ALABAMA BLOCKS OBAMA FROM REGISTERING FOR THE PRIMARY PENDING VALIDATION ELIGIBILITY!

[American Rage]

http://politicalvelcraft.org/2012/01...ated-by-court/

[Kadmos]

Nothing good will come from this.

A few thousand bucks, a friendly judge, Governor, or state Attorney General, in just a few key states and we could never have any president elected again.

Lets see, think I could find Democrats willing to go to court and declare they don't think Newt and Romney are natural born citizens? I think it would be fairly easy to find judges in California, New York, and Florida who will hear testimony that they aren't legal citizens.

This isn't the states saving us from tyranny, this is partisan politics subverting the will of the people.

[TheMrMitch]

If a canditate gives a valid birth proof, there will be no problem putting him on the ballot.

AND......If he cannot......there will be a problem and he should be excluded.

I see no problem with this at all. Cut and dried.....black and white....plain and simple.

[gpwasr10]

Wasn't this already like... solved awhile ago?

http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2011/...th-certificate

? I mean what do you guys want? A DVD of him shooting out of his mom? The guy is a TERRIBLE President, there is nothing else that needs to be mentioned when punching the ballot for someone else.

[Kadmos]

If a canditate gives a valid birth proof, there will be no problem putting him on the ballot.

AND......If he cannot......there will be a problem and he should be excluded.

I see no problem with this at all. Cut and dried.....black and white....plain and simple.

What is "valid birth proof"?

I suppose I can "prove" I was born, simply because we are having this conversation....

...although, come to think of it, I could just be a random power surge of the ethereal on the internet accidentally manipulating ones and zeros in a way that only makes you think I exist...

Can you prove you are a "natural born citizen"?

If so, how?

A piece of paper that says you are?

How do I know that piece of paper is even yours?

I bet I can find someone who will say it's a fake (especially if I pay them enough).


He released his birth certificate already.

But of course you can't just walk into a court, hand it over and say "here you are." and have the judge say "cool, you're all good"

Nope, once it gets to court, if it does, you have to enter it into evidence, then they have it expert say it's fake, and a dozen witnesses to say they saw you born elsewhere, or have some other "proof" that you aren't who you say you are, then you get to have your experts say it's real and you are in fact you.

It cracks me up that they are making it out to be "states rights"...my what a wonderful way to lose even more states rights, because eventually the Supreme Court is likely to have to weigh in, and the only reasonable thing they can do is add more federal power to the process, then of course congress has to jump in and make new rules on who, how, and what is needed to "prove" you are a natural born citizen.

Knowing them, they will set up a system that every new baby is put in a DNA database, with samples stored in multiple locations, testified to by witnesses that it is from that particular baby, encoded on the birth certificate as well, then RFID chip the kid, just in case it decides to run for president some day.

[Broondog]

no one should act so surprised about this. as a matter of fact, a number of states introduced legislation right along these exact lines in the wake of the 2008 debacle. how many passed those bills? how many will actually enforce those state laws? how many more judges are going to agree to hear these case now?

it looks like all those good, wholesome conservative judges that we were all looking for a few years back are beginning to show their faces. who are we to tell them to go away now? let them do the job they were elected/appointed to do.

[mriddick]

If a canditate gives a valid birth proof, there will be no problem putting him on the ballot.

AND......If he cannot......there will be a problem and he should be excluded.

I see no problem with this at all. Cut and dried.....black and white....plain and simple.

Is anything in court or politics "cut-n-dry"?

[El Laton Caliente]

I thought someone was following this. I'm reposting what I've posted on another board.

After over three years and somewhere approaching 100 law suits the first one has not been thrown out of court for technical or procedural grounds. Obama has spent somewhere over $2 million on getting these dismissed on all sorts of grounds. Most were dismissed on standing, having no grounds for bring suit because the 2008 election was already over.

This suit, actually three law suits, is different, They filed to keep Obama off the primary ballot for the Democratic nomination. Obama and his lawyer were no shows at the trial. Obama's lawyer sent a threatening letter basically stating he had to prove nothing. Trouble is, by doing this, Obama lost the suit by default. HOWEVER, the plaintiffs chose to present their case. This puts evidence into record so if it is appealed, Obama has to address the evidence. Since the Judge already offered to summarily find in the plaintiff's favor, the result is predetermined. The Judge will recommend Obama is removed from the ballot on Constitutional grounds. HUGE problem in future suits as Obama now has to address the charges instead of getting suits dismissed on procedural grounds.

