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    New research from NASA into the Earth's paleoclimate history indicates we could be facing rapid climate change this century, including sea level rises of many meters.

    And while international leaders have suggested a goal of limiting global warming to two degrees Celsius from pre-industrial times, Goddard Institute for Space Studies director James E Hansen says that even this would lead to drastic changes.

    The Earth's average global surface temperature has already risen by 0.8 degrees Celsius since 1880, says Hansen, and is now increasing by more than 0.1 degree Celsius every decade.

    At the current rate of fossil fuel burning, the concentration of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere will have doubled from pre-industrial times by the middle of this century, causing an eventual warming of several degrees, he says.

    Hansen and his colleague Makiko Sato compared the climate of today, the Holocene, with previous similar interglacial epochs. By studying cores from both ice sheets and deep ocean sediments, they found that global mean temperatures during the Eemian period, which began about 130,000 years ago and lasted about 15,000 years, were less than one degree Celsius warmer than today.

    If temperatures were to rise two degrees Celsius over pre-industrial times, global mean temperature would far exceed that of the Eemian, when sea level was four to six meters higher than today, says Hansen.
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    Of course, fossil-fuels have nothing to do with it...

    I just feel sorry for you poor fools who live in Texas and down south. If you think the recent drought is bad, wait another decade and see what happens.

    Meanwhile...

    NOAA Chief: 2011 Weather Was "Harbinger of Things to Come"

    SAN FRANCISCO -- The United States was battered this year by at least 12 natural disasters that each caused at least $1 billion in damages, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration said yesterday.

    The agency said it was adding a June tornado outbreak in the Midwest and Southeast and record-setting wildfires in Texas, Arizona and New Mexico to a list that also includes flooding along the Missouri and Mississippi rivers, drought in the Southern Plains and southwestern United States, five previous tornado outbreaks in Southern and central states, and a blizzard.

    That count could still rise, because NOAA is still tallying damages from Tropical Storm Lee and a late October snowstorm in the Northeast.

    But this year was not an aberration, NOAA Administrator Jane Lubchenco said during a speech here yesterday.

    The seemingly endless onslaught of floods, droughts, wildfires, windstorms, blizzards and tornadoes that have marked 2011 fit within an ongoing increase in the number of natural disasters recorded in the United States, she said, citing statistics maintained by reinsurer Munich Re.

    And at least some of that increase appears to be driven by climate change, Lubchenco said, citing a recent report by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change.
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    Climate change deniers can keep their heads in the sand, but eventually the damage caused by all the increased natural disasters will affect them. The economic damage caused by extreme weather events alone will far exceed the costs of implementing a serious carbon tax, and soon.
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    Enjoy paying your Carbon Tax thanks to that HOAX.
    I sold all my guns and ammo, now I live the quiet retired life.

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    Climategate 2.0A
    new batch of leaked emails again shows some leading scientists trying to smear opponents..


    Last week, 5,000 files of private email correspondence among several of the world's top climate scientists were anonymously leaked onto the Internet. Like the first "climategate" leak of 2009, the latest release shows top scientists in the field fudging data, conspiring to bully and silence opponents, and displaying far less certainty about the reliability of anthropogenic global warming theory in private than they ever admit in public.

    The scientists include men like Michael Mann of Penn State University and Phil Jones of the University of East Anglia, both of whose reports inform what President Obama has called "the gold standard" of international climate science, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC).

    The new release of emails was timed to coincide with the second anniversary of the original climategate leak and with the upcoming United Nations climate summit in Durban, South Africa. And it has already stirred strong emotions. To Rep. Ed Markey (D., Mass.), for example, the leaker or leakers responsible are attempting to "sabotage the international climate talks" and should be identified and brought "to justice."

    One might sympathize with Mr. Markey's outrage if, say, the emails were maliciously rewritten or invented. But at least one scientist involved—Mr. Mann—has confirmed that the emails are genuine, as were the first batch released two years ago. So any malfeasance revealed therein ought to be blamed on the scientists who wrote them, rather than on the whistleblower who exposed them.

