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    Palestinians angry over Gingrich’s ‘invented’ people comment

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    Saturday, December 10, 2011

    JERUSALEM — Palestinian officials are reacting with dismay to Republican presidential hopeful Newt Gingrich’s statement that they are an “invented” people.

    In the interview, he says President Barack Obama’s effort to treat Palestinians as the same as the Israelis is “favoring the terrorists.”

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...ented-people-/
    Well Boo hoo, I'm not a Gingrich man but on this I agree with him all the way.

    So send another missile into a shopping mall, blow up another child or woman or shoot up another school bus you pusillanimous terrorist pukes and then ask me for sympathy and understanding. Get mad you stupid dipshits, you kill each other off as fast as you do Israerlites and you ask for us to respect your humanity, your identity, your rights as a people. When your leaders stop acting like a pack of dogs with distemper come back and try again.

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    Origin of the Name Palestine

    Where did the name Palestine come from?

    The name Palestine refers to a region of the eastern Mediterranean coast from the sea to the Jordan valley and from the southern Negev desert to the Galilee lake region in the north. The word itself derives from “Plesheth”, a name that appears frequently in the Bible and has come into English as “Philistine”. Plesheth, (root palash) was a general term meaning rolling or migratory. This referred to the Philistine’s invasion and conquest of the coast from the sea. The Philistines were not Arabs nor even Semites, they were most closely related to the Greeks originating from Asia Minor and Greek localities. They did not speak Arabic. They had no connection, ethnic, linguistic or historical with Arabia or Arabs.

    The Philistines reached the southern coast of Israel in several waves. One group arrived in the pre-patriarchal period and settled south of Beersheba in Gerar where they came into conflict with Abraham, Isaac and Ishmael. Another group, coming from Crete after being repulsed from an attempted invasion of Egypt by Rameses III in 1194 BCE, seized the southern coastal area, where they founded five settlements (Gaza, Ascalon, Ashdod, Ekron and Gat). In the Persian and Greek periods, foreign settlers – chiefly from the Mediterranean islands – overran the Philistine districts.

    From the fifth century BC, following the historian Herodotus, Greeks called the eastern coast of the Mediterranean “the Philistine Syria” using the Greek language form of the name. In AD 135, after putting down the Bar Kochba revolt, the second major Jewish revolt against Rome, the Emperor Hadrian wanted to blot out the name of the Roman “Provincia Judaea” and so renamed it “Provincia Syria Palaestina”, the Latin version of the Greek name and the first use of the name as an administrative unit. The name “Provincia Syria Palaestina” was later shortened to Palaestina, from which the modern, anglicized “Palestine” is derived.

    This remained the situation until the end of the fourth century, when in the wake of a general imperial reorganization Palestine became three Palestines: First, Second, and Third. This configuration is believed to have persisted into the seventh century, the time of the Persian and Muslim conquests.

    The Christian Crusaders employed the word Palestine to refer to the general region of the “three Palestines.” After the fall of the crusader kingdom, Palestine was no longer an official designation. The name, however, continued to be used informally for the lands on both sides of the Jordan River. The Ottoman Turks, who were non-Arabs but religious Muslims, ruled the area for 400 years (1517-1917). Under Ottoman rule, the Palestine region was attached administratively to the province of Damascus and ruled from Istanbul. The name Palestine was revived after the fall of the Ottoman Empire in World War I and applied to the territory in this region that was placed under the British Mandate for Palestine.

    The name “Falastin” that Arabs today use for “Palestine” is not an Arabic name. It is the Arab pronunciation of the Roman “Palaestina”. Quoting Golda Meir:

    •The British chose to call the land they mandated Palestine, and the Arabs picked it up as their nation’s supposed ancient name, though they couldn’t even pronounce it correctly and turned it into Falastin a fictional entity. [In an article by Sarah Honig, Jerusalem Post, November 25, 1995]

    http://www.palestinefacts.org/pf_ear...ame_origin.php
    They didn't exist until Yasser Arafat invented them in the 1960's...

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    Yep they are invented, name wise.

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    A lot has been said about ole' Newt, but what you can't say is he's "politically correct".

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    Anything that pisses off the Palestinians is a plus for me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by El Laton Caliente View Post
    They didn't exist until Yasser Arafat invented them in the 1960's...
    My Bible must be in error then.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Krupski View Post
    My Bible must be in error then.....
    No just your interpretation, Palestine is an area but there were no Palestinian tribe or people. The bloody Romans waged a war of genocide and robbery against the Jews of the area and Hadrian renamed Judea Palestine. The name stuck but there were no Palestinians.

    The Hebrew term Pelesheth, which refers to the land of the ancient Philistines—Philistia—is erroneously translated in the King James Version as “Palestina” in Exodus 15:14 and in Isaiah 14:29 and 31, and as “Palestine” in Joel 3:4. The New King James Version correctly reads “Philistia”—the land of the Philistines—in every case noted above.

