Pro-Choice Republicans Warn Party That Contraception Fight Will Be A Disaster

[LAGC]

Pro-choice Republicans are begging their party to drop this fight over contraception before it’s too late. Turning to a discussion about access to birth control will be nothing short of a disaster, they say.

The new and unexpected war over contraception may not end up as only a battle between the White House and the Republican party. It could end up as a fight between the GOP and itself. As we saw during the 2011’s push to defund Planned Parenthood — when some Republican Senators rebuked their colleagues in the House for attacking the organization — Republicans on Capitol Hill do not speak with one voice on matters of women’s health. Now, as Speaker John Boehner seemingly prepares to turn the House GOP’s attention to contraception, pro-choice Republicans are warning that the GOP may become the next Komen For The Cure.

“I think this week’s outrage over the Komen decision should be a warning to the Republican party about how quickly there was a mass outrage over further and further attacks on general women’s health,” Kellie Ferguson, executive director of Republican Majority for choice, told me Wednesday. “You could see the same backlash on attacks on contraception.”

Ferguson calls the Republican rhetoric on contraception “crossing the line” — taking the discussion away from choice issues (where Republicans can find some broader, if still national minority constituency) and into the realm of the fringy extreme.

“For the last number of years, we in the pro-choice community in general — and we specifically as Republicans — have been saying as this pandering to a sort of social conservative faction of voters continues, you’re going to see the line pushed further and further and further,” she said. “And we’re now crossing the line from discussion of when we should regulate abortion to when we should now regulate legal doctor-prescribed medications like birth control, which is woven in the fabric of society as an acceptable medication.”

http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/20...ref=fpnewsfeed

God damn. The Republican leadership is boarding the crazy train, allowing social conservatives to drive this anti-contraception non-sense. There's going to be a BIG backlash from moderates and independents if they really go ahead and push this social conservative sillyness. Just in time for the 2012 election season, too.

Catholic bishops tried to make it an issue last week, but were strongly rebuked by their own church members -- over 98% of all Catholics have used birth control at some point in their lives, despite the church leadership's shrill cries of "baby-killing." It only makes their anti-abortion argument weaker, as they keep crying wolf over routine practice. Same old authoritarian assholes trying to dictate to people what to do in their own bedrooms. Hypocrites have no problem with child rape and pedophilia in their priesthood ranks, but think they are some sort of "authority" on moral values.

And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? -- Matthew 7:3

[mriddick]

So the first only applies to free speech? For years people have worried about the creeping loss of rights, odd how when faced with it they don't recognize it.

[N/A]

[God damn.

Catholic bishops tried to make it an issue last week, but were strongly rebuked by their own church members -- over 98% of all Catholics have used birth control at some point in their lives, despite the church leadership's shrill cries of "baby-killing." It only makes their anti-abortion argument weaker, as they keep crying wolf over routine practice. Same old authoritarian assholes trying to dictate to people what to do in their own bedrooms. Hypocrites have no problem with child rape and pedophilia in their priesthood ranks, but think they are some sort of "authority" on moral values.

And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? -- Matthew 7:3

Ah yes, the little marxist curses someone he doesn't beleive in, quotes a book he doesn't beleive in, and thinks to be an authority himself.

[mriddick]

I have noticed the non christians on the board tend to quote the scriptures more then those who claim they are...

[Ruskiegunlover]

divide and conquer. The left has succeeded in divorcing the christian right from the conservative movement. Only, us Christians never left the party: you atheist, anti-christian fiscals have divorced US. A house divided cannot stand......So the fact that you have abandoned us, and that we no longer stand united, is on YOU and not us. And I believe as a consequence that republicans may not win another presidential election.....or at least for some time.

[Ruskiegunlover]

to add:

I don't know ANY christian conservatives who talk about how they cannot stand the fiscal conservatives in the party. Every christian conservative I know is also a HUGE fiscal conservative......but I know a lot of so called fiscal conservatives who simply hate the christian right (maybe its because we ARE right?) and want nothing to do with it.

So congrats, you atheist fiscals.....have fun. I must be wrong. Surely, the party will be stronger fighting itself along with the communists who want to destroy religion in this country.......

[Dr. Gonzo GED]

You wanna know why Kommen funds Planned Parenthood?

Mamagrams.

They pay for poor women to have access to mamagrams.

Anyone crazy enough to call evil on that shouldn't be in a possition of authority.

Planned Parenthood does a LOT of things that are beneficial to public health. STD testing and treatment, pregnancy tests and prenatal care.

I don't agree with the American Taliban. Neither does america.

LAGC is right for once. Either the GOP steps in to the 21st cetury, or they become obsolete and loose legitimacy. That simple.

[Warthogg]

A house divided cannot stand......

huh.....whatta about a duplex ??


Wart

[imanaknut]

huh.....whatta about a duplex ??


Wart

Wart, a duplex is held together by a common roof!

[5.56NATO]

"I don't agree with the American Taliban. Neither does america."

Here's what you agree with:
http://blackgenocide.org/planned.html
Make sure you look at the pictures. They rip them apart while they're still alive to feel it.
I have to agree, however, that Americans without conscience may find this easy to agree with.

