Not life as it exists today.Originally Posted by Krupski
The rise of temperature on those planets hasn't been anywhere near as acute as Earth's has. And that should be alarming.By the way, the global temperature measurements of several planets such as Mars and Neptune also show a warming trend. Could global warming on Mars be due to us burning fossil fuels? How about Neptune? It's pretty far away... I doubt our CO2 emissions are affecting Neptune!
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SURE... as if the Wall Street Journal didn't put a right-wing spin on everytihng and cherry-pick conservative-friendly articles for its "fine" publication.
No agenda there at all. No money flowing in from Big Oil companies or the coal industry interested in maintaining the status quo of "business as usual"...
"That tyranny has all the vices both of democracy and oligarchy is evident. As of oligarchy so of tyranny, the end is wealth; (for by wealth only can the tyrant maintain either his guard or his luxury). Both mistrust the people, and therefore deprive them of their arms." -- Aristotle, Book V, 350 B.C.E
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So tell me, when scientists are analyzing these ice core samples and they show much higher levels of greenhouse gases during times the temperature is higher, and much FASTER growth in both greenhouse gases and temperatures over the last 200 years, we shouldn't think anything of it? These levels that are much higher than at any time during the last 800,000 years, the period for which reliable data has been extracted from said ice cores?
Or is it all really just one big conspiracy? Spear-headed by NASA, none-the-less.
"That tyranny has all the vices both of democracy and oligarchy is evident. As of oligarchy so of tyranny, the end is wealth; (for by wealth only can the tyrant maintain either his guard or his luxury). Both mistrust the people, and therefore deprive them of their arms." -- Aristotle, Book V, 350 B.C.E
Mars and Neptune... Lets think about how much farther these two are from the sun, Earth is 149,600km, Mars is 227,940km, and Neptune is 4,504,300km from the sun. Also throw in there that Mars atmosphere is 95% CO2. Now tell me what all of this means??? Does Mercury and Venus have a greater rise in temps than earth?
Your arguements demonstrate one thing, you only believe in what you want to believe, as long as it fits within the liberal doctrine.
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Then take your pic of the numerous other sites and agencies that reported on it, they all showed the same problem.
With all the talk about the oceans rising, with all the talk about the ice caps which have all but vanished, and the great glaciers which have retreated into nothingness, why is Miami beach still where it is??? Why hasn't Fort Lauderdale or Hollywood beach become fish habitats?
Why is Malibu beach and all the other great beaches in California still above water????
With all the melting that has gone on, why aren't we totally flooded out???
Oh wait, water expands when it freezes taking up more space, so when it melts, it contracts and with the great balances built into this earth that man can do nothing to truly change, the ocean levels have not changed one single bit.
More lies from a government bent on control.
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Was that "thank you sir, may i please have another" i just heard?
Edit: Oh, by the way...
Set the dates to run from 1998 to 2011 and see what you get.
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History has a severe case of stuttering complicated by chronic hiccups.
It always repeats itself and it never fails that something will go horribly wrong along the way.
Direct democracy is a gang rape. Eight men vote to rape one woman and the woman has to accept it because the majority decided that it was ok. A constitutional republic on the other hand is eight men and one woman with a full mag. Think about it for a while until it hurts your head.
Certainly a big change going on here lately, very noticeable, it's cold as a witches tit out!
It's called weather and seasonal weather. You know man, like it gets wet when it rains, it gets hot when the sun shines, it gets cold in the winter .............. ah forget it. We are doomed, doomed run for the hills and ... oh wait that won't work, the air pollution will kill you and if you go down the hill the floods will drown you and if you go underground the methane will suffocate you and if. Aw forget it, we are all dead, might as well get drunk and make a bonfire out of Al Gores house and the tires from his limo.
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You didn't actually even try to answer my question. Typical dodging of the facts. The correct answer: Between 1% an 3% of greenhouse gases are man-made. The other 97-99% are part of the natural cycle. Even a slight change in the natural greenhouse exchange-- and the historical record shows there have been many, and we have been in the midst of one for about the past 300 years-- has a far greater impact on the environment than anything we have done.
Translation: "The data does not match my thesis, thus it is invalid."
You might have a future ahead of you as a liberal-backed climatologist.
You know, there comes a point when there is just so much overwhelming consensus amongst scientists -- and don't kid yourself, there is OVERWHELMING consensus -- that bullshit denialist conspiracy theories should just be rejected outright, on sheer principle alone. Just like all the anti-science religious kooks who still deny that evolution is true, despite overwhelming evidence of the contrary, from MANY different scientific fields.
