Well, the "Mile-High Messiah" Sure Met His Match Tonight!

[Justin]

Why do you guys even reply to this post, LAGC is clearly just trying to get a rise out of everyone on here. If we just ignored LAGC's posts, he'll get bored and go away.

[Dafapa]

Keeping him occupied is sort of a public service. When he gets bored sometimes he steals stuff. Which is kind of weird, because he constantly condemns "rich" people for stealing, while he actually steals things.

[N/A]

Why do you guys even reply to this post, LAGC is clearly just trying to get a rise out of everyone on here. If we just ignored LAGC's posts, he'll get bored and go away.

The only times he went away was when he went to jail or the admin invited him to.

[1 Patriot-of-many]

Keeping him occupied is sort of a public service. When he gets bored sometimes he steals stuff. Which is kind of weird, because he constantly condemns "rich" people for stealing, while he actually steals things.

LMAO!!!!! That sums it up.

[ltorlo64]

As far as we know from his own admission LAGC is gainfully employed and is working towards getting back all the rights he forfitted when he made his imfamous decisions. We have a few others on this board that made poor decisions and went to jail, but they are more conservative. It is interesting that we can't point out the flaw in LAGCs logic without continually reminding him of his failure.

[N/A]

If LAGC wasn't a socialist who thought he was owed a living out of my paycheck I might care about his redemption...but I don't.

[Dafapa]

If LAGC wasn't a socialist who thought he was owed a living out of my paycheck I might care about his redemption...but I don't.

This is why he's not given a break. The first step is repentence. I believe he's sorry he got caught, maybe even sorry he decided to go through with the theft. I've seen nothing to indicate he's sorry for the damage he inflicted on his victims or even understands it. Further, his entire political philosophy is to take from the productive and give to the lazy. He has not abandoned theft at all, he just wants somoene else to do it for him. Further, he invites the abuse by constantly denouncing the wealthy for "stealing" for something like failing to pay a highschool drop out 2 or 3 times the market rate. Seeing a known thief denounce others for stealing (when they stole nothing) tends to rub people the wrong way.

[Charliebravo]

Sure, as soon as you tell me which of the Ten Commandments admonishes rape, torture, and child molestation.

What? Tim Tebow raped, tortured, and molested a child?

Go suck start a Mossberg you felonious jizz-bucket.

[weevil]

Yeah I think a lot of us would be more than willing to forgive his sins if he was truly sorry about what he did.


However like most crooked and corrupted people he isn't sorry for what he did......he's just upset that he got caught and punished.


He'd do it all over again if he thought he could get away with this time. He doesn't believe stealing is wrong, society owes it to him and besides "the insurance companies are paying for it".

[LAGC]

What? Tim Tebow raped, tortured, and molested a child?

You can't really be that dense. I was merely pointing out that the Ten Commandments (and really, the Bible as a whole) is a very poor guide as to dictating what our moral values ought to be.

Go suck start a Mossberg

I do find it interesting that the two most outspoken LEOs on this board and in this thread seem to be the strongest advocates of others committing suicide. Do you say that to many of the people you come across in your day-to-day job duties? That certainly reflects well on the profession... NOT. (I find it easier to understand why Officer Harless got away with his antics for so long.)

[was_peacemaker]

Sure, as soon as you tell me which of the Ten Commandments admonishes rape, torture, and child molestation. Funny how those somehow got left out... unless you think Moses dropped one of the stone tablets on his way down from Mount Sinai.

The 613 Mitzvot of the Torah covers these things. "Thou shall not steal" can be seen as not stealing sex, or an ego boost at another persons expense. Not just material things.

[tank_monkey]

As far as we know from his own admission LAGC is gainfully employed and is working towards getting back all the rights he forfitted when he made his imfamous decisions. We have a few others on this board that made poor decisions and went to jail, but they are more conservative. It is interesting that we can't point out the flaw in LAGCs logic without continually reminding him of his failure.

But LAGC continuously yanks everyone's chains on purpose. It would be different if folks were bringing up his past at random. But he's poking a lot of folks in the eye with sticks over and over and over again. I think you forgot that part of it.

[ltorlo64]

Sure, as soon as you tell me which of the Ten Commandments admonishes rape, torture, and child molestation. Funny how those somehow got left out... unless you think Moses dropped one of the stone tablets on his way down from Mount Sinai.

I misuderstood what you were saying here so I did not answer it. This is very simple, at least for two of them. For rape and child molestation the simple command of "Do not commit adultery" covered them both. Adultery was/is to act in a sexually immoral way which both of those actions are. When Moses, under God's inspiration, gave an explanation of the 10 Commandments in Leviticus and Deuteronomy he explained this. This is also where homosexuality is discussed.

As for torture, while not explicity discussed, Moses and Jesus both say that to "love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your mind and with all your strength, and to love your neighbor as yourself" is the fulfillment of the law. Loving someone as myself would seem to rule out torture. This could also fall under "thou shalt not kill" as torture kills, even if the person is still alive physically, torture is designed to kill the humanity of the person being tortured.

[alismith]

You can't really be that dense. I was merely pointing out that the Ten Commandments (and really, the Bible as a whole) is a very poor guide as to dictating what our moral values ought to be.

Compared to what? Certainly not the general consensus of a group of people, as some primitive people believe that eating your enemy's brains gives you their power (SA tribes and some SE Asian tribes). The Mayans and Aztecs believed in sacrificing their enemies and children to appease their gods. Other groups, mentioned in the Bible and other historical texts, practiced similar ceremonies.

