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    Exclamation Obama to FilL Gitmo with Americans as NDAA law passes

    (NaturalNews) The right to due process in America is coming to a sudden end as traitorous members of Congress have now passed the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) which gives the U.S. military the power to arrest, detain, interrogate, torture and murder U.S. citizens inside the United States, with no due process.

    President Obama, who had previously said he would oppose the bill (because he claimed he already had the power to kill Americans outside the law), now says he will support it and presumably sign it. The White House even issued a statement, which is one of the most astonishing and Big Brother-ish examples of doublespeak yet observed coming out of the Obama administration:

    "We have concluded that the language does not challenge or constrain the President's ability to collect intelligence, incapacitate dangerous terrorists, and protect the American people, and the President's senior advisors will not recommend a veto..."

    Of course, by "protect the American people" what they really mean is that they will shred the Peoples' protections under the Constitution and Bill of Rights.

    "It's something so radical that it would have been considered crazy had it been pushed by the Bush administration," said Tom Malinowski of Human Rights Watch. "It establishes precisely the kind of system that the United States has consistently urged other countries not to adopt. At a time when the United States is urging Egypt, for example, to scrap its emergency law and military courts, this is not consistent."
    http://www.naturalnews.com/034414_ND...of_Rights.html

    We really are re-creating the steps of 1930's Nazi Germany right before our eyes...
    "That tyranny has all the vices both of democracy and oligarchy is evident. As of oligarchy so of tyranny, the end is wealth; (for by wealth only can the tyrant maintain either his guard or his luxury). Both mistrust the people, and therefore deprive them of their arms." -- Aristotle, Book V, 350 B.C.E

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    How about we do a $10 bet after (if) this law passes not one American citizen arrested on US soil will spend a night at Gitmo....say before Jan 2013?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mriddick View Post
    How about we do a $10 bet after (if) this law passes not one American citizen arrested on US soil will spend a night at Gitmo....say before Jan 2012?
    I'd say none before November 2nd 2012. Then again, maybe The One will order the roundup of all his political rivals and pundits. Time to register Democrat...

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    Yea meant 2013...

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    Quote Originally Posted by LAGC View Post
    http://www.naturalnews.com/034414_ND...of_Rights.html

    We really are re-creating the steps of 1930's Nazi Germany right before our eyes...
    "Protection" of the people?

    "Schutzstaffel" (Abbreviated "SS") means "Protection Squadron or defence corps".

    Lest we allow history to repeat itself....



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    Quote Originally Posted by mriddick View Post
    How about we do a $10 bet after (if) this law passes not one American citizen arrested on US soil will spend a night at Gitmo....say before Jan 2013?
    How will you know who is in Gitmo? It's not like there will be a lawyer or a trial (or even charges).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Gonzo GED View Post
    I'd say none before November 2nd 2012. Then again, maybe The One will order the roundup of all his political rivals and pundits. Time to register Democrat...
    Ernst Roehm was liquidated anyway...
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    @LAGC: You better get a hold of a good rifle... sounds like you're gonna need one too.

    After our Reichstag fire, we will all be "prohibited persons", so who gives a shit?
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    Quote Originally Posted by LAGC View Post
    http://www.naturalnews.com/034414_ND...of_Rights.html

    We really are re-creating the steps of 1930's Nazi Germany right before our eyes...
    And people like you have been cheering for it the whole time.
    Do you really think you'll be immune when it all comes crashing down on everyones head?
    Might want to look into what happened to the brownshirts after the night of long knives.
    That's your future.
    History has a severe case of stuttering complicated by chronic hiccups.
    It always repeats itself and it never fails that something will go horribly wrong along the way.


    Direct democracy is a gang rape. Eight men vote to rape one woman and the woman has to accept it because the majority decided that it was ok. A constitutional republic on the other hand is eight men and one woman with a full mag. Think about it for a while until it hurts your head.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Gonzo GED View Post
    I'd say none before November 2nd 2012. Then again, maybe The One will order the roundup of all his political rivals and pundits. Time to register Democrat...
    Yes the "Night of the Longknives" is about to repeat itself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stinker View Post
    And people like you have been cheering for it the whole time.
    Do you really think you'll be immune when it all comes crashing down on everyones head?
    Might want to look into what happened to the brownshirts after the night of long knives.
    That's your future.
    I thought I said that in post #7...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Krupski View Post
    How will you know who is in Gitmo? It's not like there will be a lawyer or a trial (or even charges).
    So you think one of the requirements will be having no family or friends who might miss you? BTW if you want in on the bet I'll take your $10 also

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    Quote Originally Posted by mriddick View Post
    So you think one of the requirements will be having no family or friends who might miss you? BTW if you want in on the bet I'll take your $10 also
    A fool and his money are soon parted. I don't bet.

    As far as "family and friends"... they may know someone got "arrested" for "something", but with Obama's "Nacht und Nebel" decree, you won't know WHERE or WHY.

    (edit to add): So you don't have to search for it.....

