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    We may be getting M1 Garands in, but US Govt is afraid of M1 Carbines

    Funny that they use a picture of a pristine Japanese model gun nonfiring Replica of an M1 Garand Rifle

    01-18-2012 19:16
    US allows import of 86,000 M1 rifles from Korea

    By Lee Tae-hoon
    Korea Times


    Washington has agreed to allow the importation of M1 Garand rifles from Seoul, reversing its earlier decision to ban the shipping of the weapon used by South Korean and U.S. soldiers during the 1950-53 Korean War, a senior defense official said Wednesday.

    “The U.S. government approved the imports of some 86,000 of the rifles,” said Lee Sun-chul, deputy defense minister for force and resources management.

    “The historic firearms are expected to be sold to American Korean War veterans and their families in time for the 62nd anniversary of the Korean War, which falls on June 25 this year.”

    Kim Mi-sung, an official of the force and resources management office, said the defense ministry received an approval letter from the United States on Sept. 2 last year that stated Washington agreed to allow the importation of the M1s.

    She noted that the U.S. government, however, rejected Seoul’s proposal to export some 600,000 M1 Carbines, which were also used in the Korean War, as they come with a magazine that can carry multiple rounds unlike the Garands.

    “We plan to announce a bid later this month or in February for the selection of agencies to sell the M1 rifles to Americans,” Kim said. “The U.S. has been reviewing legal procedures for the approval of a third party transfer.”

    The official said Korea plans to purchase locally developed K2 rifles with the money raised by selling the M1s.

    The Obama administration blocked the purchase of 87,310 M1 Garands and 770,160 M1 Carbines in 2010, saying the American-made antique rifles could “potentially be exploited by individuals seeking firearms for illicit purposes.”

    The move, however, triggered strong criticism among gun collectors, who said the U.S. government was being excessively concerned about possible firearm incidents involving the aging semiautomatic rifles.

    In February last year, U.S. Sen. Jon Tester and Rep. Cynthia Lummis proposed bills for an amendment of the Arms Export Control Act to guarantee that U.S.-made military firearms classified as “curios and relics” will not be blocked from importation.

    The legislation allow firearms more than 50 years old, considered antiques or relics and lawfully possessed by a foreign government, to be imported into the United States through properly licensed groups and sold without written permission from the U.S. State or Defense Departments.

    A senior defense ministry official, however, raised the possibility that the U.S. government may cancel the plan to allow the purchase the M1s, saying Seoul has yet to finalize negotiations with Washington.

    ``We have yet to receive confirmation from the United States over our proposal,” he said. “The U.S. government may change its position at the last minute due to political considerations.”

    M1s were made first in 1926 and used during World War II and the Vietnam War. The carbines were first produced in 1941 and used during the 1950-1953 Korean War.

    They currently sell for around $220, according to another defense ministry official.

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    Someone may have already mentioned something about that.

    http://www.gunsnet.net/showthread.ph...l=1#post198344

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    Well at least we are getting the M1's. It would be great to get the carbines too. I will take what I can get though. I hope this brings the price of M1's down as I would like to pick up another one in good shape.
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    No, they will stay artificially high, because thats just the way things are. I personally am still quite sure that the CMP had something to do with the whole issue from the get go. Just a hunch, just seems like it would cutt too much into there business.......I want a garand, but not for what they go for. The will sell them for 10 bucks less then the cmp, which is not a deal for me.

    I'll stick with reasonably priced surplus, or if i am going to spend MORE than the cost of a new firearm, I'll just BUY a new firearm....
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    Does any one make brand new M1's?
    Doobie Doobie Doo..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Penguin View Post
    Does any one make brand new M1's?
    Springfield Armory did but I don't see them listed on their site. Atlantic Firearms is still selling them.

    http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/storeproduct544.aspx
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    Ok that is what I thought. Good to know atlantic still has them. I amy go that route someday.
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    Thats sad about the carbines. I would like one for the sake of having a piece of history.

    I have always heard that the .30 carbine isn't the most deadly round ever devised.

    They are letting the more dangerous weapon in IMHO.

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    I would agree with that. The old carbine isn't exactly the most powerfull gun out there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Penguin View Post
    I would agree with that. The old carbine isn't exactly the most powerfull gun out there.
    Don't tell the Democrats that. Those Carbines are evil "Assault weapons!!!!!!!!!"

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    I wonder what the condition these great rifles are in? Somehow I expect to find out they aren't NRA excellent.

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    Throw the bums out in November, and you'll get your M1 carbines.

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    My Grandfather was a Korean War Combat Veteran... I wonder if I'll get a crack at one? I wonder how this even works?
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    They currently sell for around $220, according to another defense ministry official.
    REALY?? Where the fudge can I get a Garand for under $250?!?!?!


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    Were these rifles used for training by the south koreans?

    If they are anything like the rifles you see over here during basic training i'd pass.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NAPOTS View Post
    Thats sad about the carbines. I would like one for the sake of having a piece of history.

    I have always heard that the .30 carbine isn't the most deadly round ever devised.

    They are letting the more dangerous weapon in IMHO.
    Napots - isn't the .30 carbine an even smaller round than the 7.62x39, making it not much more powerful than a pistol round?
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    Quote Originally Posted by NAPOTS View Post
    Were these rifles used for training by the south koreans?

    If they are anything like the rifles you see over here during basic training i'd pass.
    I purchased M1 Garands from the South Koreans in the past (BEFORE Clinton slammed the door on them in the 90s) They were beaters but a lot had good bores. If you wanted a shooter you could find one. All had beat up wood, but so what? If you wanted a safe queen you could get pristine replacement wood. The point was to get a Garand. Period

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    .30 carbine fires a 110 gr bullet at 1900 fps. 7.62x39 fires usually a 123 gr bullet at 2400 fps.

    Its weak sauce but I'd still like one.

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    The Liberals probably think the M-1 Carbines are Saturday Night Specials.

    I like the M-1 Carbines because I can chamber a round with my thumb and finger. Try that with any semi-auto other rifle. Comes in handy when you are driving with your left hand.

    I prefer a rifle over a pistol for self defense.

    A M-1 Carbine is about three times more powerful than a .38 special.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Penguin View Post
    Does any one make brand new M1's?
    Springfield was a few years ago, i don't think they're making them any more. I've had this one since 2008


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