Now, don't get me wrong, the court in question is the civil version of small claims court. This is a non-binding Administration Court for procedural suits dealing with election matters. The state of Georgia Secretary of State has the final decision to place Obama on or off the ballot. Again, HOWEVER, the Georgia SoS is Republican and the Judge is his legal adviser.

FULL ANALYSIS OF OBAMA ELIGIBILITY HEARING

Judge Malihi about to lower the boom on Barack?

The USA's Constitution requires a President to be a "Natural Born Citizen". The 1875 court case before the USA Supreme Court had been removed from the on-line data base that all US lawyers use to research cases. This is documented.

Per the president setting SCOTUS case, a "Natural Born Citizen" must have two parents that are USA citizens. The parents can be naturalized, but the President cannot be, he must have two parents that are citizens before he/she is born.

Barrack Obama Sr. was a British Subject. This was confirmed by evidence submitted to the court.

Evidence was also introduced that his birth certificate is a forgery. The on-line version is a multi-layered photo-shopped document, not a one layered scanned version.

His Social Security number had evidence submitted that it was a fake. When run through the Federal Government's own E-Verify on-line program it came back as a probable fake ID. The Social Security Administration never has issued a duplicate number. Obama's SS number was issued to a man born in 1890 in Connecticut who died in Hawaii about the time Obama was born.

Pop some popcorn, this is about to get intesesting... The letter Obama's Lawyer sent threatened the SoS that is making the decition. Not a good idea to threaten a Southerner, they take it personally...

[El Laton Caliente]

Something from the other side:

‘Birther’ nonsense makes state look idiotic -- again

The whole article is hyperbole and ridicule then ends with the quote:

Move along, folks. Nothing to see here.

Some of the comments are better researched.

Background: Justia.com is the online search engine for all USA Federal Government case law. If you don't want to spend hundreds of hours doing manual research in legal reference books it is about the only tool out there.

December 14, 2011
JustiaGate: 'Natural Born' Supreme Court Citations Disappear
By Dianna C. Cotter with L. Donofrio Esq.

Did Justia.com deliberately aid Barack Obama in 2008 by helping to hide the one legal case that might prevent him from legally qualifying for the presidency?

On October 20, 2011, New Jersey attorney Leo Donofrio accused online legal research behemoth Justia.com of surgically redacting important information from their publication of 25 U.S. Supreme Court opinions which cite Minor v. Happersett, an 1874 decision which arguably contains language that appears to disqualify anyone from presidential eligibility who wasn't born in the country to parents who were citizens. According to the decision in Happersett:

At common-law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners. (Minor v. Happersett, 88 U.S. 162, 167 [1874])

Justia is a Google Mini-powered website which has singled itself out as one of the most comprehensive and easy-to-search legal sites on the internet. Other legal resources such as Lexis can cost as much as $5,000 a month for a subscription, and it's impossible to hyperlink to cases which include copyrighted headnotes and analysis. This is why powerful law firms such as Perkins Coie (where former Obama White House Counsel Bob Bauer practices law) have cited Justia's pages.

The Wayback Machine, run by InternetArchive.Org, is the means by which the changes made at Justia were documented over time. Among the first responses from Justia regarding this controversy was to block its Supreme Court Server from being viewed by the Wayback Machine.

Click the following link for an image documenting the pattern of changes made to one of those 25 cases, Luria v. U.S., 231 U.S. 9 (1913). Notice that the case name "Minor v. Happersett" has been removed, minimizing the case searchability.

The cover-up simply reeks. While Justia owner Tim Stanley told CNET that there were more cases which had also been "mangled," there is no way to identify how much bogus law was published by Justia over the three-year period in question. Minor v. Happersett simply disappeared from cases which cited it, minimizing its footprint on the internet at a critical juncture in history -- the election of 2008.

McCarthy v. Briscoe, 429 U.S. 1317 (1976)

On Nov. 3, 2008, one day before the election, Donofrio petitioned the U.S. Supreme Court to stay the ballots in New Jersey from being used the next day in the case Donofrio v. Wells, claiming that the eligibility of both Obama and McCain had not been verified by the NJ secretary of State as required by law.


In his research, Donofrio had found a reference to McCarthy v. Briscoe, 429 U.S. 1317 (1976), an important precedent which allows the Supreme Court -- or even one justice acting alone if an emergency stay is requested -- to order a secretary of state to insert a name on the ballot. The holding of the case implies a reciprocal power to remove names from ballots for the several secretaries of State, as well as the U.S. Supreme Court.

