Am I the only one whos noticed that..

[slamfire51]

Was there supposed to be a point made here?

Just trying to understand your point.
Still working on it.........................

Maybe you missed the comments in your quote, so here they are bigger so you can't miss them.........

Quote Originally Posted by Krupski View Post
(1) Whether another member's view is "liberal" or "conservative" or even "kooky" is really none of your business (or any other member's for that matter).

Gunsnet has always "embraced" (I hate that word) different opinions and viewpoints.

The only person here who has the right to complain about and/or do something about a person's opinion and posts is David. It's his board and he can do whatever he likes.

So, this means there should be no discussion forum??

The rest of us have no "duty", no business and no RIGHT to think that OUR opinion is right and someone else's is wrong (and especially we have no right to harass or flame ANYONE who's opinion we don't like).

So, IYO, trolls (like Joey) get a free rein on telling us our 1st and 2nd Amendments views are wrong??

Members can report posts that they feel are bad, mods and admins are responsible for being sure Gunsnet RULES are not violated. Nobody (and sure as hell not you) has the right to harass anyone because their opinion differs from yours.

I am not aware of any Gunsnet rule that requires members to be "conservatives".

Do you care about the First amendment? The Second amendment? If so then you know what you need to do. If not well then maybe you need some "guidance".........

GUIDANCE?????? If you recall, the UK has neither of those Constitutional Amendments. How dare the Brits tell US not to cherish and exercise them.

Think about it before you post another one-liner worthless insult.

[Krupski]

Just trying to understand your point.
Still working on it.........................

Maybe you missed the comments in your quote, so here they are bigger so you can't miss them.........

Quote Originally Posted by Krupski View Post
(1) Whether another member's view is "liberal" or "conservative" or even "kooky" is really none of your business (or any other member's for that matter).

Gunsnet has always "embraced" (I hate that word) different opinions and viewpoints.

The only person here who has the right to complain about and/or do something about a person's opinion and posts is David. It's his board and he can do whatever he likes.

(1) So, this means there should be no discussion forum??

The rest of us have no "duty", no business and no RIGHT to think that OUR opinion is right and someone else's is wrong (and especially we have no right to harass or flame ANYONE who's opinion we don't like).

(2) So, IYO, trolls (like Joey) get a free rein on telling us our 1st and 2nd Amendments views are wrong??

Members can report posts that they feel are bad, mods and admins are responsible for being sure Gunsnet RULES are not violated. Nobody (and sure as hell not you) has the right to harass anyone because their opinion differs from yours.

I am not aware of any Gunsnet rule that requires members to be "conservatives".

Do you care about the First amendment? The Second amendment? If so then you know what you need to do. If not well then maybe you need some "guidance".........

(3) GUIDANCE?????? If you recall, the UK has neither of those Constitutional Amendments. How dare the Brits tell US not to cherish and exercise them.

Think about it before you post another one-liner worthless insult.

Answers in numerical order:

(1) How do you arrive at that? I said that David is the only one who has the right to tell people to shut up or harass them or ban them for no good reason (not that he WOULD) but since it's his board, it's his prerogative. Whoever said anything about "discussions"? If you think that a member jumping down LAGC's or Kadmos' or anyone else's throat whenever they post is "discussion" then I guess we've identified the problem.

(2) Let's be honest here... A: Joey went out of his way to be a pain in the ass and B: certain members here went out of their way to be a pain in the ass to Joey. I'm not saying Joey is blameless, but he sure as hell is not TOTALLY to blame. My mention about 1A and 2A referred to US (Americans) who should be a notch above others and practice what we preach (i.e. maybe I don't agree but I support your right to say it). CERTAIN members here preach about 1A and 2A, then turn around and harass the members they don't agree with. That's called HYPOCRISY.

(3) Guidance: I was suggesting that certain members HERE needed some guidance, not Joey or any other foreigner.