    Consider an email written by Mr. Mann in August 2007. "I have been talking w/ folks in the states about finding an investigative journalist to investigate and expose McIntyre, and his thus far unexplored connections with fossil fuel interests. Perhaps the same needs to be done w/ this Keenan guy." Doug Keenan is a skeptic and gadfly of the climate-change establishment. Steve McIntyre is the tenacious Canadian ex-mining engineer whose dogged research helped expose flaws in Mr. Mann's "hockey stick" graph of global temperatures.

    One can understand Mr. Mann's irritation. His hockey stick, which purported to demonstrate the link between man-made carbon emissions and catastrophic global warming, was the central pillar of the IPCC's 2001 Third Assessment Report, and it brought him near-legendary status in his community. Naturally he wanted to put Mr. McIntyre in his place.

    The sensible way to do so is to prove Mr. McIntyre wrong using facts and evidence and improved data. Instead the email reveals Mr. Mann casting about for a way to smear him. If the case for man-made global warming is really as strong as the so-called consensus claims it is, why do the climategate emails show scientists attempting to stamp out dissenting points of view? Why must they manipulate data, such as Mr. Jones's infamous effort (revealed in the first batch of climategate emails) to "hide the decline," deliberately concealing an inconvenient divergence, post-1960, between real-world, observed temperature data and scientists' preferred proxies derived from analyzing tree rings?

    This is the real significance of the climategate emails. They show that major scientists who inform the IPCC can't be trusted to stick to the science and avoid political activism. This, in turn, has very worrying implications for the major international policy decisions adopted on the basis of their research.

    That brings us to the motives of the person calling himself "FOIA" who leaked the emails onto the Internet last week.

    In his introductory notes, he writes: "Over 2.5 billion people live on less than $2 a day. Every day nearly 16,000 children die from hunger and related causes. One dollar can save a life. . . . Poverty is a death sentence. Nations must invest $37 trillion in energy technologies by 2030 to stabilize greenhouse gas emissions at sustainable levels. Today's decisions should be based on all the information we can get, not on hiding the decline."

    For the service he has performed in pursuit of this larger end, FOIA deserves not opprobrium but gratitude.

    Mr. Delingpole is a contributing editor of the Spectator and author of "Watermelons: The Green Movement's True Colors" (Publius Books, 2011).
    This is far worse than the first email dump... lieing about supporting data, cherry picking data, smearing peer reviewers, smearing opposing views and cover up... the farce is over.

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    Whats sort of funny is going by the models some have put out the North America would do better under climate change then most of the world. Canada and the US might be the big winners if climate change actually comes true, China Europe and Africa might actually lose. We would be in effect paying a tax to keep us down and helping the growing populations of the world continue on their disasterous paths of over populating their areas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mriddick View Post
    Whats sort of funny is going by the models some have put out the North America would do better under climate change then most of the world. Canada and the US might be the big winners if climate change actually comes true, China Europe and Africa might actually lose. We would be in effect paying a tax to keep us down and helping the growing populations of the world continue on their disasterous paths of over populating their areas.
    That is true. Much of Canada and Alaska becomes farm land under a warming period. The mid-west and the high plains become two and three crop a year areas. The last warm period had agiculture in Greenland.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LAGC View Post
    "Of course, fossil-fuels have nothing to do with it"
    The most/only intelligent thing you've said in...... forever

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    Those idiots actually believe that they can "limiting global warming to two degrees Celsius from pre-industrial times"?

    How? With carbon credits to enrichen the likes of hoaxter/huckster gore?

    The fact is, and I guess this is news to the global elite, mankind has very little if any control over environmental swings.

    What fools and anybody that swallows that tripe is a bigger fool.