    Nacht und Nebel, German for "Night and Fog" (a direct reference to a "Tarnhelm" spell, from Wagner's Rheingold) was a directive (German: Erlass) of Adolf Hitler on 7 December 1941 that was originally intended to winnow out all political activists and resistance 'helpers', “anyone endangering German security” (die deutsche Sicherheit gefährden) throughout Nazi Germany's occupied territories. Two months later Armed Forces High Command Feldmarschall Wilhelm Keitel expanded it to include all persons in occupied countries who had been taken into custody and were still alive eight days later. The decree was meant to intimidate local populations into submission by denying friends and families of the missing any knowledge of their whereabouts or their fate. The prisoners were secretly transported to Germany, vanishing without a trace. In 1945, the seized Sicherheitsdient (SD) records were found to include merely names and the initials NN (Nacht und Nebel); even the sites of graves were unchronicled. To this day, it is not known how many thousands of people disappeared as a result of this order.
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    One more time for those who arent paying attention.

    SEC. 1032. REQUIREMENT FOR MILITARY CUSTODY.

    (a) Custody Pending Disposition Under Law of War-
    (1) IN GENERAL- Except as provided in paragraph (4), the Armed Forces of the United States shall hold a person described in paragraph (2) who is captured in the course of hostilities authorized by the Authorization for Use of Military Force (Public Law 107-40) in military custody pending disposition under the law of war.
    (2) COVERED PERSONS- The requirement in paragraph (1) shall apply to any person whose detention is authorized under section 1031 who is determined--
    (A) to be a member of, or part of, al-Qaeda or an associated force that acts in coordination with or pursuant to the direction of al-Qaeda; and
    (B) to have participated in the course of planning or carrying out an attack or attempted attack against the United States or its coalition partners.
    (3) DISPOSITION UNDER LAW OF WAR- For purposes of this subsection, the disposition of a person under the law of war has the meaning given in section 1031(c), except that no transfer otherwise described in paragraph (4) of that section shall be made unless consistent with the requirements of section 1033.
    (4) WAIVER FOR NATIONAL SECURITY- The Secretary of Defense may, in consultation with the Secretary of State and the Director of National Intelligence, waive the requirement of paragraph (1) if the Secretary submits to Congress a certification in writing that such a waiver is in the national security interests of the United States.
    (b) Applicability to United States Citizens and Lawful Resident Aliens-
    (1) UNITED STATES CITIZENS- The requirement to detain a person in military custody under this section does not extend to citizens of the United States.
    (2) LAWFUL RESIDENT ALIENS- The requirement to detain a person in military custody under this section does not extend to a lawful resident alien of the United States on the basis of conduct taking place within the United States, except to the extent permitted by the Constitution of the United States.

    (c) Implementation Procedures-
    (1) IN GENERAL- Not later than 60 days after the date of the enactment of this Act, the President shall issue, and submit to Congress, procedures for implementing this section.
    (2) ELEMENTS- The procedures for implementing this section shall include, but not be limited to, procedures as follows:
    (A) Procedures designating the persons authorized to make determinations under subsection (a)(2) and the process by which such determinations are to be made.
    (B) Procedures providing that the requirement for military custody under subsection (a)(1) does not require the interruption of ongoing surveillance or intelligence gathering with regard to persons not already in the custody or control of the United States.
    (C) Procedures providing that a determination under subsection (a)(2) is not required to be implemented until after the conclusion of an interrogation session which is ongoing at the time the determination is made and does not require the interruption of any such ongoing session.
    (D) Procedures providing that the requirement for military custody under subsection (a)(1) does not apply when intelligence, law enforcement, or other government officials of the United States are granted access to an individual who remains in the custody of a third country.
    (E) Procedures providing that a certification of national security interests under subsection (a)(4) may be granted for the purpose of transferring a covered person from a third country if such a transfer is in the interest of the United States and could not otherwise be accomplished.
    (d) Effective Date- This section shall take effect on the date that is 60 days after the date of the enactment of this Act, and shall apply with respect to persons described in subsection (a)(2) who are taken into the custody or brought under the control of the United States on or after that effective date.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krupski View Post
    I thought I said that in post #7...
    True you did.
    But it does'nt hurt to dumb it down a bit for the benefit of the leftys.
    I lack faith in their ability to type a name in their browsers search box.

    Most of them just have their eyes glaze over when you mention anything historical past Barry is president and the guy before him drove us off a cliff with a racist unjust illegal war that was an inside job to discourage blacks from voting to make the rich stop evading taxes so their corporations can throw grandma out on the streets where Bush can step over her on his way to an illuminati sponsored fundraiser that wants to starve children that are sick and dying because the republicans forced them to breathe dirty air.

    Etc,etc.


    Side note, i wonder how long the wicked witch of littlerock will last when bambam finally does it?
    Politically she is the biggest threat from within the party to him.
    History has a severe case of stuttering complicated by chronic hiccups.
    It always repeats itself and it never fails that something will go horribly wrong along the way.


    Direct democracy is a gang rape. Eight men vote to rape one woman and the woman has to accept it because the majority decided that it was ok. A constitutional republic on the other hand is eight men and one woman with a full mag. Think about it for a while until it hurts your head.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stinker View Post
    True you did.
    But it does'nt hurt to dumb it down a bit for the benefit of the leftys.
    I lack faith in their ability to type a name in their browsers search box.
    You do make a very good point there...
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    Quote Originally Posted by stinker View Post
    .......the wicked witch of littlerock......


    That took a second to sink in!
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    The best part is a shiteload of rinos voted for this, more rinos voted for it than dems.

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