadmos View Post

    This is why Jews are not evangelists.

    Jews are an exclusionary people and religion. One can argue this practice has brought much of the suffering and discrimination down on the Jews. One can also argue without exclusionary principles Jews would not/could not exist/continue to exist as a group.


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    I think this is in order given the OP:

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    Why anyone expects to have a serious discussion with this fool never ceases to amaze me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 308 View Post
    Why anyone expects to have a serious discussion with this fool never ceases to amaze me.
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    Don’t worry, we are just playing around. Think of it like friendly practice game in a controlled environment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Focused Gunfire View Post
    Don’t worry, we are just playing around. Think of it like friendly practice game in a controlled environment.
    You don't know where this "thing" has been.
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    Quote Originally Posted by El Laton Caliente View Post
    This is a outright lie.

    The Crusades were a counter attack; Islam was beheading Christian Pilgrims that would not convert.

    The Spanish Inquisition was a purge to rid Spain of Islamic collaborators.

    Have you read accounts of Islam's march into central Europe?

    Islam has killed around 80,000,000 Hindus (yea, 80 MILLION) and destroyed something like 6,500 Hindi Temples and replaced them with Mosques. No other so called religion on earth has anywhere close to that record.

    At no time since it's inception has Islam not been at war with non-Muslims.
    He subscribes to the SOP of the left. Reinvent history to suit ideology.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mriddick View Post
    I think many philosphies go through a violent period, the question might be when and how do they come out of it. IMO there is a difference between the historic church and the modern church, you could say the abuses of the past are the reasons for both the reformation and political limitations imposed on religion in the modern age. In many ways society has found a way to politically limit the church so the sins of the past are not repeated. As I've pointed out with your "religion" (socialism) and islam I'm not sure the same safeguards are there. While in our culture we've learned a single state sponsored all powerful religion is a dangerous and undesirable thing I'm not sure the same applies in muslim (or socialistic) countries. I like to point out to vocal Christian advocates that it's our freedom of (and from) religion that has probably done more to put Christianity back on it's correct path then anything else. IMO I think islam needs to go through the same type of change, even the socialist IMO need to come up with a real plan on how they are going to limit their own from repeating their mistakes if they are to ever overcome their abuses in the last century.
    You make a very good point. Islam is almost as old as Christianity was when the Enlightenment and Renaissance occurred in Europe. This whole "Arab Spring" movement may be the beginning of Islam's coming out of its own dark ages, and opening up to a new age of reason. I think the key thing though is that this change needs to happen from within, the Western world can't keep waging war on Muslim countries and expect them to come around. It only makes them more resistant to change. They need to evolve on their own, and find their own way to more freedom and tolerance for all.

    As for socialism, I think many European countries lead the way. By instituting democratic safe-guards, we can avoid the excesses of totalitarian one-party states like the old Soviet Union and China today, while still enjoying the bounties that a socialistic system provides for all its people: free health care, social safety net, etc.

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    As for socialism, I think many European countries lead the way. By instituting democratic safe-guards, we can avoid the excesses of totalitarian one-party states like the old Soviet Union and China today, while still enjoying the bounties that a socialistic system provides for all its people: free health care, social safety net, etc.
    What the fuck have you been paying attention to? Socialism has, or is, destroying the west. It may work in a small country for a short while, but eventually it will destroy them, if they don't throw it's shackles off first.

    You obviously are not learning the history lessons being taught in the here and now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jefferson View Post
    What the fuck have you been paying attention to? Socialism has, or is, destroying the west. It may work in a small country for a short while, but eventually it will destroy them, if they don't throw it's shackles off first.

    You obviously are not learning the history lessons being taught in the here and now.
    Oh, c'mon. Don't act like you don't benefit from all the socialism going on in this country right now.

    I bet you use and like the free roads. Wouldn't it suck if you had to pay someone a toll for every road you ever traveled on?

    The fire department is nice when your house catches fire. You don't even have to pay for it.

    And the police? Granted, they can take awhile to show up if you need them, but late is better than never.

    And the military? Isn't it nice that other countries haven't been able to come in and conquer us?

    Your tax dollars at work.

    (Is providing free health care really that much of a stretch?)
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    Well dayum, I used to live 3 blocks from that mosque. It was an odd site in the '80s seeing that blue dome and gold crescent over our town. In spite of a very liberal, tolerant atmosphere throughout the town I learned to hold the local muslim population in a highly suspect light. As a young man with virtuous principles, my profiling a group of people like that DID NOT HAPPEN BY ACCIDENT.
    As to the OP, the perp was a tool. If you believe him to be an example of a typical Christian, you too are a tool.
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