In closing, let me (hopefully) clarify my point and opinion. I'll use LAGC as an example:

He was "missing" for a while. Don't know why. Whatever. But then minute he comes back he's being insulted with trash talk and hanging noose emoticons (off topic too... unless Jefferson was suggesting physician assisted suicide via noose?).

So several members jump on LAGC like hungry wolves and troll him (violation of GNS rules), then they drag the thread off-topic (another violation) and that's all OK, but instead it's LAGC's fault?

PUHLEASE! You simply cannot say that out loud. Your nose will begin to grow like Pinocchio!

OK, rant off. Let's not fight about this.

[slamfire51]

Answers in numerical order:

(1) How do you arrive at that? I said that David is the only one who has the right to tell people to shut up or harass them or ban them for no good reason (not that he WOULD) but since it's his board, it's his prerogative. Whoever said anything about "discussions"? If you think that a member jumping down LAGC's or Kadmos' or anyone else's throat whenever they post is "discussion" then I guess we've identified the problem.

(2) Let's be honest here... A: Joey went out of his way to be a pain in the ass and B: certain members here went out of their way to be a pain in the ass to Joey. I'm not saying Joey is blameless, but he sure as hell is not TOTALLY to blame. My mention about 1A and 2A referred to US (Americans) who should be a notch above others and practice what we preach (i.e. maybe I don't agree but I support your right to say it). CERTAIN members here preach about 1A and 2A, then turn around and harass the members they don't agree with. That's called HYPOCRISY.

(3) Guidance: I was suggesting that certain members HERE needed some guidance, not Joey or any other foreigner.

In closing, let me (hopefully) clarify my point and opinion. I'll use LAGC as an example:

He was "missing" for a while. Don't know why. Whatever. But then minute he comes back he's being insulted with trash talk and hanging noose emoticons (off topic too... unless Jefferson was suggesting physician assisted suicide via noose?).

So several members jump on LAGC like hungry wolves and troll him (violation of GNS rules), then they drag the thread off-topic (another violation) and that's all OK, but instead it's LAGC's fault?

PUHLEASE! You simply cannot say that out loud. Your nose will begin to grow like Pinocchio!

OK, rant off. Let's not fight about this.

Who's fighting? We're discussing.
I'm just pointing out some of your 'POINTS'.

#1- I think we are mostly civil until another becomes uncivil. I don't think anyone gets jumped on unless they instigate such actions.

#2- I won't tolerate trolls no matter what their country of origin is. You have proven you are a protector of trolls. Joey was to blame from his 1st day posting here. If you can't see that, well..............

#3- LAGC, for example, comes around only when the political environment favors the LEFT. He tries to rub moderate thinkers the wrong way just to get a negative response. You just watch, after the elections and Barry loses the election, he will disappear again. Mark my words.

Once again, WHO'S FIGHTING?

[Guns Network Staff]

Guys our community is what YOU DO WITH IT. People in general (in last 5 years) have got very fickle and lazy in that they want everything provided to them on a silver plate with instructions at a 4th grader reading level. The old timers that are here and those who have joined us since then are our community. Alex finally found our problem that for some reason was hampering our members from coming on board freely.

I would only ask that all members here reach out to all members and help one another like what used to happen on here. If you know of any FOG's elsewhere invite them back.

Seriously nothing here has changed since we have come back online. Shit happened and we moved on. No sense of dwelling on the past. If there will ever be a chance to reclaim our older hard drives, I will do what is right in getting them back in our possession.

I am working on the website for the next 60 days, when time permits me. All I ask is for those of you to help us out in filling up our various weapons forums with info you had previously posted in.

Alex and I will do the rest behind the scenes.

Anyone who knows me knows I am thankful that all of you are here. We just need to step it up a notch, for the kids you know... lol...


David

[old Grump]

People in general (in last 5 years) have got very fickle and lazy in that they want everything provided to them on a silver plate

May I have some windmill cookies with my Ovaltine please.
slamfire51 Super Moderator And Krupski Administrator kind of remind me of an old married couple that got tired of each other but are so used to each other they can't stand to be separated. I like them both but I can't for the life of me see being stuck on a fishing boat in the middle of a large lake for 12 hours with the two together. I would be coming back to shore alone. I think by now most of the newcomers have figured out our squabbling couple are figuratively married and just can't help themselves.