[Tx Dogblaster]

I agree that PP does "some" good as far as mammograms and screening go but for them to receive MY tax dollars to fund abortions is TOTALLY unacceptable. The number of abortions that they perform FAR exceeds the number of mammograms they perform. I wouldn't care if they performed a million mammograms and only 1 abortion, there is no excuse to murder an innocent baby. PERIOD! There are MANY non-profit organizations that help women with breast cancer screenings, support etc that don't receive a single dime of federal $$$.

MY opinion is that the so-called "religeous right" stand by their core beliefs and have remained steady while the Rino's get farther away any moral values and distance themselves to be more appealing from a purely political stand point. The majority of the population considers themselves to be conservative. But since they're not concentrated in mainly densely populated metropolitan areas, they lose a portion of the electoral college representation. I think the elections should be determined by popular vote and NOT the electoral college.

OK, gotta get back to work

[Dr. Gonzo GED]

"I don't agree with the American Taliban. Neither does america."

Here's what you agree with:
http://blackgenocide.org/planned.html

Dude, you don't know what I agree with.

I agree with affordable reproductive healthcare for the public. Pretty sure rampant STD outbreaks would contribute better to genocide than inexpensive condoms and sex ed.

[mriddick]

You wanna know why Kommen funds Planned Parenthood?

Mamagrams.

I heard one of the big issues was PP does not really do all that many if any mamagrams, they take the money and refer women to places where they can get one. Kommen had an agreement for PP to start that PP did not follow through with.

Alhtough issue has little to do with either.

[5.56NATO]

"Dude, you don't know what I agree with."

That may be so but what you're getting with your "support" is what I linked to. You can justify it all you need to, changes nothing.

[Kadmos]

I gotta agree with the premise, talking about banning rubbers or the pill is not going to win the party many votes and is likely to lose a lot.

[Helen Keller]

They should be worrying about bigger things to help the country and stay out of such things as marriage/abortion, what someone decides to do Isn't and shouldn't be any of the governments fucking business.

Like... how the economy is gonna completely fall apart this summer when gas hits over $ 4 a gallon.



Tired of this bullshit.

[Ruskiegunlover]

Most of the Christians that I know are not really against birth control like condoms and the pill....I know I damn sure am not. The only reason outside violence or rape that women need an abortion now is personal irresponsability. Laziness. Conservatives that believe in abortion are, frankly, fake. They are rinos.....you cannot believe in personal responsibility and also think its ok to get an abortion.

But, we will loose this. Our country is not going up, its going down. Has been for some time now. So I accept that the fiscal right wants to leave the moral right.....just about makes it certified that we will continue to loose elections.

But that should make many of you on here happy, like Wart and LAGC.

[stinker]

You wanna know why Kommen funds Planned Parenthood?

Mamagrams.

They pay for poor women to have access to mamagrams.

Anyone crazy enough to call evil on that shouldn't be in a possition of authority.

Planned Parenthood does a LOT of things that are beneficial to public health. STD testing and treatment, pregnancy tests and prenatal care.

The problem with that is that it fails to acknowledge the opportunity costs that are offset by the funding of those mammagrams. The tax funding for those does go to fund abortions reguardless of wether they put it on paper or not.

To elaborate further, citiy governments do the exact same thing all the time. Say for example San Francisco decides it wants to fund police, fire fighters and teachers. Obviously legitimate functions of a city. These would be the legitimate functions the city government was established for in the first place.

Then they also decide they have to dedicate gold statues for all sitting members of city council, subsidies for all locally produced happy fun time whizbangs and the biggest baddest gay pride parade ever seen in the history of man. These are the opportunity costs.

The last three things put them so far over their budget that the city goes broke in one year. Normal people would look at that and ask what needs to go because they don't have enough money. Politicians look to the next level of government above them (the county or state in this case)for additional funding(bailout) for cops,fire fighters and teachers. Who could be against that afterall? If you're against it obviously you want those services to be denied to the people of San Francisco right? The whole time the argument is ignoring the fact that they pissed away their budget on things that were totally not necessary and not even part of the job they were established to do in the first place.

Now apply the same principle to planned parenthood. The mammagram funding offsets the abortion budget by allowing them to shift all their "other" non-tax funding into the "abortion account" leaving the mammagram account underfunded. Now enter the politician. The money given by him allows planned parenthood to continue funding as many abortions as they can perform. If you argue against him he'll just ask you why you want women to die without early detection of breast cancer. Why do you want families to be broken by denying poor little innocent moms the health care they need. Blah blah blah.

Just because the money is going to two different account numbers controlled by the same organization does not separate it because they perform both services at the exact same facility. It's nothing but an accounting trick.

A simpler example is someone blowing their rent money on tattoos and video games then coming to beg and borrow it from you.
They'll cry you a river about how you're not really paying for their tattoos and it'll be so terrible that they'll be kicked out on the streets.
Same crap.

Planned parenthood wants to do their thing...fine. It's legal for now and can't be stopped. There should be absolutely no tax funding for them though.

[Full Otto]

They should be worrying about bigger things to help the country and stay out of such things as marriage/abortion, what someone decides to do Isn't and shouldn't be any of the governments fucking business.

I'd say the government would have liked to have stayed out of those issues but they were brought before them.
It's become the mess it's become ever since.