Baaaad News for Sheep.....

**Warthogg** · 12-03-2011, 05:07 PM

Dimocrats to blame huh.

Just read and see your beloved Rethugs also in action !!

The language of the bill is ambiguous. Also from "Wired" " So despite the Sixth Amendment's guarantee of a right to trial, the Senate bill would let the government lock up any citizen it swears is a terrorist, without the burden of proving its case to an independent judge, and for the lifespan of an amorphous war that conceivably will never end. And because the Senate is using the bill that authorizes funding for the military as its vehicle for this dramatic constitutional claim, it's pretty likely to pass."

Defense Secretary Leon Panetta and CIA Director David Petraeus both say that they are opposed to the bill.

Why then is it being written into the Defense Budget that is very likely to pass?

Who is behind this most brazen attack on the rights of Americans in history?

Senator Carl Levin is the architect of this bill but the two men that are really behind this savaging of American's basic rights are Senators John McCain and Senator Lindsay Graham along with Joe Liebermann

according to InfoWar's Alex Jones. Levin defends the bill by claiming that "The requirement to detain a person in military custody under this section does not extend to citizens of the United States." Still, while the bill would not force the government to try American citizens by military tribunal, it nevertheless would allow them to do so.

Civil libertarians aren't so sure. Sen. Al Franken (D-Minn.) said it "denigrates the very foundations of this country." Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) added, "it puts every single American citizen at risk."

http://www.opednews.com/articles/S-1...11202-678.html

It's all bull shit. The kabuki dance of insanity continues unabated.

Wart

**tank_monkey** · 12-03-2011, 05:32 PM

Originally Posted by Warthogg

Dimocrats to blame huh.

Just read and see your beloved Rethugs also in action !!

It's all bull shit. The kabuki dance of insanity continues unabated.

Wart

All you have is OP ED stuff? Where is the BILL NUMBER? Where is the official vote tally? This stuff should be available online somewhere. Your only info is opinion from other 'opinion sources'? Jeez.

**Warthogg** · 12-03-2011, 05:38 PM

Originally Posted by tank_monkey

All you have is OP ED stuff? Where is the BILL NUMBER? Where is the official vote tally? This stuff should be available online somewhere. Your only info is opinion from other 'opinion sources'? Jeez.

I don't fetch.

Wart

S.1867

**tank_monkey** · 12-03-2011, 05:46 PM

Originally Posted by Warthogg

I don't fetch.

Wart

S.1867

I ask for specifics and that's your answer. How typical.

**El Jefe** · 12-03-2011, 06:00 PM

Yes it's quite typical.

**Warthogg** · 12-03-2011, 06:32 PM

Where is the BILL NUMBER?

Quote Originally Posted by Warthogg View Post
I don't fetch.

Wart

S. 1867

Originally Posted by tank_monkey

I ask for specifics and that's your answer. How typical.

You asked for the Bill NUMBER. Because you are search impaired I provided you the BILL NUMBER.

Wart

**Warthogg** · 12-03-2011, 06:44 PM

Where is the BILL NUMBER?
Quote Originally Posted by Warthogg View Post
I don't fetch.

Wart

S. 1867

Can you see it now ??

Wart

**N/A** · 12-03-2011, 07:03 PM

Try looking thru here...

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquer...ativeData.php|

**davepool** · 12-03-2011, 08:14 PM

Originally Posted by N/A

Try looking thru here...

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquer...ativeData.php|

Thanks for the link, any idea what section of this bill the topic can be found in?

**N/A** · 12-03-2011, 08:21 PM

Originally Posted by davepool

Thanks for the link, any idea what section of this bill the topic can be found in?

Not a clue. I got tired of looking. I may look later. You saw how long the list was?

**davepool** · 12-03-2011, 08:24 PM

yep, i'm going to add the link to my favorates and search later also...right now the BIG TEN championship games is on GO MICHIGAN STATE!!!

**N/A** · 12-03-2011, 08:28 PM

Originally Posted by davepool

yep, i'm going to add the link to my favorates and search later also...right now the BIG TEN championship games is on GO MICHIGAN STATE!!!

Add this one also:

http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/amlaw/lwhbsb.html

**Warthogg** · 12-03-2011, 08:52 PM

FINALLY.