The Bible is an excellent place to get one's morals from. Basically, it teaches to treat other people as you would want them to treat you, if they were in your shoes.

Before you go off on me, I'm not a Christian, although I was raised that way. I went to Sunday School and Chruch and participated in various church organizations. I chose to become a non-Christian a few years ago, but I do not comdemn, nor belittle, those who are Christian, or belong to any other religion (Islam is not a religion).

While being a "non-theist," I don't belive in limiting any Christian activity as they are just practicing what they believe, as I am doing. I honor those praying by bowing my head, too. I will go to church when I'm invited, but that doesn't mean I believe everything that goes on there. My philosophy, based on my upbringing under The Bible, and my parents, has taught me to treat others as I want to be treated.

As far as I'm concerned, everyone should be brought up under the guidance of The Bible, as It has the best set of morals I've found so far.

[Goodman]

You can't really be that dense. I was merely pointing out that the Ten Commandments (and really, the Bible as a whole) is a very poor guide as to dictating what our moral values ought to be.

Yeah, especially that part about not stealing

[TEN-32]

You can't really be that dense. I was merely pointing out that the Ten Commandments (and really, the Bible as a whole) is a very poor guide as to dictating what our moral values ought to be.



I do find it interesting that the two most outspoken LEOs on this board and in this thread seem to be the strongest advocates of others committing suicide. Do you say that to many of the people you come across in your day-to-day job duties? That certainly reflects well on the profession... NOT. (I find it easier to understand why Officer Harless got away with his antics for so long.)

I just make an exception for you.

[LAGC]

The 613 Mitzvot of the Torah covers these things. "Thou shall not steal" can be seen as not stealing sex, or an ego boost at another persons expense. Not just material things.

That would seem to require a quite liberal interpretation of the scriptures I would think to classify rape, child abuse, and torture as "stealing"... "stealing" one's innocence maybe...

I misuderstood what you were saying here so I did not answer it. This is very simple, at least for two of them. For rape and child molestation the simple command of "Do not commit adultery" covered them both. Adultery was/is to act in a sexually immoral way which both of those actions are. When Moses, under God's inspiration, gave an explanation of the 10 Commandments in Leviticus and Deuteronomy he explained this. This is also where homosexuality is discussed.

That's what I was getting at, it makes more sense to qualify such acts as "adultery" not "stealing". But even then, do you really feel acts of adultery like two unmarried people having sex is anywhere near as bad as child molestation? Really? I mean, the Bible doesn't seem to distinguish between the two. It may be all sin in God's eyes, but as far as OUR law goes, the secular law of the land, does it really make sense to use the Bible as a source for our inspiration, where each of those acts of sexual immorality are considered the same? That just seems crazy to me.

As for torture, while not explicity discussed, Moses and Jesus both say that to "love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your mind and with all your strength, and to love your neighbor as yourself" is the fulfillment of the law. Loving someone as myself would seem to rule out torture. This could also fall under "thou shalt not kill" as torture kills, even if the person is still alive physically, torture is designed to kill the humanity of the person being tortured.

Again, why so vague? I would think that an omnibenevolent God would have specifically outlined those things. Not just torture, but slavery as well. Why was slavery so tolerated in the Bible? Does it really come across as a just, inspired word of an all-good God, or more likely just echoing the particular laws and customs of the people of the time?

[LAGC]

Compared to what? Certainly not the general consensus of a group of people, as some primitive people believe that eating your enemy's brains gives you their power (SA tribes and some SE Asian tribes). The Mayans and Aztecs believed in sacrificing their enemies and children to appease their gods. Other groups, mentioned in the Bible and other historical texts, practiced similar ceremonies.

Sure, the consensus of the people, but wouldn't you agree that our evolving sense of secular moral values has gotten much better with time? Those ancient practices those tribes practiced, they committed those atrocities because their religion told them to. The more we move away from backwards ideas and superstitions, the more we move to more sensible, just laws for the most part.

The Bible is an excellent place to get one's morals from. Basically, it teaches to treat other people as you would want them to treat you, if they were in your shoes.

Before you go off on me, I'm not a Christian, although I was raised that way. I went to Sunday School and Chruch and participated in various church organizations. I chose to become a non-Christian a few years ago, but I do not comdemn, nor belittle, those who are Christian, or belong to any other religion (Islam is not a religion).

While being a "non-theist," I don't belive in limiting any Christian activity as they are just practicing what they believe, as I am doing. I honor those praying by bowing my head, too. I will go to church when I'm invited, but that doesn't mean I believe everything that goes on there. My philosophy, based on my upbringing under The Bible, and my parents, has taught me to treat others as I want to be treated.

As far as I'm concerned, everyone should be brought up under the guidance of The Bible, as It has the best set of morals I've found so far.

You mean the New Testament don't you? Because wouldn't you agree that the Old Testament is full of some pretty wicked and evil shit? Genocide, human sacrifice, etc.

Again, I'm not saying the New Testament isn't leaps and bounds an improvement over the Old Testament, but do you not think we can evolve further and come up with even more fair and just laws without being tied down to the particular codes of 2000 years ago?

I just think there's room for improvement, that's all.

[LAGC]

Yeah, especially that part about not stealing

Pretty much all cultures throughout human history have outlawed murder and theft. Don't need the Bible to tell us that those two activities are wrong.

[LAGC]

I just make an exception for you.

Well, that's a relief!