Back in '08, Donofrio couldn't find the in chambers decision anywhere online. Forced to go old-school, he procured it from a brick-and-mortar law library. But to this day, McCarthy v. Briscoe remains elusive at Justia. If you look in their "Volume" database and click "429," all of the in chambers opinions are mysteriously absent.

In chambers opinions generally begin on pg. 1,301, but not every official volume has them. For example, Volume 428 has no in chambers opinions, but 429, 434, and 439 do. Justia's database for Volumes 434 and 439 do exhibit the in chambers opinions, but Volume 429 has them scrubbed.

If you search Justia's Cases & Opinions by Year in 1976, McCarthy v. Briscoe is listed. There are two cases, an insignificant one-page opinion at page 1,316, followed by the relevant decision on pg. 1,317. There are links to the preview as well as "Full Text." However, all of the links are broken, leading back to Justia's front page.

Additionally, Justia's publication of a following 1977 5th Circuit case, 553 F.2d 1005, includes a hyperlink back to 429 U.S. 1317, and that link is also mysteriously broken.

It would be instructive to track the timeline of changes in the Wayback Machine, but Justia is steadfastly preventing that transparency. Furthermore, if Justia continues its previous pattern, the links (eg: http://supreme.justia.com/us/429/1317/) will be restored upon publication of this article. Take your screenshots now.

Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/...#ixzz1krDEWAGe

This is now fairly well documented. Someone tried to cover up all references to case law concerning "Natural Born Citizen" and eligibility.

Shades of 1984 we now have people rewriting historical legal precedence.

[El Laton Caliente]

http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html#A2Sec1

Article II - The Executive Branch Note
Section 1 - The President Note1 Note2

The executive Power shall be vested in a President of the United States of America. He shall hold his Office during the Term of four Years, and, together with the Vice-President chosen for the same Term, be elected, as follows:

Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress: but no Senator or Representative, or Person holding an Office of Trust or Profit under the United States, shall be appointed an Elector.

(The Electors shall meet in their respective States, and vote by Ballot for two persons, of whom one at least shall not lie an Inhabitant of the same State with themselves. And they shall make a List of all the Persons voted for, and of the Number of Votes for each; which List they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the Seat of the Government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate. The President of the Senate shall, in the Presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the Certificates, and the Votes shall then be counted. The Person having the greatest Number of Votes shall be the President, if such Number be a Majority of the whole Number of Electors appointed; and if there be more than one who have such Majority, and have an equal Number of Votes, then the House of Representatives shall immediately chuse by Ballot one of them for President; and if no Person have a Majority, then from the five highest on the List the said House shall in like Manner chuse the President. But in chusing the President, the Votes shall be taken by States, the Representation from each State having one Vote; a quorum for this Purpose shall consist of a Member or Members from two-thirds of the States, and a Majority of all the States shall be necessary to a Choice. In every Case, after the Choice of the President, the Person having the greatest Number of Votes of the Electors shall be the Vice President. But if there should remain two or more who have equal Votes, the Senate shall chuse from them by Ballot the Vice-President.) (This clause in parentheses was superseded by the 12th Amendment.)

The Congress may determine the Time of chusing the Electors, and the Day on which they shall give their Votes; which Day shall be the same throughout the United States.

No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress....-born-citizen/

The independent ground the Court used to determine that Virginia Minor was a US citizen is stated as follows:

“Additions might always be made to the citizenship of the United States in two ways: first, by birth, and second, by naturalization. This is apparent from the Constitution itself, for it provides that ‘No person except a natural-born citizen or a citizen of the United States at the time of the adoption of the Constitution shall be eligible to the office of President,’ …


“The Constitution does not in words say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that. At common law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners. Some authorities go further and include as citizens children born within the jurisdiction without reference to the citizenship of their parents. As to this class there have been doubts, but never as to the first. For the purposes of this case, it is not necessary to solve these doubts. It is sufficient for everything we have now to consider that all children born of citizen parents within the jurisdiction are themselves citizens. “ (Emphasis added.)

Read that passage very carefully, and you will see that the US Supreme Court clearly defined “natural-born citizen” by two independent remarks:

1. “…all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also.” First, the Court states that these persons are “citizens”. But then it makes a second statement about this class -

2. “These were natives or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners.” This class of citizens are part of a class defined as “natural-born citizens”. They are citizens, natural-born. This distinguishes them from all other citizens. If this were not the case, it would have been sufficient for the Court to stop at the first statement concerning their citizenship.