    When the Jews returned in 1917 the population was estimated at about 650,000 permanent residents. Only 65% were Islamic. After the Jews established their nation in 1948 The Arabs were drawn to this territory but not till the Jews dramatically improved agricultural production via irrigation and modern agriculture.

    The so called Palestinian peoples are a lie, a bloody lie, a damn lie and a big whopping lie.

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    Quote Originally Posted by old Grump View Post
    No just your interpretation, Palestine is an area but there were no Palestinian tribe or people. The bloody Romans waged a war of genocide and robbery against the Jews of the area and Hadrian renamed Judea Palestine. The name stuck but there were no Palestinians.

    The Hebrew term Pelesheth, which refers to the land of the ancient Philistines—Philistia—is erroneously translated in the King James Version as “Palestina” in Exodus 15:14 and in Isaiah 14:29 and 31, and as “Palestine” in Joel 3:4. The New King James Version correctly reads “Philistia”—the land of the Philistines—in every case noted above.

    When the Jews returned in 1917 the population was estimated at about 650,000 permanent residents. Only 65% were Islamic. After the Jews established their nation in 1948 The Arabs were drawn to this territory but not till the Jews dramatically improved agricultural production via irrigation and modern agriculture.

    The so called Palestinian peoples are a lie, a bloody lie, a damn lie and a big whopping lie.
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    The venue of Newt's comments should be noted. Newt was being interviewed on the Jewish Channel.

    Had Newt been interviewed on the Muslim channel, I expect the holocaust would have been irrelevant.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Krupski View Post
    My Bible must be in error then.....
    Your Bible refers to Philistines who were Greek based people. The modern "Palestinians" are Arab.

    The area of Israel was VERY sparcly populated around 1870. When the Zionists first started the movement back in around 1880 they were welcomed. They bought land, or claimed unused land and started irrigated farming and orchards. By the early 1900's these farms had grown such that the local population could not do all the labor involved. Workers from Syria, Egypt and Jordan came for the jobs. It was these migrant workers that were not allowed to re-enter their countries after the 1948 war that became the bulk of the population now refered to as Palestinians. Yasser Arafat was Egyptian.

    Most of the indiginous population became Israeli Citizens. Many of the native Arabs fought on the side of the Jews in 1948.

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    Quote Originally Posted by El Laton Caliente View Post
    Many of the native Arabs fought on the side of the Jews in 1948.
    Well THAT'S interesting. I didn't know that.
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    Thank you Old Grump for stating the facts of the matter. Plus one to what Old Grump said.

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    What this is really about is the Islamic belief that once a land is conquered by Islam, that land is always Islamic. Thus, the 'Jewish stain' on the hell hole known as the mideast. For the record, they want Spain back too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krupski View Post
    Well THAT'S interesting. I didn't know that.
    The early Zionists did a LOT to improve the area and raised the standard of living tremendously. They brought in mule drawn then steam powered mechanized agriculture, clinics and hospitals and changed the whole way of life in the area. By the time the migrant workers from Syria and Egypt showed up, the locals were foremen or farm owners themselves and considered the migrants outsiders.

    Also about 1/4 of the local Arabs were Coptic Christians.

    IIRC there is a book titled "The Source" that is a good read and historically correct on the subject.
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    Newt knows the facts.

    The "palestinians" are just a bunch of arab-invented assholes that were envious of the Israeli's getting a small plot of land and wanted to fuck with them.

    That's really all it is. They most certainly are a contrived "people". They are really just Jordanians.

    They can go screw themselves as far as I'm concerned.
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    Amen.

    And they are not humans: they are lower then animals. Animals do not behave like them, as their behavior is irrational and conflicts with everything human.
    "What sick, barbaric bastards.

    It's one thing to use terrorism to make a political statement, but the wanton mutilation and suffering of innocents? How does that forward your political goals? When done in the name of religion, how does that earn you brownie points with God?

    Fuck religious extremism. And especially fuck the "religion of peace." "

    So, lagcsocialist supports terrorism AS LONG AS ITS FOR POLITICAL ENDS....

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    also notice the JOOOOOO haters didn't try to contest any of the above stated FACTS?
    "What sick, barbaric bastards.

    It's one thing to use terrorism to make a political statement, but the wanton mutilation and suffering of innocents? How does that forward your political goals? When done in the name of religion, how does that earn you brownie points with God?

    Fuck religious extremism. And especially fuck the "religion of peace." "

    So, lagcsocialist supports terrorism AS LONG AS ITS FOR POLITICAL ENDS....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruskiegunlover View Post
    also notice the JOOOOOO haters didn't try to contest any of the above stated FACTS?

    These "JOOOOOO haters" you often mention....... please name one of these vile creatures.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruskiegunlover View Post
    also notice the JOOOOOO haters didn't try to contest any of the above stated FACTS?
    Do not go there, stay on topic or this thread ends.

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