Why such a narrow window? Leave the default year to 1895 to 2011 and what do you get? The over-all trend is UP, UP, UP.Edit: Oh, by the way...
Set the dates to run from 1998 to 2011 and see what you get.
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The last few years were abnormally cool, but some yearly natural variation is to be expected. But with all the heat records broken this summer, I bet once the January 2012 numbers come in, we will set a new record, again, just like we did in 1998, 2002, and 2006 -- the hottest years on record, all happening within the past 15 years.
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"That tyranny has all the vices both of democracy and oligarchy is evident. As of oligarchy so of tyranny, the end is wealth; (for by wealth only can the tyrant maintain either his guard or his luxury). Both mistrust the people, and therefore deprive them of their arms." -- Aristotle, Book V, 350 B.C.E
One of the side-effects of climate change are weather extremes -- hotter summers, colder winters -- as the moderating forces of the ocean-currents get fucked with, due to melting ice-caps.
I still haven't heard anyone explain why the glaciers at Glacier National Park in Montana have practically disappeared, from their former magnificent glories just 50 years ago.
"That tyranny has all the vices both of democracy and oligarchy is evident. As of oligarchy so of tyranny, the end is wealth; (for by wealth only can the tyrant maintain either his guard or his luxury). Both mistrust the people, and therefore deprive them of their arms." -- Aristotle, Book V, 350 B.C.E
Global warming caused the end of the last ice age. That's one theory anyway. No word on what caused that stretch of global warming though.
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Why is Greenland covered with glaciers? It was lush and green in recent history. What happened to the lush farmland of northern Africa that existed in Roman times?
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Oh really? How recent history is that? Even during the last interglacial period (130,000–116,000 years ago), when temperatures were on average 5 °C (9 °F) higher than now, scientists figure the glaciers on Greenland did not completely melt away.
A better question might be: why is Greenland called "Green-" and Iceland called "Ice-"? Obviously the early sea-faring pioneers didn't venture very far inland or they might have swapped the names around.
Uh, it dried up and turned into parched desert, which has been expanding even faster in recent decades than it has over the 1800 years prior. Desertification is a big problem in Africa.What happened to the lush farmland of northern Africa that existed in Roman times?
Indeed, whats ironic is, the folks who will likely be hurt most by climate change are the folks in Africa and the Middle East who contribute the least greenhouse gases. Guess God has a weird sense of humor.
"That tyranny has all the vices both of democracy and oligarchy is evident. As of oligarchy so of tyranny, the end is wealth; (for by wealth only can the tyrant maintain either his guard or his luxury). Both mistrust the people, and therefore deprive them of their arms." -- Aristotle, Book V, 350 B.C.E
It's what glaciers do, they shrink, they grow. Think about it, massive streams of water have been coming off those things for hundreds of years, eventually they tend to get smaller.
Some are kept sort of stable by winter growth, which by your own argument might increase now with colder winters, or melt with hotter summers, or maybe just balance out.
I'm not one of the people who is going to say global climate change isn't happening, of course it's happening, it's always been happening, we have ice ages and thaws, marshes turn into forests, then into deserts, then get swamped.
Just because something got named glacier park in 1910 doesn't mean it will always have glaciers no matter what we do, those glaciers have been basically in a state of retreat for 12,000 years. Do they speed up the retreat near the end? I don't know, maybe?
Yeah we have pictures of them retreating for the last 100 years and it is dramatic, but what did the retreat of the previous hundred years look like..or the 100 before that?
What are we to make of the Antarctic ice, which most say is growing and holds 90% of the worlds frozen water? Does that counteract global warming, is the percent of ice the same but just shifting position?
We live on a planet of major climatic change and violent weather, we can't expect that it is going to stay the same, it will change, even the parks where we try to "preserve" features we find that we cannot, the land will change whether we want it to or not.
Even the best meant intentions can go wrong, trying to keep to many deer in a park by hunting predators meant the deer raveged the plantlife, then starved, stop hunting the predators and the game runs out.
Even on the "mega" scale work the problem backwards and see if it makes sense. Ok we have to much carbon in the air, yes people make carbon, but really the vast overwhelming bulk of it is from rotting vegetation, animal life, and mold/mushrooms. So...if you really want to decrease carbon what makes the most sense?
It's obvious, cut down trees. Remove the trees, turn them into lumber so they don't rot, the lower rate of oxygen will mean less mold/mushroom growth as they eat oxygen and put out carbon.
So really the absolute best way to end this problem is to simply destroy all vegetation and animal life and make sure it doesn't rot...problem solved
Well the 99% and all their libtard minions believe this they need to act on this and save the earth by self elimination.
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