Wart

Grouped by Home State
Alabama: Sessions (R-AL), Yea Shelby (R-AL), Yea
Alaska: Begich (D-AK), Yea Murkowski (R-AK), Yea
Arizona: Kyl (R-AZ), Yea McCain (R-AZ), Yea
Arkansas: Boozman (R-AR), Yea Pryor (D-AR), Yea
California: Boxer (D-CA), Yea Feinstein (D-CA), Yea
Colorado: Bennet (D-CO), Yea Udall (D-CO), Yea
Connecticut: Blumenthal (D-CT), Yea Lieberman (ID-CT), Yea
Delaware: Carper (D-DE), Yea Coons (D-DE), Yea
Florida: Nelson (D-FL), Yea Rubio (R-FL), Yea
Georgia: Chambliss (R-GA), Yea Isakson (R-GA), Yea
Hawaii: Akaka (D-HI), Yea Inouye (D-HI), Yea
Idaho: Crapo (R-ID), Yea Risch (R-ID), Yea
Illinois: Durbin (D-IL), Yea Kirk (R-IL), Yea
Indiana: Coats (R-IN), Yea Lugar (R-IN), Yea
Iowa: Grassley (R-IA), Yea Harkin (D-IA), Nay
Kansas: Moran (R-KS), Yea Roberts (R-KS), Yea
Kentucky: McConnell (R-KY), Yea Paul (R-KY), Nay
Louisiana: Landrieu (D-LA), Yea Vitter (R-LA), Yea
Maine: Collins (R-ME), Yea Snowe (R-ME), Yea
Maryland: Cardin (D-MD), Yea Mikulski (D-MD), Yea
Massachusetts: Brown (R-MA), Yea Kerry (D-MA), Yea
Michigan: Levin (D-MI), Yea Stabenow (D-MI), Yea
Minnesota: Franken (D-MN), Yea Klobuchar (D-MN), Yea
Mississippi: Cochran (R-MS), Yea Wicker (R-MS), Yea
Missouri: Blunt (R-MO), Yea McCaskill (D-MO), Yea
Montana: Baucus (D-MT), Yea Tester (D-MT), Yea
Nebraska: Johanns (R-NE), Yea Nelson (D-NE), Yea
Nevada: Heller (R-NV), Yea Reid (D-NV), Yea
New Hampshire: Ayotte (R-NH), Yea Shaheen (D-NH), Yea
New Jersey: Lautenberg (D-NJ), Yea Menendez (D-NJ), Yea
New Mexico: Bingaman (D-NM), Yea Udall (D-NM), Yea
New York: Gillibrand (D-NY), Yea Schumer (D-NY), Yea
North Carolina: Burr (R-NC), Yea Hagan (D-NC), Yea
North Dakota: Conrad (D-ND), Yea Hoeven (R-ND), Yea
Ohio: Brown (D-OH), Yea Portman (R-OH), Yea
Oklahoma: Coburn (R-OK), Nay Inhofe (R-OK), Yea
Oregon: Merkley (D-OR), Nay Wyden (D-OR), Nay
Pennsylvania: Casey (D-PA), Yea Toomey (R-PA), Yea
Rhode Island: Reed (D-RI), Yea Whitehouse (D-RI), Yea
South Carolina: DeMint (R-SC), Yea Graham (R-SC), Yea
South Dakota: Johnson (D-SD), Yea Thune (R-SD), Yea
Tennessee: Alexander (R-TN), Yea Corker (R-TN), Yea
Texas: Cornyn (R-TX), Yea Hutchison (R-TX), Yea
Utah: Hatch (R-UT), Yea Lee (R-UT), Nay
Vermont: Leahy (D-VT), Yea Sanders (I-VT), Nay
Virginia: Warner (D-VA), Yea Webb (D-VA), Yea
Washington: Cantwell (D-WA), Yea Murray (D-WA), Yea
West Virginia: Manchin (D-WV), Yea Rockefeller (D-WV), Yea
Wisconsin: Johnson (R-WI), Yea Kohl (D-WI), Yea
Wyoming: Barrasso (R-WY), Yea Enzi (R-WY), Yea

NAYs ---7
Coburn (R-OK)
Harkin (D-IA)
Lee (R-UT)
Merkley (D-OR)
Paul (R-KY)
Sanders (I-VT)

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LI...n=1&vote=00218

**Warthogg** · 12-03-2011, 08:53 PM

Originally Posted by davepool

yep, i'm going to add the link to my favorates and search later also...right now the BIG TEN championship games is on GO MICHIGAN STATE!!!

I need OU to beat Oklahoma State to be SURE Alabama gets another shot at LSU. BUT that ain't happening right now.

Wart

**Dr. Gonzo GED** · 12-03-2011, 09:18 PM

They just put the bestiality in there so Barry wouldn't feel guilty performing his "marital duties".

Nyuck nyuck.

**old Grump** · 12-03-2011, 09:33 PM

Originally Posted by Dr. Gonzo GED

They just put the bestiality in there so Barry wouldn't feel guilty performing his "marital duties".

Nyuck nyuck.

That thought and others did cross my mind but some things are best left unsaid

**ak4a1** · 12-03-2011, 11:59 PM

The vote passed by 93 to 7? Seriously? What are they thinking? Maybe theres something they know that we don't cause no one can be that clueless right?

**Focused Gunfire** · 12-04-2011, 01:49 AM

I think we would be better off without them. They both seem to be the problem. Judging from what I know about this, I would say that most of these people had little idea of what was in the bill. So who slipped it in?