[slamfire51]

May I have some windmill cookies with my Ovaltine please.
slamfire51 Super Moderator And Krupski Administrator kind of remind me of an old married couple that got tired of each other but are so used to each other they can't stand to be separated. I like them both but I can't for the life of me see being stuck on a fishing boat in the middle of a large lake for 12 hours with the two together. I would be coming back to shore alone. I think by now most of the newcomers have figured out our squabbling couple are figuratively married and just can't help themselves.

OG, may I ask what you are drinking tonight? Slack up on it please.
This is, as I recall, the 1st discussion Roger and I have disagreed on.

Drink some strong java before hitting the bed.

[old Grump]

As a matter of fact I am drinking ice water, it is 98 degrees at 11 PM and my AC is broke. I just read the entire thread again and you two are going at it like an old married couple, both right, both wrong and neither will give an inch. Love you both but I recommend a time out and come back in a different thread with a different topic because this is going nowhere.

[slamfire51]

As a matter of fact I am drinking ice water, it is 98 degrees at 11 PM and my AC is broke. I just read the entire thread again and you two are going at it like an old married couple, both right, both wrong and neither will give an inch. Love you both but I recommend a time out and come back in a different thread with a different topic because this is going nowhere.

I was actually done with this thread at 6:49 this evening, until..................

[Nashorn]

The Hell with this thread! Can someone please close it. You all sound like a bunch of old bitches going thru menopause. Get over it and let it go. You sound like the very people you are bitching about who cares let it go. Get a fuckin Life!

[old Grump]

I was actually done with this thread at 6:49 this evening, until..................

Annnnd we are outta here

[Solidus-snake]

Damn, I had no idea this thread would stir up so much emotions.

Was not my intent

[LAGC]

#3- LAGC, for example, comes around only when the political environment favors the LEFT. He tries to rub moderate thinkers the wrong way just to get a negative response. You just watch, after the elections and Barry loses the election, he will disappear again. Mark my words.

Are you kidding? I wouldn't miss the post-election fall-out around these parts for the world, ESPECIALLY if Rmoney somehow wins, which he very well may, only because of unlimited corporate cash pouring in, courtesy of the 5-4 Republican SCOTUS in the Citizens United decision.

All the idiots who vote for him thinking he will act like a true conservative once elected, just to see the Massachusetts Moderate show his true colors and betray them from Day 1.

He claims he will veto Obama/RomneyCare from Day 1. He won't. Just wait and see.

Many claim he will elect pro-gun judges. He won't, just as he didn't when he was governor. Just wait and see.

We haven't had this left-leaning of a Republican running since Richard Nixon.

You thought people around here were critical of Bush during his second term for being "too moderate", just wait till Daddy Warbucks starts governing next year...

[old Grump]

The world has officially come to an ignominious end, I agree with LAGC. Heaven help us all. Better be on humdinger of a write in campaign for Ron Paul or we is doomed.

[N/A]

That's not true and you know it. I always stick around to defend my positions, unless someone else says what I'm thinking for me.

But you know what? Fine. You win.

I'm going to take a break from this board for awhile. Not because I'm knuckling under to your "troll" accusations, but because I'm leaving in a few weeks to attend summer school up in Montana. I won't have Internet access up there, as this retreat is out in the sticks next to a beautiful lake. I'm just going to take in nature for a few months and unplug.

I'll check back in September, and if indeed you guys all think the board has fared better off without me, I won't come back. I just hope this board doesn't devolve into a bunch of racist far-right-wing crap as happened many years ago. It's bad enough with all the "Amish Yute" threads as it is...

Have fun.

Damn, September came early this year...well, so much for keeping your athiest, socialist, marxist word, huh?

[Solidus-snake]

And you seriously think your Obama messiah is gonna do any better?