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    12GA FH Shotgun/Rifles-8ga-4ga-585HE-700HE-Etc-

    Back again to post info about 12GA From Hell and all other of our
    big bore testing and experiments.First some pictures of our
    creations, 1st is our 12ga FH case, 2nd Savage 210 it was
    put in first by me,3rd comparison of the 12ga FH and my 700HE
    with a 700NE on left, 4th the big 4bore we have progressed to,
    5th the 6gal pail of water exploding when hit with 12ga 600gr slug at
    3000 fps,6th my 700HE 3.25 in a MRC PH action,
    the first action out of the shop for MRC, 7th
    the Nef we bored out to 8ga FH. 8th 4bore falling block
    we built with a FBW falling block in my 585HE for size comparison.
    .Much more posted later.Ed















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    Wow! I remember following this on the pervious Gunsnet. It still boggles my mind what you've done. Shooting that with any regularity would definitely give you a skeletal realignment and a permanent "Quasimoto" shuffle.
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    The secret it in gun design and weight.
    Like the 4bore is 28lbs, thumbhole stock and thick pad.
    All newbys who have shot it with lighter 11-12,000 ft lb loads
    handle it easy. They say wow what thrill.

    In 2nd picture my 700HE in big action, built
    in the same design of stock. Shoots 15,000
    ft lb loads easy.Ed



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    Recoil- Even single shots can be tamed with weight and good stock.
    Like the NEf we did 8ga in, pictured above. My first NEF in 12GA FH
    in first picture. This gun has done more testing than any others here.
    I tested our long 3.85" case. the 3.5' RMC case, and 3" and 3.5"
    plastic cases with about every slug/sabot imaginable. Then
    a different old syle gun. Like 2nd picture, it is an 1887
    Win with long heavy barrel chambered for12ga FH 3.5" RMC case.
    3rd and 4th pictures, my 700H 3.25" belted case in Enfield boltgun
    and Savage 210. 5th pic,is FBW model L falling block with my
    585HE in it. It may be the first falling block ever to be
    set up in a 1 piece stock, The L is also big enough for
    16GA FH, my 700HE. 20ga barrel switches to it and use the 3.5"
    RMC brass and 3.5 " plastic in it. 20ga Cases and dies in 6th picture.Ed











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    Here is some pictures of a variety of cases, cartridges,
    bullets, we have worked on for a number of years.
    1st is 499HE with cast bullet.
    2nd is 585 Short HE, that headspaces on mouth and
    extractor, works Mausers and other shorter actions.
    3rd is 12GA FH cases we made by putting on a 12ga base cup.
    Most are made with a screwed on rim.
    4th is a 12ga belted case made from 55cal boys brass.
    In picture are boys cases, 12ga belted, our 12gaFH with
    screwedon rim, 3.5" plastic 12ga case.
    I have this setup in a Mossy bolt gun with heavy barrel.
    5th is 4 bore cases, slugs and 2bore.
    Got a 4bore gun done, pictured above , but got to do a 2bore one.
    6th is my 585HE compared to 600OK.
    7th is 8ga brass case with 12ga and 28ga.
    We are boring out heavy barreled 10ga NEFs to 8ga.
    8th is the US-S slug with other 12ga ones we tested.
    It has the green locked on base, setup in 3 weights.
    It works decent in smooth bores..ED















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    Comparison of slug type and speed for accuracy.
    Comparing better 12ga slugs for rifled and smooth.

    The US-S 570gr slug, with
    locked on base does 2-3" groups at 50 yds
    and about 9" at 100yds in heavy barrel.
    At 2000 fps in smooth bore.

    Now a Dixie 600gr slug in rifled barrel at 1300,
    2-3" at 50yds- about 9" at 100yds;
    BUT Dixie at 2000 2-3" at 50 yds and 6" at 100 yds.
    It seems that slower slugs in rifled barrels losing velocity
    gets below the speed of sound at 100 yds which
    affects accuracy. Of course super heavy bullets, like
    12-1500gr, make it harder to start out fast
    enough to be supsonic at longer ranges.


    This accounts for the guys info I posted earlier about his
    high speed in rifled 20ga killing deer at 160 yds.
    And holding tighter groups at longer ranges.
    He kept velocity above the speed of sound
    further down range......Ed

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    Quote Originally Posted by hubel458 View Post
    The secret it in gun design and weight.
    Like the 4bore is 28lbs, thumbhole stock and thick pad.
    Weight is one of the factors needed to figure recoil energy..

    OTOH, after hearing that kabooom and the smoke; how many people trust you when you tell them and offer to let them shoot it? lol

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    So, this would be your basic home defense weapon, right?

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    Talk about an anti-zombie douchebag weapon.

    Wow does it come in green?
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