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    the righ pleading poverty.

    This reminds me of some of the CEOs/business owners we have in this country. They cannot afford to pay American workers anything but minimum wage. No benefits, or even better just hire illegals or ship the jobs to the Communist slaves in China, ect, ect.

    until you audit their finances 100%........

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    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/f...x-evasion.html


    Tax officials traced the owners of 133 Lamborghinis, Ferraris, SUVs and other top-end cars that they found parked in the snow-lined streets of Cortina d'Ampezzo, a winter playground for the rich and famous in the Dolomites.


    They found that 42 of the owners – nearly a third – had declared incomes of less than 22,000 euros (£18,000) a year. A further 16 claimed to be earning less than 50,000 euros a year.

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    Set up a simple tax structure without deductions and stuff like this would be alot harder to get by with.

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    Two words for you: Fair Tax
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    Quote Originally Posted by O.S.O.K. View Post
    Two words for you: Fair Tax
    The elite have no reason to change shit.

    One word. Revolution.

    ...and it won't be pretty, nor will it solve anything. Unfortunately we are going to see quite a bad time down the road.
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    I'm really doubtful of revolution, atleast revolution to reform the system. So far people have rioted only when they want their money. Of course it's pretty easy to see when a country is broke so even those riots aren't long lived (more an expression of anger). I believe at some point the money will just be reduced, the healthcare will stop for most. I'm expecting something more along the lines of life to revert back to the way it was for most Americans in the early decades of the 20th century.

    A fair tax of 23%, a simple progressive tax that brings in what amounts to 23% I can care less but regardless unless we are all willing to take less that's what it's going to take and most of us are as unprepared for that as we are to do without our checks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mriddick View Post
    I'm really doubtful of revolution, atleast revolution to reform the system. So far people have rioted only when they want their money. Of course it's pretty easy to see when a country is broke so even those riots aren't long lived (more an expression of anger). I believe at some point the money will just be reduced, the healthcare will stop for most. I'm expecting something more along the lines of life to revert back to the way it was for most Americans in the early decades of the 20th century.

    A fair tax of 23%, a simple progressive tax that brings in what amounts to 23% I can care less but regardless unless we are all willing to take less that's what it's going to take and most of us are as unprepared for that as we are to do without our checks.
    I agree. I'm just pointing out that the game won't change without one, and if it were to occur it won't benefit any of us, or our children. Fair Tax will never see the light of day. My opinion, and I've been wrong before.
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    The problem with all the tax plans is they take into account some magical way of reducing spending as if most who can get a gov't check can't vote...

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    Exactly! People getting gov't checks or debit cards are not going to vote for anyone that advocates the very necessary step of reducing those gov't checks or debit cards.
    Thus, we will stay in debt (keep borrowing) to send the gov't checks and debit cards until the interest on our debt overwhelms us and we default.

    I hope I'm wrong. I can't see any way that people on the dole (welfare, EBT, WIC, unemployment, etc) are every going to accept not being on the dole.

    If I could name ONE thing, one single thing, that would change the direction of the US back to success it would be this:

    Revert towards the original Constitutional concept for the right to vote - to vote you have to have a stake in the country. In a modern context, that could mean that you own property or served three years active duty or paid a certain amount of taxes or something like that.

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    I'm really doubtful of revolution, atleast revolution to reform the system. So far people have rioted only when they want their money. Of course it's pretty easy to see when a country is broke so even those riots aren't long lived (more an expression of anger). I believe at some point the money will just be reduced, the healthcare will stop for most. I'm expecting something more along the lines of life to revert back to the way it was for most Americans in the early decades of the 20th century.

    A fair tax of 23%, a simple progressive tax that brings in what amounts to 23% I can care less but regardless unless we are all willing to take less that's what it's going to take and most of us are as unprepared for that as we are to do without our checks.
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    In many cases throughout History,...the affluent never do see "Revolution" coming.

    they never see Soviet Unions coming. They never see Vietnams coming. They never see Cubas coming.

    They never see 1776 coming.

    They never see the French Guillotine's coming their way. In their minds its all about "Let them eat cake". and we all know how that turned out?

    "Just ignore them long enuf,.. and sooner or later they will all get tired and go away."

    There is a Plethora of things that need to be done,.....now,.....in order to prevent,..Ill let you fill in the blank.

    #1. Greed.

    2. Abuse on all sides.

    3. Tax reform.

    ect, ect.

    One thing I do know is this.

    If these money grabbers dont give,...Extremism of one kind or another is coming. Whatever shape or form that may be.

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    So you're saying unless there's more socialism (spread the wealth) there's going to be revolution? I'd say it's socialism that's got into this mess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mriddick View Post
    So you're saying unless there's more socialism (spread the wealth) there's going to be revolution? I'd say it's socialism that's got into this mess.
    Not socialism but maybe hes saying, if the money grabbers dont stop cheating the systems and getting away with it? Doubling their billions while the rest of the nation sinks lower into poverty?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Meat-Hook View Post
    This reminds me of some of the CEOs/business owners we have in this country. They cannot afford to pay American workers anything but minimum wage. No benefits, or even better just hire illegals or ship the jobs to the Communist slaves in China, ect, ect.

    until you audit their finances 100%........
    We're not the same as EUROPE. Cheating the tax man has been a SPORT in europe for decades. I have magazines from the 1970s which talk about this phenomenon. It's like price haggling in the middle east. The U.S. may have tax cheats, but it is not a cultural/institutional thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Solidus-snake View Post
    Not socialism but maybe hes saying, if the money grabbers dont stop cheating the systems and getting away with it? Doubling their billions while the rest of the nation sinks lower into poverty?
    I was asking because I wasn't sure what was being said.

    As for tax cheating yes Europe takes it to sport level, however here I think it's deeply ingrained to take more then you give. American's might pay taxes better then Europeans but that's only because we view taxes and beating it as the end game unto itself.

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    Saw this today, the IRS is saying 15% of taxes go unpaid right here in the states.

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    Quote Originally Posted by O.S.O.K. View Post
    Two words for you: Fair Tax
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