[Schuetzenman]

If a canditate gives a valid birth proof, there will be no problem putting him on the ballot.

AND......If he cannot......there will be a problem and he should be excluded.

I see no problem with this at all. Cut and dried.....black and white....plain and simple.

I endorse this post as it's exactly what I was thinking. Show a true birth cirtificate and all is over. Obama has not to this date shown a credible cirtificate. First he says one doesn't exist then they show that forgery only because Trump made an issue of it.

[El Laton Caliente]

[Mark Ducati]

The above fake birth certificate video.... I used adobe and took it apart just as they did. I got the above photo directly off the whitehouse's website.

So, why has this not been addressed in the media? I'd have thought at the time, and even now, that this would have been a huge controversy/discussion in the news! But it never was mentioned on dateline/60 minutes/world news tonight/etc... leads me to believe that the higher powers that be have deliberately suppressed this information from reaching the public at large. The only true means of communicating truth is the internet here, and they're working on controlling that too... that's what SOPA is really about.

[O.S.O.K.]

Here's how I see this.

Obummer and his minions and the dimicrat party (and ACORN) are going to do everything to get elected this next cycle including lie cheat and steal - and who knows, knock off a few people.

I have no problem with states demanding that he prove his citizenship. It's their Constitutional right to do so and if enough of them refuse to put his red ass on the ballot because he fails to produce any kind of genuine or valid documentation, fails to explain how and why he qualified as a foriegn national to get his college grant, etc. then you may just see other states demand the same.

Yes, its just the red states at this point, but in time, in time... consitiuencies in the blue states may push for this legally as well.

We want the rat bastard to be spending as much time and money on this as is possible.

God Bless Alabama!!!!

[gpwasr10]

I'm sorry, but this just makes the right look like a bunch of half wits. We pushed this before, and Obama held out for months, getting us all stirred up into a frenzy... only to have him release the Cert and make us all look like inbred retards. If we can FOCUS on the issues (i.e. Why Obama sucks; a seemingly easy task) there will be no need to worry. Also, his mother was an American citizen... doesn't matter if he was born on the fucking moon... the guy is a Citizen (Not a very good one) but according to the letter of the law, he is.

Also, McCain was born in the Canal Zone IIRC, so it's not like he was born here either.

[Warthogg]

Nothing good will come from this.

A few thousand bucks, a friendly judge, Governor, or state Attorney General, in just a few key states and we could never have any president elected again.

Lets see, think I could find Democrats willing to go to court and declare they don't think Newt and Romney are natural born citizens?

.......we could never have any president elected again.

SIGHHHHH.....could we then challenge all the congressional creatures and never elect another one ??

Romney....natural born citizen.....

Romney just might be challengeable. Lot of ties down to Mexico.


Wart

[Warthogg]

I'm sorry, but this just makes the right look like a bunch of half wits. We pushed this before, and Obama held out for months, getting us all stirred up into a frenzy... only to have him release the Cert and make us all look like inbred retards. If we can FOCUS on the issues (i.e. Why Obama sucks; a seemingly easy task) there will be no need to worry. Also, his mother was an American citizen... doesn't matter if he was born on the fucking moon... the guy is a Citizen (Not a very good one) but according to the letter of the law, he is.

Also, McCain was born in the Canal Zone IIRC, so it's not like he was born here either.

I'm sorry, but this just makes the right look like a bunch of half wits.

I would say "half wits" would be an improvement on our performance in electing presidents and congressional creatures since 1932.


Wart

[Warthogg]

God Bless Alabama!!!!

And Rolllll Tide !!


Wart

[ATAK, Inc.]

I'm sorry, but this just makes the right look like a bunch of half wits. We pushed this before, and Obama held out for months, getting us all stirred up into a frenzy... only to have him release the Cert and make us all look like inbred retards. If we can FOCUS on the issues (i.e. Why Obama sucks; a seemingly easy task) there will be no need to worry. Also, his mother was an American citizen... doesn't matter if he was born on the fucking moon... the guy is a Citizen (Not a very good one) but according to the letter of the law, he is.

Also, McCain was born in the Canal Zone IIRC, so it's not like he was born here either.

You need to re-read the law.

AFA McCain goes, look at where he was born.

You are either reading way to into things, or not reading enough.

Wart, words cannot express how your logic is viewed.

[Warthogg]

I mean what do you guys want? A DVD of him shooting......his mom?

YESSSSSS....



Wart