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    Question Cylinder won't rotate

    Picked up a pretty nice looking S&W K-22 Target Masterpiece some time back and the cylinder would hang up more times than not in both SA and DA mode. Removed the side plate and didn't see anything broken. Took it completely apart, put it back together and now the cylinder won't rotate at all.

    There's a good chance I reinstalled something wrong but could that same thing have been partially wrong before I messed with it? TIA
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    Sounds like the pawl (the little arm that pushes up the back of the cylinder to rotate it) might have been worn to start with. The difference between that pawl working properly or not is .0000 of an inch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jojo View Post
    Sounds like the pawl (the little arm that pushes up the back of the cylinder to rotate it) might have been worn to start with. The difference between that pawl working properly or not is .0000 of an inch.
    Yep some times when some one flips it closed it will actually pean them over But first check the grip maybe the spring is catching

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    Is this one of those kit guns?I take it that it won't spin empty?
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    Quote Originally Posted by abpt1 View Post
    Yep some times when some one flips it closed it will actually pean them over But first check the grip maybe the spring is catching

    You mean with just one hand and closing the cylinder in a jerking or snapping movement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aliceinchains View Post
    You mean with just one hand and closing the cylinder in a jerking or snapping movement.
    yep and it hard on the crane ..

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    Quote Originally Posted by aliceinchains View Post
    You mean with just one hand and closing the cylinder in a jerking or snapping movement.
    That's an invitation to an ass chewing at a minimum around me... Hard on the crane, etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by awp101 View Post
    That's an invitation to an ass chewing at a minimum around me... Hard on the crane, etc.

    You just simmer down. LOL!
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    Simmer down? I found out today my wife's car needs between $4K and $5K in work. I CAN'T simmer down...

    I need more coffee....
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    So here is the question. What is the best way for Richard to fix his problem. Buy a new pawl from factory?
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    That's where I'd start. Can you cock the hammer? Does it cock but the cylinder just doesn't rotate?
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    The cylinder will not rotate either by pulling the trigger or cocking the hammer. Would it be safe to assume that a new hand would not be a drop in proposition but rather, would require fitting?
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    Quote Originally Posted by AKTexas View Post
    Is this one of those kit guns?I take it that it won't spin empty?

    No, not a kit gun.

    Mine (made in 1952) is nearly identical to this one
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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard Simmons View Post
    Would it be safe to assume that a new hand would not be a drop in proposition but rather, would require fitting?
    Correct. I'd seriously consider hitting the S&W Forum for a good S&W 'smith. IIRC Noah Zark is a Mod over there now.

    If nothing else, it's worth having it looked to to see WHY the hand failed. Simple part failure due to wear or perhaps something else internally causing the hand to wear improperly. I've only been inside a couple and it's been too long ago to remember for sure what interacts with what. I might have a copy of the Kuhnhausen book on Smith revolvers. If I do, I'll have a look see this weekend to see if it addresses any of this.
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    Couldn't stand it anymore, I had to see if I had the S&W book and I do. I scanned the trouble shooting list for a non-rotating cylinder and the two parts that seem to affect it: the cylinder stop and hand.


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    Thank you. I'm wondering if S&W will still work on this year/model? I've also got a 38/44 Heavy Duty, Model of 1950 that needs some end shake taken out of it. Suppose I could call S&W and maybe send them both off for work.
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    It's worth a shot...errr, I mean call. If they ask you to send it in, I'd make it crystal clear you want them back if they can't fix them.
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    I am sure they would have you talk to a technician and go from there before you even sent them in.
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    Joining the thread late, but I just worked on a S&W 29 DX for a friend that had two issues: The cylinder would not rotate, and the cylinder/crane assembly would not tip out of the frame.

    The assembly unlatch problem was due to the ejector rod backing out and surrounding the front latch pin. I used a jeweler's screwdriver to depress the front latch pin while pushing the cylinder release button forward, then cleaned oil off the ejector rod threads and tightened it up.

    The cylinder non-rotation issue was due to 1200 years of accumulated burned powder residue fouling the gas seal area at the front of the cylinder. A thorough cleaning and proper lubing took care of that one.

    Mechanically, if a S&W cylinder won't rotate, in my experience it's been the hand hanging up, or the hand spring bent or broken, or the cylinder stop spring is not seated properly and not retracting when the hammer is cocked or trigger pulled.

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    If the cylinder can't rotate the cylinder stop must be engaged in one of the cycliner notches. I'd check that out as somehow it must be shoved up all the time. Should only be up when the hammer is cocked. Incomplete rotation would be the pawl being worn down IMO as stated earlier.

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