    The earth as been warming steadily since the late 1700's - the end of the "little ice age". And it has little to do with our activities.
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    Quote Originally Posted by O.S.O.K. View Post
    The earth as been warming steadily since the late 1700's - the end of the "little ice age". And it has little to do with our activities.
    Really? You don't find it odd that ice core samples show much faster warming over the past 200 years than in any 200-year time frame prior?

    It's true that the Earth cools and warms, but its happening a lot faster than it should be this time around.

    Do you really believe there is a grand conspiracy by scientists from across the spectrum, trying to oppress the "poor" oil and coal companies?
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    Did you even look at my post from the Wall Street Journal? This new email dump has completely discredited all the core "science" behind AGW.

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    Big climate change could happen fast -- and soon
    True. We may slip into a mini-ice age.


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    Quote Originally Posted by El Laton Caliente View Post
    Did you even look at my post from the Wall Street Journal? This new email dump has completely discredited all the core "science" behind AGW.
    Sure... like the Wall Street Journal doesn't have a bias in maintaining the status quo.

    See: "ClimateGate" Debunked
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    Wikipedia is completely unreliable for anything political like AGW...

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    Quote Originally Posted by El Laton Caliente View Post
    Wikipedia is completely unreliable for anything political like AGW...
    How so? Because all the facts (that are all sourced, BTW) don't agree with the crap anti-science outlets like Murdoch's News Corp subsidiaries (like the WSJ) churn out?

    The cool thing about Wikipedia is that if any information is incorrect, YOU can fix it. You just better be able to source your assertions, or your changes will be promptly undone.

    Take for example:

    Six committees investigated the allegations and published reports, finding no evidence of fraud or scientific misconduct.[14] The Muir Russell report stated, however, "We do find that there has been a consistent pattern of failing to display the proper degree of openness, both on the part of CRU scientists and on the part of the UEA."[15][16] The scientific consensus that global warming is occurring as a result of human activity remained unchanged at the end of the investigations.[17]
    Do you deny the bipartisan investigations found "ClimateGate" to be nothing but hot-air?
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    That Wiki piece is just spin on the 2009 Climate Gate I, this email dump is MUCH more explicit. We are talking Climate Gate II this time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LAGC View Post
    Climate change deniers can keep their heads in the sand, but eventually the damage caused by all the increased natural disasters will affect them.
    The climate IS changing. But it has absolutely nothing to do with human activity. The power output of the sun goes through a very long period sinusoidal change and we are currently on an upswing. More solar energy = warmer planet.

    The earth has been MUCH warmer and MUCH colder than it is now and life did just fine.

    By the way, the global temperature measurements of several planets such as Mars and Neptune also show a warming trend. Could global warming on Mars be due to us burning fossil fuels? How about Neptune? It's pretty far away... I doubt our CO2 emissions are affecting Neptune!
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    Quote Originally Posted by LAGC View Post
    Sure... like the Wall Street Journal doesn't have a bias in maintaining the status quo.

    See: "ClimateGate" Debunked
    The WSJ has nothing to do with the information, they are simlply relaying it. Where have you been? The emails showing how much of what they say is fabricated came out a while ago, one would imagine it would enlighten some people but I guess not.

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    OK LAGC, perhaps you could tell us just what percentage of global carbon emissions are even man-made? I know the answer, just want to give you the opportunity for a rare bit of intellectual honesty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by El Laton Caliente View Post
    That Wiki piece is just spin on the 2009 Climate Gate I, this email dump is MUCH more explicit. We are talking Climate Gate II this time.
    And this "second dump" (from the same "well' as it were) is just a credible as the first dump -- a dump of crapola.
    "That tyranny has all the vices both of democracy and oligarchy is evident. As of oligarchy so of tyranny, the end is wealth; (for by wealth only can the tyrant maintain either his guard or his luxury). Both mistrust the people, and therefore deprive them of their arms." -- Aristotle, Book V, 350 B.C.E

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    Only the principles have verified that the emails are theirs. They did that on the first dump, but just claimed they were misinterpreted. These leave no doubt.

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