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    Moderate Muslims, really?

    A good an interesting piece by a former Muslim.

    My name is Bosch and I’m a recovering Muslim.

    That is, if Muslims don’t kill me for leaving Islam, which it requires them to do. That’s just one of the reasons I’ve been writing and drawing against Islam and its Jihad for a number of years now. But fortunately for us, Islam hasn’t been able to make every Muslim its slave, just as Nazism wasn’t able to turn every German into a Nazi. So there is Islam and there are Muslims. Muslims who take Islam seriously are at war with us and Muslims who don’t aren’t.

    But that doesn’t mean we should consider these reluctant Muslims allies against Jihad. I’ve been around Muslims my entire life and most of them truly don’t care about Islam. The problem I have with many of these essentially non-Muslim Muslims, especially in the middle of this war being waged on us by their more consistent co-religionists, is that they give the enemy cover. They force us to play a game of Muslim Roulette since we can’t tell which Muslim is going to blow himself up until he does. And their indifference about the evil being committed in the name of their religion is a big reason why their reputation is where it is.

    So while I understand that most Muslims are not at war with us, they’ve proven in their silence and inaction against jihad that they’re not on our side either, and there’s nothing we can say or do to change that. We just have to finally accept it and stop expecting them to come around, while doing our best to kill those who are trying to kill us.

    Another problem with Muslims who aren’t very Muslim is that they lead some among us to conclude that they must be practicing a more enlightened form of Islam. They’re not. They’re “practicing” life in non-Muslim countries, where they are free to live as they choose. But their “Islam” is not the Islam. There’s no separate ideology apart from Islam that’s being practiced by these Muslims in name only, there’s no such thing as “Western Islam”.

    Non-observant Muslims are not our problem, but neither are they the solution to our problem. Our problem is Islam and its most consistent practitioners. There is nothing in Islam that stays the hand of Muslims who want to kill non-Muslims. If an individual Muslim is personally peaceful, it’s not because of Islam, it’s because of his individual choice, which is why I often say that your average Muslim is morally superior to Mohammad, to their own religion. The very rare Muslim who helps us against Jihad is acting against his religion, but that doesn’t stop some among us from thinking that his existence somehow means that he represents more than himself.

    The only reason we’re talking about Islam is because it doesn’t mean peace. Islam wasn’t hijacked by a “small minority of extremists” on 9/11, it was hijacked by a very small minority of moderates whose embarrassment in being associated with such an immoderate religion leads them to engage in moderate truth telling about it, proving their irrelevance as allies.

    In addition to these politically active moderates, when you see well-assimilated Muslims in the West, you’re not seeing Islam in action, you’re seeing individuals living up to the old adage, when in Rome, do as the Romans do. They’re essentially post-Islamic Muslims who have rejected Islamic values and have embraced Western ones. But since the process of their assimilation was implicit – as it happened naturally by their exposure to Western, i.e., pro-life, values – both Muslims and non-Muslims alike prefer to generously give Islam some credit for it. But a good Muslim, by our standards is a bad Muslim by Islamic standards. Objectively good human beings, who identify themselves as Muslim, give Islam a good face, one far better then it deserves. This only gives us a false impression about what it is we’re facing, with just another excuse not to face it. And this leads to our acceptance into our culture of stealth jihadists who have figured out how to say what we want to hear, while they scheme behind the scenes to further Islamize the West.

    In the name of distinguishing the enemy from Muslims who mean us no harm, far too many Western commentators have avoided using the name “Islam” for the enemy’s ideology, and instead have decided to create their very own terms for the threat we’re facing, terms that are alien to the enemy. Terms such as:

    Islamic Fundamentalism.

    Islamic Extremism.

    Totalitarian Islam.
    There's much more to the article at the link:http://frontpagemag.com/2011/12/02/n...inst-the-west/
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    Right on the money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1 Patriot-of-many View Post
    Right on the money.
    Yes it is. An uncommon amount of honesty coming from a Euro.
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    There is no moderate Muslim any more than there is moderate cancer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alismith View Post
    There is no moderate Muslim any more than there is moderate cancer.
    Which is pretty much what Bosch is saying.
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    I consider 'all' religious fundamentalist nut jobs. However, I do reserve a special place for Christian fundamentalist nut jobs as they believe the Israelis love them when actually the Israeli's laugh their asses off at their stupidity.


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    Moderate Muslim ... yeah ... right. Right up there with "I promice I won't come in your mouth sweetie".

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    this thread is racist b/c you bully islam with your whiteness and christian capitalism

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    Is this a pic of one of them?
    It's certainly hairy enough...

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    It always repeats itself and it never fails that something will go horribly wrong along the way.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Warthogg View Post
    I consider 'all' religious fundamentalist nut jobs. However, I do reserve a special place for Christian fundamentalist nut jobs as they believe the Israelis love them when actually the Israeli's laugh their asses off at their stupidity.


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    Prove it. Or are you just running your mouth again?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jefferson View Post
    Prove it.
    I don't fetch.....remember ??


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    Quote Originally Posted by Warthogg View Post
    I don't fetch.....remember ??


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    You straight up suck dude. If you can't keep your fucking mouth shut, then at least stay out of the threads I start. I'm getting sick of your BS. You got me bitch?
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    Quote Originally Posted by nitewatcher View Post
    Hey wart been reading your signed copy of MEIN KAMPF again? Or your foreskin acting up again?
    If I had a signed copy of Mein Kampf I would have sold it.


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    This is like arguing about moderate mass murderers vs fundamentalist mass murderers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nitewatcher View Post
    I dont see anything here as racist... I not going to have islam shoved down my throat in the name of "political correctness" muslems hate America & im ok with that
    Maybe joking don't you think ?


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    Quote Originally Posted by nitewatcher View Post
    Hey wart been reading your signed copy of MEIN KAMPF again? Or your foreskin acting up again?


    I'm not a fundamentalist nut job and it is not me who wants to kill the Jews:

    Fundamentalist Christians believe that the Jews will either convert to Christianity or perish in the end times.

    http://newhumanist.org.uk/528/apocalypse-now
    CONVERT OR DIE !Q! Sounds sorta like the Catholic Church and the inquisition.....except worse huh.

    Many fundamentalists are excited by the deepening conflict in the Middle East. As Dwight Gibson, director of the secretariat of the World Evangelical Alliance, notes, the violence "has people thinking, 'Is Christ coming back?'"

    For them, Arab-Israeli conflict is a necessary step towards the second coming of Christ. Unfortunately for Israel, there is an intermediate step, which is called 'Apocalypse' and will take place just outside Jerusalem at 'Armageddon' (a corrupted translation of the Israeli town Megiddo)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jefferson View Post
    You straight up suck dude. If you can't keep your fucking mouth shut, then at least stay out of the threads I start. I'm getting sick of your BS. You got me bitch?
    Good evening Jefferson. How are you feeling this evening ??


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    Quote Originally Posted by Jefferson View Post
    Prove it. Or are you just running your mouth again?
    So, it's fine for you to assert that every Muslim is a wackjob...that isn't just running your mouth?

    But when he says he considers all religious fundamentalists nut jobs, then this is wrong?

    Seems to me you both have an opinion, neither of which are based on or require proof.

    If anything his is the more mild assertion, as he asserts that only the fundamentalists are nut jobs, not all members.

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