Nothing good will come from this.
A few thousand bucks, a friendly judge, Governor, or state Attorney General, in just a few key states and we could never have any president elected again.
Lets see, think I could find Democrats willing to go to court and declare they don't think Newt and Romney are natural born citizens? I think it would be fairly easy to find judges in California, New York, and Florida who will hear testimony that they aren't legal citizens.
This isn't the states saving us from tyranny, this is partisan politics subverting the will of the people.
If a canditate gives a valid birth proof, there will be no problem putting him on the ballot.
AND......If he cannot......there will be a problem and he should be excluded.
I see no problem with this at all. Cut and dried.....black and white....plain and simple.
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Wasn't this already like... solved awhile ago?
http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2011/...th-certificate
? I mean what do you guys want? A DVD of him shooting out of his mom? The guy is a TERRIBLE President, there is nothing else that needs to be mentioned when punching the ballot for someone else.
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What is "valid birth proof"?
I suppose I can "prove" I was born, simply because we are having this conversation....
...although, come to think of it, I could just be a random power surge of the ethereal on the internet accidentally manipulating ones and zeros in a way that only makes you think I exist...
Can you prove you are a "natural born citizen"?
If so, how?
A piece of paper that says you are?
How do I know that piece of paper is even yours?
I bet I can find someone who will say it's a fake (especially if I pay them enough).
He released his birth certificate already.
But of course you can't just walk into a court, hand it over and say "here you are." and have the judge say "cool, you're all good"
Nope, once it gets to court, if it does, you have to enter it into evidence, then they have it expert say it's fake, and a dozen witnesses to say they saw you born elsewhere, or have some other "proof" that you aren't who you say you are, then you get to have your experts say it's real and you are in fact you.
It cracks me up that they are making it out to be "states rights"...my what a wonderful way to lose even more states rights, because eventually the Supreme Court is likely to have to weigh in, and the only reasonable thing they can do is add more federal power to the process, then of course congress has to jump in and make new rules on who, how, and what is needed to "prove" you are a natural born citizen.
Knowing them, they will set up a system that every new baby is put in a DNA database, with samples stored in multiple locations, testified to by witnesses that it is from that particular baby, encoded on the birth certificate as well, then RFID chip the kid, just in case it decides to run for president some day.
no one should act so surprised about this. as a matter of fact, a number of states introduced legislation right along these exact lines in the wake of the 2008 debacle. how many passed those bills? how many will actually enforce those state laws? how many more judges are going to agree to hear these case now?
it looks like all those good, wholesome conservative judges that we were all looking for a few years back are beginning to show their faces. who are we to tell them to go away now? let them do the job they were elected/appointed to do.
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I thought someone was following this. I'm reposting what I've posted on another board.
Originally Posted by El Laton Caliente
Something from the other side:
Originally Posted by El Laton CalienteOriginally Posted by El Laton Caliente
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http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html#A2Sec1
http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress....-born-citizen/Article II - The Executive Branch Note
Section 1 - The President Note1 Note2
The executive Power shall be vested in a President of the United States of America. He shall hold his Office during the Term of four Years, and, together with the Vice-President chosen for the same Term, be elected, as follows:
Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress: but no Senator or Representative, or Person holding an Office of Trust or Profit under the United States, shall be appointed an Elector.
(The Electors shall meet in their respective States, and vote by Ballot for two persons, of whom one at least shall not lie an Inhabitant of the same State with themselves. And they shall make a List of all the Persons voted for, and of the Number of Votes for each; which List they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the Seat of the Government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate. The President of the Senate shall, in the Presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the Certificates, and the Votes shall then be counted. The Person having the greatest Number of Votes shall be the President, if such Number be a Majority of the whole Number of Electors appointed; and if there be more than one who have such Majority, and have an equal Number of Votes, then the House of Representatives shall immediately chuse by Ballot one of them for President; and if no Person have a Majority, then from the five highest on the List the said House shall in like Manner chuse the President. But in chusing the President, the Votes shall be taken by States, the Representation from each State having one Vote; a quorum for this Purpose shall consist of a Member or Members from two-thirds of the States, and a Majority of all the States shall be necessary to a Choice. In every Case, after the Choice of the President, the Person having the greatest Number of Votes of the Electors shall be the Vice President. But if there should remain two or more who have equal Votes, the Senate shall chuse from them by Ballot the Vice-President.) (This clause in parentheses was superseded by the 12th Amendment.)
The Congress may determine the Time of chusing the Electors, and the Day on which they shall give their Votes; which Day shall be the same throughout the United States.
No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.
The independent ground the Court used to determine that Virginia Minor was a US citizen is stated as follows:
Read that passage very carefully, and you will see that the US Supreme Court clearly defined “natural-born citizen” by two independent remarks:“Additions might always be made to the citizenship of the United States in two ways: first, by birth, and second, by naturalization. This is apparent from the Constitution itself, for it provides that ‘No person except a natural-born citizen or a citizen of the United States at the time of the adoption of the Constitution shall be eligible to the office of President,’ …
“The Constitution does not in words say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that. At common law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners. Some authorities go further and include as citizens children born within the jurisdiction without reference to the citizenship of their parents. As to this class there have been doubts, but never as to the first. For the purposes of this case, it is not necessary to solve these doubts. It is sufficient for everything we have now to consider that all children born of citizen parents within the jurisdiction are themselves citizens. “ (Emphasis added.)
1. “…all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also.” First, the Court states that these persons are “citizens”. But then it makes a second statement about this class -
2. “These were natives or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners.” This class of citizens are part of a class defined as “natural-born citizens”. They are citizens, natural-born. This distinguishes them from all other citizens. If this were not the case, it would have been sufficient for the Court to stop at the first statement concerning their citizenship.
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The above fake birth certificate video.... I used adobe and took it apart just as they did. I got the above photo directly off the whitehouse's website.
So, why has this not been addressed in the media? I'd have thought at the time, and even now, that this would have been a huge controversy/discussion in the news! But it never was mentioned on dateline/60 minutes/world news tonight/etc... leads me to believe that the higher powers that be have deliberately suppressed this information from reaching the public at large. The only true means of communicating truth is the internet here, and they're working on controlling that too... that's what SOPA is really about.
Here's how I see this.
Obummer and his minions and the dimicrat party (and ACORN) are going to do everything to get elected this next cycle including lie cheat and steal - and who knows, knock off a few people.
I have no problem with states demanding that he prove his citizenship. It's their Constitutional right to do so and if enough of them refuse to put his red ass on the ballot because he fails to produce any kind of genuine or valid documentation, fails to explain how and why he qualified as a foriegn national to get his college grant, etc. then you may just see other states demand the same.
Yes, its just the red states at this point, but in time, in time... consitiuencies in the blue states may push for this legally as well.
We want the rat bastard to be spending as much time and money on this as is possible.
God Bless Alabama!!!!
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I'm sorry, but this just makes the right look like a bunch of half wits. We pushed this before, and Obama held out for months, getting us all stirred up into a frenzy... only to have him release the Cert and make us all look like inbred retards. If we can FOCUS on the issues (i.e. Why Obama sucks; a seemingly easy task) there will be no need to worry. Also, his mother was an American citizen... doesn't matter if he was born on the fucking moon... the guy is a Citizen (Not a very good one) but according to the letter of the law, he is.
Also, McCain was born in the Canal Zone IIRC, so it's not like he was born here either.
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