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    Team GunsNet Silver 12/2012 Warthogg's Avatar

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    Quote Originally Posted by alismith View Post
    It is my opinion that too much emphasis is being placed on team work and not enough of self-sufficiency. We are not teaching our children how to be self-reliant.
    If we want our child to move ahead then we must teach our child to be selfish.

    Maybe stinks but there it is.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Warthogg View Post
    Religious instruction ??
    Mostly mathematics and social studies to 4th graders. I specialized in small groups consisting almost exclusively of city kids bussed to county schools (the black kids from shitty districts bussed to good white schools in order to get more federal money).

    Very very personally rewarding work. It was just as one would expect, the kids neither liked me, nor trusted me, nor thought they could do the work. But just like what usually happens, with some attention and once a bit of work is done, followed by a reward (fuzzy animal stickers..paid for from my own pocket) ALL of the kids exceeded expectations.


    Alismith, you make some good points, I do think most of the focus is on self achievement, but there is far far more on team achievement then there once was. Personally I think this is wonderful, it prepares children much better for the real world where the vast majority of people absolutely need to work with others in order to achieve their goals.

    We no longer live in a society of "rugged individualists" (if we ever really in fact did), but in a modern industrial nation where even a real "self made man" really isn't. No billionaire or even millionaire on this planet really did it all on their own. It's done by getting people together to do the jobs, not doing everything yourself.

    It's actually much more important nowadays to be able to do your small part that lets the whole system work, than to hammer out a product all on your own.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mriddick View Post
    If it was really socialism wouldn't the top scorers kill off the initial slackers as a sign to the rest to study?


    Nope, the dedicated slackers get together and kill off the hard workers who start slacking.

    That just accelerates the process of moral and economic bankruptcy.

    See, the problem with lefties like LAGC is that they have Zero Sum brains.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Warthogg View Post
    If we want our child to move ahead then we must teach our child to be selfish.

    Maybe stinks but there it is.


    Wart
    Who needs to teach kids to be selfish? They are naturals. What they need to be taught is self sufficiency. IMHO.

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    Well said Kadmos.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LAGC View Post
    Bullshit. Capitalism and private enterprise has succeeded in concentrating wealth in the hands of a very few select people, ....

    Those few people, through their corporate interests, completely own this government.
    It's a good thing something like that can't happen in a socialists' paradise like North Korea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kadmos View Post
    It's actually much more important nowadays to be able to do your small part that lets the whole system work, than to hammer out a product all on your own.
    BS. Hammer out a product all on your own and sell it. It's better than getting a small reward to enrich a bunch of investors for your intellectual property or hard labor. The system is set up against the individual for the benefit of a few. Many would find greater return for their labor to become as self sufficient as possible in this day and age and build businesses that rewards themselves and their laborers first and then investors afterwards. After WWII it was often this way. It shifted away from that since then. Too bad.

    Sorry for the BS statement Kadmos, but it's how I see things. I do respect your opinions here at GN... I just sometimes don't share them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by btcave View Post
    BS. Hammer out a product all on your own and sell it. It's better than getting a small reward to enrich a bunch of investors for your intellectual property or hard labor. The system is set up against the individual for the benefit of a few. Many would find greater return for their labor to become as self sufficient as possible in this day and age and build businesses that rewards themselves and their laborers first and then investors afterwards. After WWII it was often this way. It shifted away from that since then. Too bad.

    Sorry for the BS statement Kadmos, but it's how I see things. I do respect your opinions here at GN... I just sometimes don't share them.
    No worries. I try to respect everyone's opinion, but rarely share them.

    My point is that the bulk of people make their living using "teamwork". This is just a fact of the modern world. Kids should learn how to work well with others, it's a very important life skill.

    As to whether it's better (more personally fulling, or more lucrative) to hammer out your own thing....it's a personal decision, thing, issue, whatever...it's more of a case by case thing.

    A lot of us would love to live off of solitary hand work and such, making things by ourselves and making a life of it.

    Others would find that type of existence terrifying.

    Personally, I love to spend time on my own, doing things. But I know several people who absolutely hate being alone for even short amounts of time.

    Either way, I think the fact is most people will work mostly on group type projects or efforts, or at least be the small cog in the big machine. And kids need to learn this.

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    LAGC... tell me WHAT my MOTIVATION is to work HARDER rather than SLACK OFF in a communist society where my next door neighbor (who slacks) gets the SAME EXACT benefits I get? Then I look at the Politbureau Komrades being driven around in big Mercedes and living large in 'state owned' residences.
    Only thing I can imagine that would make me want to work harder would be maybe... a threat of harm or death to myself or my family.
    If you want to see the nature of communism look at North Korea, the workers paradise.

    No thanks Buddy... I look will take care of myself, I don't want Big Brother making my decisions for me. The Founding Fathers wanted self-determination.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Warthogg View Post
    If we want our child to move ahead then we must teach our child to be selfish.

    Maybe stinks but there it is.


    Wart
    Actually, it has nothing to do with being selfish; rather more to do with being self-sufficient...being able to accomplish things on your own.

    Some things you need help with, while with others, you can do it by yourself. There's nothing wrong with getting others to help, especially when you know you can't do it alone. The point I was trying to make was that, today, kids are being taught that they need help doing everything, when they really don't. They are learning that doing things alone will guarantee failure.

    Of course, the plus side from being a part of a group (from the liberal mindset) is that if something is done wrong the individual can always shift the blame onto someone else in the group.

    I was taught that when you did something you took the responsibility no matter what the outcome was. If you couldn't do it by yourself, then you got help. If you could do it, then you did it. No problem.

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